[Discussion] my oppinion why yonkou is not the same lvl of fleet or admiral lvl

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Then stop stereotyping NB debators, because they feel the same about your silly posts. The Irony of this situation.
Well it does seem like something a nb debator would do tbh. Algalon post pretty much answered this thread. Yet instead of proving him wrong you resort to insults. Roronoa Zoro just can't read so no point in arguing with him. Hence why I started debating with ZoroXTashigi. Anyways, I'm out.
 
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Well it does seem like something a nb debator would do tbh. Algalon post pretty much answered this thread. Yet instead of proving him wrong you resort to insults. Roronoa Zoro just can't read so no point in arguing with him. Hence why I started debating with ZoroXTashigi. Anyways, I'm out.
RED - That was not an insult, It was an in general view of how biased people are towards admirals, hell people in this thread even went to the lengths of challenging prime roger and said he would be useless at marineford smh. Such wanks.

GREEN - This is insult.

And you do the same and run away xD
 

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Thanks for the neg rep Anduril(with all the insults in the description) First one I've ever got. Didn't see your edited post post so here goes.

I do believe Dolfamingo got stabbed through the side of his abdomen by Law and shrugged it off like nothing happened(just like WB). Its all pain tolerance. Like how Akainu fought the WB Commanders after 2 island splitters as if nothing happened before. WB's stab was definitely more serious, but he shrugged it off and pressed on(never once did he look or comment about his wound hindering him). His inhuman pain tolerance and endurance are 2 of the things that made him the WSM.

I for one never insulted anybody. Didn't even hint that I was insulting anyone or being sarcastic but I was called a b*tch, stupid, dumb and that I had low comprehension of my own words by you in this topic alone. That's typical NB debaters since you know....it happens in almost every discussion topic. Just insults, insults and more insults. Corazon(and myself) were insulted first and many times afterwards. You shouldn't really be pointing out insults when your the main one provoking others with the insults Anduril. I just wanted good counter arguments. Not replies that are not so different from hatemail.


Well it does seem like something a nb debator would do tbh. Algalon post pretty much answered this thread. Yet instead of proving him wrong you resort to insults. Roronoa Zoro just can't read so no point in arguing with him. Hence why I started debating with ZoroXTashigi. Anyways, I'm out.
Let me try this one last time(depends):

There are two types of people regarding marineford: the ones who believe Old WB was the strongest Yonkou, and those who believe Old WB was the weakest yonkou. Those who think the latter of course thinks Shanks, Kaidou and Big Mam> Old WB and Prime WB>Shanks, Kaidou and Big Mam. They obviously the younko>>admirals because of that thought.

I believe Old WB was still the strongest yonkou and the strongest in the world since he was called the strongest over and over and over again. Even when WB was introduced being treated for illness by nurses, Oda called him the strongest. It was only because WB got heart attacks that he lost control. I just remembered a few things:

-Before anything happened to WB, Aokiji, an admiral, was the first person to attack WB. He froze WB's tsunami and was unharmed after a close-range shockwave from a gura punch. Afte the stab, Aokiji stopped WB from going a gura bisento clash by freezing him, kept WB from stabbing him by making a hole in his gut and almost stabbed WB himself with Ice partizans but was stopped by Jozu.

-Akainu easily stalemated Old WB. Old WB was gonna swing a gura bisento with both hands but Akainu easily stopped and held down the bisento with one freaking leg. Old WB vs. Akainu clearly shows that yonkou and admirals are on par with each other.

-The Marines are unbeatable in 1v1 scenarios. Roger and his crew vs. Marines= marines win etc.. Even if it was Prime WB, him and his crew still would've lost.
 
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I for one never insulted anybody. Didn't even hint that I was insulting anyone or being sarcastic but I was called a b*tch, stupid, dumb and that I had low comprehension of my own words by you in this topic alone. That's typical NB debaters since you know....it happens in almost every discussion topic. Just insults, insults and more insults. Corazon(and myself) were insulted first and many times afterwards. You shouldn't really be pointing out insults when your the main one provoking others with the insults Anduril. I just wanted good counter arguments. Not replies that are not so different from hatemail.

If you are able to quote me calling you stupid, dumb or any of that Highlighted part in this thread, I will agree that Marines >>> Prime WB at marinefore/ Prime Roger at marineford.

And these are my words,
one person does not have coherent understanding of the points he wants to make, he would just babble them all together which is meaningless
this is NOT the same as this,

that I had low comprehension of my own words
The Fact that you actually lied to taint me in a discussion makes me wanna neg rep you again and makes me think that you are a very poor debater.

P.S - The ***** part is also a general internet meme. I just intended to use it for the expression and not the words. But I accept that since I posted it.
 
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There is a revolting undertone of Admiral underestimation in this thread. Yonko > Admiral should not be taken as cannon fact. There has been no suggestion that all Yonko are without a doubt stronger than all Admirals. The two are on the same level with individuals intermingling. Which is why the Supernovas/SH will cooperate and fight to bring one or two down, before getting to a level where they can fight one (Admiral/Yonko) themselves. DCJ a veteran of Rodger's era asked Luffy if he is ready to surpass Admirals & Yonko to become the man Rodger was. If it was as simple as Yonko > Admiral. There would be no need of including the latter. All he would have to do is beat one and be crowned ruler of the sea.

Admiral = Yonko. Only one Yonko proved himself to be head and shoulders above the Admirals AND the rest of the world. Other than that everything else is speculative at this point. The individual power of a Yonko will generally be slightly below or above an Admiral, depending on the individual in question. This is the point where some smart ass is going to ask me, if the two are equal why is there still a pirate age? Simple. Have you observed that Yonko stronger crew mates are generally Low Top Tier's while the rest hoover in between said rank and upper High Tier. Compare this to the marines who have the Admirals (best of the best) and a couple of powerful warlords. Add to this the fact that the NW is ruled with an iron fist by the 4 pirates and any movements into their territory is asking for unnecessary trouble.

Claiming to people to be equal means I am unbiased to either until they show their feats. Tell me do you think Luffy is going to fight stronger opponents when he is weaker only to end up fighting weaker ones when he is stronger? The only Yonko we saw could outmatch the entire world, which is why he was called the World's Strongest Man. In his old age with tubes up his nose he clashed equally with the wanked Shanks. At MF despite his injuries he was able to fight on for hours on end. A fresh Old WB would rape any one of the Admiral and Yonko. Yonko's are built up more since they are the individuals Luffy is supposed to beat and surpass before he can be deemed worthy of title of PK. Entire Arcs are going to be centered around them and a good part of the story ties to them. OP is a contunity story and that passing of the torch or change of times is what makes the story process tick. It seems stupid near asinine to say that since Kaido is more build and will have an arc centered around him, this means he is decisively stronger than any Admiral.

GTFO Old WB > Shanks > MF WB. The man admits this while on board WB ship.
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Shanks says that after aiming & reaching the the top (which would be the pirate summit or the cusp of OP superiority), Teach will eventually take over his position too which happens to be the World's Strongest Man. Now remove yourself from Shank's rear and get some fresh air. The two had an equal clash of HH. Demonstrating that their spirits were equally as strong. HH =/ Overall Power.
 
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GTFO Old WB > Shanks > MF WB. The man admits this while on board WB ship.
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Eventually: in the end, especially after a long delay / Too: in addition, as well
Shanks says that after aiming & reaching the the top (which would be the pirate summit or the cusp of OP superiority), Teach will eventually take over his position too which happens to be the World's Strongest Man. Now remove yourself from Shank's rear and get some fresh air. The two had an equal clash of HH. Demonstrating that their spirits were equally as strong. HH =/ Overall Power.
Lmao it's funny how you used the exact argument i used before:

T Bogard said:
Here:

Notice how he says Teach will reach the top(yonkous) and eventually obtain Whitebeard's position too

Eventually = After some time
Too = as well(after taking other positions)

So this statement shows Shanks considered old and sick Whitebeard above the top(yonkous including himself) considering he says it will take time for Blackbeard to take Whitebeard's position even after reaching the top
Where you reading my posts or something? :p
 
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How I see:

FA = Yonko > Admiral = 1st mate of Yonko crew.

Someone will say that Akainu defeats Marco easily. But I would agrue that Akainu was already FA level during MF, considering that he and Aokiji were candidates for FA right after MF.
 
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