My take on Nagato's eyes and Tobi being Obito
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So why does Madara know Nagato by name?
Hmm perhaps, but it still wouldn't explain how the current Tobi is known by Madara.
If Zetsu was once Tobi, Maybe Madara died before Zetsu found Obito and made him Tobi. What if the Tobi Madara knew was Zetsu. Obito would know so much about Madara from Zetsu.
On the other hand.... If there is only one Tobi. The key(or person who connects them to each other) is Zetsu.
I believe in whatever the outcome is, Zetsu has a huge part to play.
The God of Wind
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They didnt deduce anything from Madaras corpse. Orochimaru was gathering information on the Akatsuki from the inside.
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A ninja of Orochimaru's level who wanted to gather all the information in the world and learn every jutsu would certainly be capable.
Basically, over years of gathering data, they figured out that Mangekyo Sharingan meets Senju cells and creates Rinnegan.
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And this here is why Madara can use the Rinnegan:
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Yes, that made me so happy, hopefully it's the first of many for them
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The Hidden Shinobi
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I used to have this deep ass Kagami theory.
I believed that Kagami helped Danzo form Root.
See there was one thing connecting Tobi to Root and that was Tobi controlling the Mizukage. Here's a quote from the Naruto wiki and it holds a lot of truth.
"Danzō has also trained its members to lose their emotions by growing up as brothers from a young age, only to later be made to kill each other. This is done to kill any sense of sentiment or emotional attachment. This method was extremely similar, if not identical, to the Kirigakure Academy's former graduation test"
This similar practice, as stated, was implemented in Kirigakure by Yagura. Of course, as we all know, Yagura was manipulated by Tobi. In my opinion, Tobi controlled Yagura to accomplish 3 things
1. Destabilize Kirigakure to a point where it will collapse
2. Gain followers for the Eye of the Moon plan. He gained Kisame.
3. Capture the 3 tails.
There are also similarities with Tobi and Root. Mainly his personality, like how he says he's no one. Every member has code names. Tobi itself is a code name. Every single member of Root was emotionless. Tobi himself isn't what you would describe as emotionless. He is what you would describe as a nihilist. Who better than a nihilist than to implement the doctrines of Root?
Also, Tobi being in Root, or having a connection with Danzo, would explain Tobi knowing the time and place of Kushina's birth.
I believed that Kagami helped Danzo form Root.
See there was one thing connecting Tobi to Root and that was Tobi controlling the Mizukage. Here's a quote from the Naruto wiki and it holds a lot of truth.
"Danzō has also trained its members to lose their emotions by growing up as brothers from a young age, only to later be made to kill each other. This is done to kill any sense of sentiment or emotional attachment. This method was extremely similar, if not identical, to the Kirigakure Academy's former graduation test"
This similar practice, as stated, was implemented in Kirigakure by Yagura. Of course, as we all know, Yagura was manipulated by Tobi. In my opinion, Tobi controlled Yagura to accomplish 3 things
1. Destabilize Kirigakure to a point where it will collapse
2. Gain followers for the Eye of the Moon plan. He gained Kisame.
3. Capture the 3 tails.
There are also similarities with Tobi and Root. Mainly his personality, like how he says he's no one. Every member has code names. Tobi itself is a code name. Every single member of Root was emotionless. Tobi himself isn't what you would describe as emotionless. He is what you would describe as a nihilist. Who better than a nihilist than to implement the doctrines of Root?
Also, Tobi being in Root, or having a connection with Danzo, would explain Tobi knowing the time and place of Kushina's birth.
The problem is that most of our information is coming from a known liar. Tobi said he(Madara) gave Nagato the rinnegan, but he also claimed to have nothing to do with the fox attack on Naruto's birth. I have no doubts the "current" Tobi is Obito. If it was someone else possessing him, they would have no reason to throw as many personal insults to Kakashi as he did. How Nagato got the rinnegan and how long Madara lived is still an open question.
There's still some things I think we need to learn more about, like Nagato looks a lot like Madara and I don't think it's accidental plus we still don't know much about Mito or Tobirama. We're still in the dark, we need to wait for more info.
There's still some things I think we need to learn more about, like Nagato looks a lot like Madara and I don't think it's accidental plus we still don't know much about Mito or Tobirama. We're still in the dark, we need to wait for more info.
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The thing is, Madara dying shortly after awakening the Rinnegan came out of Madara's own mouth.
We know that but everything else about Madara is still a mystery. We know nothing about his fight with Hashirama, how he survived, where he was hiding after he was beat and what he was doing, how he achieved rinnegan or how he died. Plus we still have "them" who Sasuke and Oro are going to meet, and how Rin died. Everything we've learned is probably still only the tip of the iceberg.
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KidGamer65
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So basically Madara could not have died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan since he would have to give Nagato his eyes but then he would not know who Tobi is since Obito wasn't even born at that time. Quite a perplexing contradiction I suppose. I am truly baffled as well.
serpiente clan
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this info explain so much about this edo)
this madara is i creation of orochimaru that is what kabuto is saying this madara is i fusion of hashirama and madara.... so the madara ho die is super weak compere to this madara.........
MissShakra
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i think Tobi is either a current split Madara that needed a new vessel because edo madara finally died or Izuna didnt die and adopted "Tobi" to get back at his brother, the Uchiha, Leaf, etc to fulfill the moon eye plan. I think Izuna agreed to help his brother out after finding out each other was still alive but somewhere in there Izuna really had an ulterior motive of using the moons eye plan to take over the world and create peace, rather than destroy world or take it over or whatever Madara's intentions were. I think though that Obito's body comes into play, because either Madara split or Izuna needed a new vessel (Madara and Oro worked together so it could very well be Obito is just a vessel of sort for one of the Uchiha's). This would explain (roughly and vaguely) how Obito is Tobi, and how he knows what he knows about the leaf, how he knows about literally everybody...or the parasite idea is true and he like idk, obtains the memories of the vessels he uses or of the people he kills or something?? anyways though im sure theres problems with this but its just my idea...
