My theory about Rinne Tensei mechanics

[KCMNaruto]

Hello, I would like to share my opinion on this topic

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The Rinne Tensei probably is dependent on how long someone has been dead and numbers of dead people you want to ressurect.People who've been dead for awhile would require a large amount of chakra compared to someone who just died, more person you want to revive ,more amount of chakra it cost.
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#1. Kishi didn't make error with Rinne Tensei , I will explain mechanics of Rinne Tensei jutsu's mechanics as I see it.

Assumptions:

1. To use full potential of Rinnengan, you have to have Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body.(Madara, Obito)
2. These who does'nt have Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body can't use full potential of Rinnengan (Nagato)
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Let's assume:

Incomplete Rinnengan user= Transplanted Rinnengan(with Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA):

1. Each day passed from your death is equal to 1 point of chakra.
2. Number points of chakra is equal to number of dead people who you ressurect with Rinne Tensei with one day passed from their death.
3. Each person with one day passed from their death equal is 1 chakra point.

Complete Rinnengan user= Orginal user(with Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA):

1. Each week passed from your death is equal to 1 point of chakra.
2. Number points of chakra is equal to number of dead people who you ressurect with Rinne Tensei with one day passed from their death.
3. Each person with week passed from their death equal is 1 chakra point.

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Rinnengan power is based on:

- power
- usage(comming with expierience)
- versality

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Mastery over limited Rinnengan jutsu arsenal with great versality

Avaliable for: Transplanted users(Nagato, Obito) and orginal users(Madara,SOSP)

- Full Potential of Rinnengan power and unlimited Rinnengan jutsu arsenal

Avaliable for: only orginal users(Madara,SOSP)

In other words, although Nagato has great mastery over Rinnengan jutsu, power of these techniques was limited as well as amount of Rinnengan jutsu. Nagato has a lot of expierience with using Rinnengan jutsu, but he was still limited, because these weren;t his orginal eyes, same with Obito , but he lacks expierience extra(that why he is worse at using Rinnengan, ), but thanks to Madara, his power of more limited than Nagato's Rinnengan jutsu arsenal are greater thank power of Nagato.

Example: Obito Outer path> Nagato outer path

Madara lack expierience with usage of Rinnengan, but as original user he has potential to use ulimited amount of Rinnegan jutsu's, as well as power of his jutsu would be at maximum power, so Madara has little knowledge about Rinnegan jutsu(outer path and Preta path only ), but still his jutsu so on entiere new level


Sage of six paths- original user with great amount of expierence = The best Rinnengan user, simple


Remember: Rinnengan allows one to use any jutsu he wants , then why Nagato didn't use any jutsu, Plot no jutsu to not kill Naruto then, maybe but I am more than sure only orginal wielder of Rinnengan can unlock full potential of Rinnegan power and versality of jutsu(arsenal) .

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Formuła of Rinne Tensei: RT= T*N

RT- Rinne Tensei
T- Time passed from death(1 point of chakra=1 day)
N- number of dead people

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Let's Analyze then situation of Nagato

For example Full power Nagato has 300 points of chakra. After using his chakra in fight against Konoha, then Sage mode Naruto, Kyuubi possesed Naruto Nagato was left with around 25 points of chakra.

Now if from everyone's deaths who died, in Konoha passed below than one day.(Let's assume it was 6 hours) ,(6 hours of 24 hours=1 day).

1/4*100=600/24=25

Result is 25 points of chakra costed Nagato to ressurect 100 konoha shinobi with six hours passed from their death.

But because Nagato has 25 chakra points, he died.

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Now let's discuss about Revival of Madara

Let's say Current full power Obito has 200 chakra points, but thanks to Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA in one body.

Each dead person with one week passed from their death cost - 1 chakra point. Remember Uchiha clan has powerfull spiritual energy so maybe one point of their chakra is equal to 7 points of normal ninja's chakra .

If from Madara's death passed 20 years., then RT = 1*4*14*20*1= 1120 chakra points

Conclusion: Obito doesn't have enough chakra to Revive Madara...

Madara may have 400 chakra points, but it could be still not enough.

Gyuuki(Hachibi) coul have 400 chakra points at full power, so with Killer Bee(100 chakra points), 400+100=500 chakra points

Let's assume Kurama has 800 chakra points at full power, and current Naruto in Bijuu mode has 600 chakra points(400 half of kurama's + 200 Naruto's), so it still could be not enough to work.

600<1120

Naruto Bijuu mode max potential power has potential to get (800+200 =1000 chakra points), still could be not enough

1000<1120

That's when Juubi come handy

Juubi first form - 800 chakra point

Juubi second form - 1200 chakra points

Juubi last form - infinite chakra points

Obito connected to Juubi could ressurect Madara and probably lives on, but maybe one of mechanic of Rinne Tensei is that you have to have more than enough amount chakra to survive without dying. In other words, Obito could ressurect Madara with external source of chakra(Juubi) but his own ammount of chakra couldn't be enough so he would die after process.

Obito + Juubi second form= 1400 points

Remember that Madara's revival could cost 1120 chakra points to work, so Obito with Juubi second form will have more than enough

1400>1120 (Madara ressurection will work) 200<1120(user of Rinne Tensi will die after process)

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Summary: Number of dead people you want to revive and time passed from death depend on your amount chakra, making revival possible when it is enough and impossible when it is not enough

I hope you get what I tried to explain
I know I used many assumptions, but I tried my best to explain my theory about working of Rinne Tensei.

Nevertheles it could go agree with:

1. Konan's statment in manga about Nagato's amount of chakra not be enough to ressurect them and live on.

2. Nagato's statment that there is still time to ressurect people in Konoha.

3. Madara statment that he could be ressurected with Rinne Tensei.

Do you agree with my theory or not ?

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My thoughts:

- Sage of six paths in his prime before Juubi could have 800 chakra points

- Obito or Madara as Jyuubi perfect form jinchurki could ressurect even Sage of six paths(due to Juubi's infinite amount of chakra )

- About Yahiko, it could be tha Nagato wanted to follow his own way to reach peace, or due to Six paths of pain, he modified body of Yahiko, so he couldn't ressurect him even if he has enough amount of chakra.


Let's imagine Sage of six paths COAT + Rinne Tensei= Total ressurection of any number of people

Creation of all things(create you new body), Rinne Tensei(ressurect you to your new body created by COAT)

 

[-immortal-]

Rinne Tensei :
is Reviving people from death

 

[AMIIIT]

Rinne Tensei :
is Reviving people from death

/thread.

 

[Souji]

Wow. A lot of thought went into this, huh? Good job!

 

[KCMNaruto]

Rinne Tensei :
is Reviving people from death

I know it, but I would like if you read my theory instead of making fun of it .__.

 

[deva pein]

Where the f*ck are you getting chakra points and shit?? You are just making it up.

 

[KCMNaruto]

/thread.

Very funny, next time please ready my theory before posting ;/, save your time if you don't want to read it.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Wow. A lot of thought went into this, huh? Good job!

Thanks a lot

 

[Lentz]

Where the f*ck are you getting chakra points and shit?? You are just making it up.

... -.-'

 

[KCMNaruto]

Where the f*ck are you getting chakra points and shit?? You are just making it up.

Yeah I know these chakra points are assumptions, but in general I wanted to said by this thread that:

The Rinne Tensei probably is dependent on how long someone has been dead and numbers of dead people you want to ressurect.People who've been dead for awhile would require a large amount of chakra compared to someone who just died, more person you want to revive ,more amount of chakra it cost.

and I think it could make sense, and explain a lot.

but numbers are random, only used to explain , I hope you understand

 

[Da Best Ever]

your wrong Nagato has senju dna he is a member of the uzumaki clan which are descendants of senju clan which means he has senju lineage, and he didn't need to be an uchiha because he got the eyes from an uchiha aka madara and Nagato used the tech to bring back almost konoha's entire population so how can he not use it to its potential plus he's the only one who has used all the rinne techniques and so efficiently that he could use the simultaneously

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Yeah that was what I was thinking. The way Konan sounded when Nagato used Rinne Tensei made it seem as though it was simply him having no chakra. That means one can live from it....so in this situation the ammount of time passing from the person's death causes more chakra to be needed...of course it can still be used except it costs the user his/her life.

With that thought it is entirely possible then that After bringing Madara back, Madara could just bring back Obito who only died a second ago; however, I feel Madara isn't planning to do such a thing!

 

[KCMNaruto]

If Anyone disagree with me please explain why , why it could not work ? and if you have time please write your thought about how Rinne Tensei jutsu works ,

Please share with me your theory if you disagree

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yeah that was what I was thinking. The way Konan sounded when Nagato used Rinne Tensei made it seem as though it was simply him having no chakra. That means one can live from it....so in this situation the ammount of time passing from the person's death causes more chakra to be needed...of course it can still be used except it costs the user his/her life.

With that thought it is entirely possible then that After bringing Madara back, Madara could just bring back Obito who only died a second ago; however, I feel Madara isn't planning to do such a thing!

Thanks a lot , do not forget that Rinne Tensei depend on number of dead people you wand to revive as well as amount of time passed from death , thanks

 

[Da Best Ever]

the user will always die no matter how much chakra they have, the amount of chakra affects the amount of people despite nagato having fought narauto destroying konoha and fighting tailed beast he still had a large amount of chakra so much so that he revived everyone he just killed, and konan said his chakra was low for the task knowing nagato would try to revive everyone and or she could have said that just so he wouldn't do knowing he would die

 

[KCMNaruto]

your wrong Nagato has senju dna he is a member of the uzumaki clan which are descendants of senju clan which means he has senju lineage, and he didn't need to be an uchiha because he got the eyes from an uchiha aka madara and Nagato used the tech to bring back almost konoha's entire population so how can he not use it to its potential plus he's the only one who has used all the rinne techniques and so efficiently that he could use the simultaneously

You have point man , although I agree with Nagato has Senjuu DNA (he is Uzumaki, who are distantly related to Senjuu clan by blood), maybe he has Uchiha DNA as well, but these Rinnengan are transplanted. It could make me change my theory a little.

So let's say:

Complete Rinnengan user= Orginal user(with Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA)

Incomplete Rinnengan user= Transplanted Rinnengan(with Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA)

charactersitics of Rinnengan:

- Mastery over limited Rinnengan jutsu arsenal with great versality

Avaliable for: Transplanted users(Nagato, Obito) and orginal users(Madara,SOSP)

- Full Potential of Rinnengan power and unlimited Rinnengan jutsu arsenal

Avaliable for: only orginal users(Madara,SOSP)

In other words, although Nagato has great mastery over Rinnengan jutsu, power of these techniques was limited as well as amount of Rinnengan jutsu. Nagato has a lot of expierience with using Rinnengan jutsu, but he was still limited, because these weren;t his orginal eyes, same with Obito , but he lacks expierience extra(that why he is worse at using Rinnengan, ), but thanks to Madara, his power of more limited than Nagato's Rinnengan jutsu arsenal are greater thank power of Nagato.

Example: Obito Outer path> Nagato outer path

Madara lack expierience with usage of Rinnengan, but as original user he has potential to use ulimited amount of Rinnegan jutsu's, as well as power of his jutsu would be at maximum power, so Madara has little knowledge about Rinnegan jutsu(outer path and Preta path only ), but still his jutsu so on entiere new level


Sage of six paths- original user with great amount of expierence = The best Rinnengan user, simple


Remember: Rinnengan allows one to use any jutsu he wants , then why Nagato didn't use any jutsu, Plot no jutsu to not kill Naruto then, maybe but I am more than sure only orginal wielder of Rinnengan can unlock full potential of Rinnegan power and versality of jutsu(arsenal)

huh, quite a long text , I hope you understand what I tried to say

 

[Waltz]

Too far fetched.

What you've stated has never been implied before, though i give you credit for your work. Apparently your theory is solely based on clearing up and justifying statements made by Madara, Konan and Nagato respectively. When konan made that statement bear in mind it was directly after he invaded konoha and exerted much chakra on things like Chou shinra tensei and the other paths respectively. He then pushed himself to the limit by using Chibaku tensei on Naruto. Konan's Statement is based on Pure speculation being that she was simply reciting hear-say/traditional legend here:

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Her actual statement (thought) :

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Was also not based on Rinnengan Facts but what she assumed Nagato was capable of with his chakra levels at them time.

When Nagato stated that there is still time to save the people of konoha:

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Note: "Its least i can do"

From reading your theory Denotes this to mean: "The longer they stay dead, the more chakra it will require to revive them. Hence, he revived them before they "Cost too many chakra points"."

Thats not what is implied. Nagato knew he was going to die, he was already malnourished and low on chakra and at that rate he would die, hence the inscription "Nagato's last moments" before he even used the jutsu fully:

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Pertaining to Madara's and Obito's statements, What Obito stated about sacrificing his life to revive Madara confirms the belief that the sole requirement for using Gedo Renne Tensei is the users life, just like DDS or the Reverse 4 symbol's seal for example. Madara's and Obito's explanation of the techniques requirements over-rides Konan's false statement about chakra consumption being that i've already proven it was a judgement off of speculation and not fact.

 

[KCMNaruto]

the user will always die no matter how much chakra they have, the amount of chakra affects the amount of people despite nagato having fought narauto destroying konoha and fighting tailed beast he still had a large amount of chakra so much so that he revived everyone he just killed, and konan said his chakra was low for the task knowing nagato would try to revive everyone and or she could have said that just so he wouldn't do knowing he would die

disagree, this power of almighty Rinnengan simple. Konan wouldn't say that if it didn't be true, it doesn't make sense ;(
One could Say that Nagato could wait until his chakra was restored, but Kishi didn't want Nagato anymore in manga, so he didn't plan him to live on. Besides more Nagato could wait, more time could passed from Konoha shinobi death, so he could still die, but Yahiko could be still out of Rinne Tensei range with full amount of chakra Nagato has.

That when Bijuu come handy, with their amount of chakra, you can revive someone who died long time ago, maybe even more than one person.

With Juubi last form(unlimited chakra), you could simply revive any number of people, who died at any time in past, that simple

 

[KCMNaruto]

Too far fetched.

What you've stated has never been implied before, though i give you credit for your work. Apparently your theory is solely based on clearing up and justifying statements made by Madara, Konan and Nagato respectively. When konan made that statement bear in mind it was directly after he invaded konoha and exerted much chakra on things like Chou shinra tensei and the other paths respectively. He then pushed himself to the limit by using Chibaku tensei on Naruto. Konan's Statement is based on Pure speculation being that she was simply reciting hear-say/traditional legend here:

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Her actual statement (thought) :

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Was also not based on Rinnengan Facts but what she assumed Nagato was capable of with his chakra levels at them time.

When Nagato stated that there is still time to save the people of konoha:

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Note: "Its least i can do"

From reading your theory Denotes this to mean: "The longer they stay dead, the more chakra it will require to revive them. Hence, he revived them before they "Cost too many chakra points"."

Thats not what is implied. Nagato knew he was going to die, he was already malnourished and low on chakra and at that rate he would die, hence the inscription "Nagato's last moments" before he even used the jutsu fully:

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Pertaining to Madara's and Obito's statements, What Obito stated about sacrificing his life to revive Madara confirms the belief that the sole requirement for using Gedo Renne Tensei is the users life, just like DDS or the Reverse 4 symbol's seal for example. Madara's and Obito's explanation of the techniques requirements over-rides Konan's false statement about chakra consumption being that i've already proven it was a judgement off of speculation and not fact.

Maybe You are right..., hmm I respect your opinion and give you credit for explaining me but I will stick with my theory until Kishi explains it in databook or when Obito use Rinne Tensei

Btw. Do you think if Sage of six paths (master and orginal wielder of Rinnengan, maybe Senjutsu) use Rinne Tensei on someone who died long time ago, he would die

or If Sage of six paths as juubi jinchurki use Rinne Tensei, could he still die ?, I don't think so.


Anyway:

Your explanation doesn't contradict my whole theory, because chakra points required to revive someone could be still right, but only after user independently from amount of chakra could die, Could be that true ?

 

[KCMNaruto]

@PuppyDogGeneral , I have question to you

If you think user of Rinne Tensei died after using this jutsu, than

Do you think Rinne Tensei is not dependant on numbers of people and time passed from death of people you want to revive ?

So your chakra amount is not important, Rinne Tensei will always revive what you wanted in exchange of your life.

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I just thought about Obito using Rinne Tensei on Madara, maybe I am still right. You could ask me why ?

As you read my theory , please remeber I said that Obito using Juubi could revive Madara, and lives on.

It could be true, but maybe Madara simply doesn't want to waste most of Juubi chakra to revive himself, leaving Obito alive.

Maybe Obito is simply unecessary for Madara after he will be resurected by Obito. It could weaken Juubi a lot, so maybe Obito didn't consider this as option, because Moon eye of plan could not work and For Madara , we don't know his true aim but Juubi could be too weak to reach Madara aim.

It could be answer, anyway until Kishi come with his explanation anything is possibe until it doesn't contradict manga statements or characters