MysticLeviathan
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This will be a long rant I've been wanting to do for a while. I've been wanting to join this site for a while, but registrations had been closed, so I haven't really been able to voice my opinions. I'll be honest, I've been really disliking this series for a while now. I was going to do a long rant a couple chapters ago, but they were very good chapters, so I thought if the ending were good enough, I'd re-evaluate and do the rant at the end. Even if the series had the most amazing ending in the world, the absolute best I could give it is a 7/10. After this most recent chapter, I really doubt I'll be getting that best ending in the world. So I'll be talking about a lot and I wanna hear what you guys think.
In regards to the most recent chapter, I thought it was pretty good. It was a 4/5 in regards to chapter quality. But the ending really pissed me the hell off. How could you give Sasuke any power? After all the shit he did to the village, all the people he killed directly and indirectly, after joining up with a person who Sasuke knew was trying to destroy the Leaf Village and actually followed through with his plans (aka not just bark with no bite), how could you give Sasuke any sort of power? And this was BEFORE he knew what the village did to his clan. He just joined him just because. And to those who said Sasuke didn't kill anyone, you might be right in a direct sense. But he joined up with Orochimaru and went on missions to support his killing. It's no different than saying a war general committed crimes against humanity even though he didn't directly hurt anyone.
To me, this is giving the idea that if a bratty little kid whines enough and starts breaking enough shit, he'll eventually get his way, and that would be totally okay. To me, that's totally not okay. It would be one thing if Sasuke were still in his emo phase before joining up with Orochimaru, but after that point, he shouldn't' be treated as anything other than a rogue ninja and killed when given the chance. How could you ever give Sasuke this kind of power let alone even forgive him? This is a MAJOR issue I have with the series that's not just exclusive to this situation.
Kishi gives this idea that being too nice, while can be problematic, is perfectly ok, but the opposite is evil in itself. That applies to Hiruzen vs. Danzo. You have Danzo who is incredibly conservative to the point of being an obstructionist and will kill anyone and do anything to get his way. At the other side, you have Hiruzen who basically let Orochimaru go even though he knew what would happen. Why is it that Hirzuen gets a TOTAL slide for his actions towards the Orochimaru situation? This series just seems to have this skewed concept of reality where love and forgiveness will conquer all. That's true to an extent. There comes a point where you love and forgiveness becomes a problem and you have to take a hard line stance towards some things, but Naruto doesn't seem to be capable of doing that. Yes, Danzo was a douche, but Hiruzen did more than his fair share of things that hurt the village. As I said, I'd have no problme giving Sasuke that power if this was before he joined up with Orochimaru. But after he crossed that line, the very least I'd do to him is exile him from the Leaf.
That goes into another problem I have with the whole "Cycle of Hatred" BS. This whole series goes into how revenge continues the cycle of hatred. But you know what else continues the cycle of hatred? Not serving justice when it's deserved. How would a person feel if his best friend in the entire world was killed on a mission against Sasuke, later to find out Sasuke had been totally pardoned? What would Naruto say to the dead man's friend? What would Naruto say to the dead man's parents? That killing the man who murdered your son in cold blood would continue the cycle of hatred? If my child were brutally murdered by someone and the government just pardoned him, I'd be absolutely FURIOUS. Not killing the murderer would create a new cycle of hatred. When you have a chance to serve justice, it's your duty to do so. Not only is it wrong not to, but it basically takes a giant shit on all the people who suffered because of the criminal.
Now we get into the whole "destiny" thing. Remember when Neji was telling Naruto how fate controls you and Naruto was all like "I make my own fate", how do you think that looks now? When Neji was made to look like the bad guy, he was right all along. It's incredibly frustrating to see someone made to look so bad and then be proven right in the very end. And what makes it even more frustrating was he changed becuase of that whole conversatino with Naruto, but he was right all along. So even as far back as the Chunin exams have we been seeing this BS.
I've just been really frustrated with the series for a while now. I think it has one of the most interesting premises, but it's really become obnoxious with the whole "striving for world peace, end the cycle of hatred" bullshit. It seems like for every thing it gets right, it gets 2 things wrong. I just don't even know what to feel about the series anymore. I mean it is a shonen so it's going to give a 12 year old's outlook on the world of "if you're kind enough, all of the problems in the world will go away, but it seems like Nartuo's been by far the worst offender. Do you guys agree with me? Disagree with me? Think I'm talking out of my ass. I'm curious what you guys think of the series as a whole. It's been pretty epic lately, but all this love and peace crap keeps popping up and ends up being a total buzzkill. I know I've missed a whole bunch of my thoughts so my arguments might not make as much sense as they could. Let me know what you think.
In regards to the most recent chapter, I thought it was pretty good. It was a 4/5 in regards to chapter quality. But the ending really pissed me the hell off. How could you give Sasuke any power? After all the shit he did to the village, all the people he killed directly and indirectly, after joining up with a person who Sasuke knew was trying to destroy the Leaf Village and actually followed through with his plans (aka not just bark with no bite), how could you give Sasuke any sort of power? And this was BEFORE he knew what the village did to his clan. He just joined him just because. And to those who said Sasuke didn't kill anyone, you might be right in a direct sense. But he joined up with Orochimaru and went on missions to support his killing. It's no different than saying a war general committed crimes against humanity even though he didn't directly hurt anyone.
To me, this is giving the idea that if a bratty little kid whines enough and starts breaking enough shit, he'll eventually get his way, and that would be totally okay. To me, that's totally not okay. It would be one thing if Sasuke were still in his emo phase before joining up with Orochimaru, but after that point, he shouldn't' be treated as anything other than a rogue ninja and killed when given the chance. How could you ever give Sasuke this kind of power let alone even forgive him? This is a MAJOR issue I have with the series that's not just exclusive to this situation.
Kishi gives this idea that being too nice, while can be problematic, is perfectly ok, but the opposite is evil in itself. That applies to Hiruzen vs. Danzo. You have Danzo who is incredibly conservative to the point of being an obstructionist and will kill anyone and do anything to get his way. At the other side, you have Hiruzen who basically let Orochimaru go even though he knew what would happen. Why is it that Hirzuen gets a TOTAL slide for his actions towards the Orochimaru situation? This series just seems to have this skewed concept of reality where love and forgiveness will conquer all. That's true to an extent. There comes a point where you love and forgiveness becomes a problem and you have to take a hard line stance towards some things, but Naruto doesn't seem to be capable of doing that. Yes, Danzo was a douche, but Hiruzen did more than his fair share of things that hurt the village. As I said, I'd have no problme giving Sasuke that power if this was before he joined up with Orochimaru. But after he crossed that line, the very least I'd do to him is exile him from the Leaf.
That goes into another problem I have with the whole "Cycle of Hatred" BS. This whole series goes into how revenge continues the cycle of hatred. But you know what else continues the cycle of hatred? Not serving justice when it's deserved. How would a person feel if his best friend in the entire world was killed on a mission against Sasuke, later to find out Sasuke had been totally pardoned? What would Naruto say to the dead man's friend? What would Naruto say to the dead man's parents? That killing the man who murdered your son in cold blood would continue the cycle of hatred? If my child were brutally murdered by someone and the government just pardoned him, I'd be absolutely FURIOUS. Not killing the murderer would create a new cycle of hatred. When you have a chance to serve justice, it's your duty to do so. Not only is it wrong not to, but it basically takes a giant shit on all the people who suffered because of the criminal.
Now we get into the whole "destiny" thing. Remember when Neji was telling Naruto how fate controls you and Naruto was all like "I make my own fate", how do you think that looks now? When Neji was made to look like the bad guy, he was right all along. It's incredibly frustrating to see someone made to look so bad and then be proven right in the very end. And what makes it even more frustrating was he changed becuase of that whole conversatino with Naruto, but he was right all along. So even as far back as the Chunin exams have we been seeing this BS.
I've just been really frustrated with the series for a while now. I think it has one of the most interesting premises, but it's really become obnoxious with the whole "striving for world peace, end the cycle of hatred" bullshit. It seems like for every thing it gets right, it gets 2 things wrong. I just don't even know what to feel about the series anymore. I mean it is a shonen so it's going to give a 12 year old's outlook on the world of "if you're kind enough, all of the problems in the world will go away, but it seems like Nartuo's been by far the worst offender. Do you guys agree with me? Disagree with me? Think I'm talking out of my ass. I'm curious what you guys think of the series as a whole. It's been pretty epic lately, but all this love and peace crap keeps popping up and ends up being a total buzzkill. I know I've missed a whole bunch of my thoughts so my arguments might not make as much sense as they could. Let me know what you think.
