[part 1] This is my first thread so i wont like to make a fool abt myself so i will be given my own theory with prove to back them up. First let me start with [madara] there av been argument madard is tobi or not but this is what i tink. Madara was said to av fought the 1st and 'died' but y is he alive my answer i [zanagi] madara was said to be the most gifted of all uchiha so is possible he had d abillty to copy blood line limit [but am not certain] during the fite wit d 1st he did find a away to copy d 1st ability, that must av made the 1st use his full force to bring him down but then madara cud use izangi. During the fite btw sasuske and danzo i noticed sumthing anytime danzo was killed it took him 60sec to remain died then the reality turns to illusion [prove anime 210 karin actually counted the time when sasuske killed danzo and it was exactly 60sec] during the fite wit d 1st madara must av extended that 60sec to like a 2 or 3mins delay that must av been a enough time to covince the 1st that madara was died [prove in anime 210 madara said the duration of izangi was different btw different user and madara being the most gifted among the uchiha and being a full uchiha with full control off 1st power would count for sumting]