Basically, I was looking through the manga and there are certain things which I feel just do not fit together, especially in the wake of 599's "revelation". If you see any flaws in my reasoning/logic, feel free to point them out.
So what do we know about Nagato's eyes?
Now, the manga certainly makes out that Nagato's eyes were indeed transplanted. How? Well;
So if Madara and Tobi do indeed know eachother, which has been pretty much 100% confirmed, and Tobi is Obito, how can Madara have given Nagato the Rinnegan? Madara died shortly after awakening the eyes, and Nagato was taught by a Jiraiya in his mid twenties - A man who taught a young Minato who then taught Obito. It just cannot fit. Then again, Madara
Essentially, I believe that it's impossible for Tobi to be Obito in mind and soul if Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, since Tobi and Madara are familiar with eachother. One could say that Nagato really did awaken the Rinnegan (though that presents a problem in itself since that'd be like saying you can awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan without awakening the 3 tomoe first), though this goes against overwhelming evidence in the manga. This stance, however, does allow for Tobi being Obito. The other route is that Madara really did give Nagato the Rinnegan, but that'd mean that Tobi is someone who was born before that time (because he and Madara know eachother and Madara should've died then) - he could not be Obito; rather, someone using Obito's body as a vessel.
To summarize: 'Tobi is Obito (in mind and body)' and 'Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan' are two mutually exclusive statements; they can't both be true at the same time.
Thoughts? Because, quite frankly, i'm stumped.
So what do we know about Nagato's eyes?
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that he was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan during his battle with Konan. What's important to note here is that Tobi was pretending to be the real Madara Uchiha when he said this, as confirmed
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.Now, the manga certainly makes out that Nagato's eyes were indeed transplanted. How? Well;
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- Nagato did not show the ability to switch his dojutsu off, even after his
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his death - it's only logical to assume that if Madara really did give Nagato his eyes, he would've died around that time (2nd shinobi war), no? The problem here is, Kishimoto himself confirmed that Madara and Tobi know eachother; if Tobi really is Obito, Madara would've had to at least of lived until the 3rd shinobi war. There are also points in the manga which suggest that Madara is aware of Tobi;
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and having knowledge of
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etc.So if Madara and Tobi do indeed know eachother, which has been pretty much 100% confirmed, and Tobi is Obito, how can Madara have given Nagato the Rinnegan? Madara died shortly after awakening the eyes, and Nagato was taught by a Jiraiya in his mid twenties - A man who taught a young Minato who then taught Obito. It just cannot fit. Then again, Madara
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by name, which again gives the impression that his eyes were implanted so that the young Uzumaki boy could one day revive him with Rinne Tensei. But another issue which arises is the idea that there were two Tobis. I find it hard to believe that Obito, who received a 1 in intelligence in the databooks, could've planned everything alone. Then there's also the mysterious
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who met Itachi, a man who many members believe to be the real Madara Uchiha. After all, this is a visual manga and visual things (like haircuts) are clues left to us by Kishimoto - characters don't just randomly change things like that. Even look at his posture; it certainly resembles that of Madara. But again, ask yourself, how can Madara be alive at this time (Uchiha clan Massacre) if he died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan, a Rinnegan "given to Nagato" years before that?Essentially, I believe that it's impossible for Tobi to be Obito in mind and soul if Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, since Tobi and Madara are familiar with eachother. One could say that Nagato really did awaken the Rinnegan (though that presents a problem in itself since that'd be like saying you can awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan without awakening the 3 tomoe first), though this goes against overwhelming evidence in the manga. This stance, however, does allow for Tobi being Obito. The other route is that Madara really did give Nagato the Rinnegan, but that'd mean that Tobi is someone who was born before that time (because he and Madara know eachother and Madara should've died then) - he could not be Obito; rather, someone using Obito's body as a vessel.
To summarize: 'Tobi is Obito (in mind and body)' and 'Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan' are two mutually exclusive statements; they can't both be true at the same time.
Thoughts? Because, quite frankly, i'm stumped.
