[Discussion] my oppinion why yonkou is not the same lvl of fleet or admiral lvl
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Nah, he can't help them just by out speeding Kizaru. How can that help SH's to escape again? Rayleigh might be able to out speed Kizaru but SH's can't. If Ray leaves Kizaru and go after Kuma then Kizaru'll go after crew and if he fights Kizaru then Kuma'll go after the crew. His only options to help them are 1) Fighting both of them at the same time without allowing any of them to go after SH's. If he's admirals level as you have been implying then it's as good as impossible as holding an admiral alone is a big problem for him. And 2) Incapacitating Kizaru/Kuma to a level where he can't go after SH's and fight remaining one. This is also impossible if he is on the same level as admiral as it'll take days for an admiral level fighter to beat another admiral level dude to that extent.
I have already told you that Kizaru is a goofy character so thinking he was not trying just because he keeps his funny face during the battle is just stupid. Even Kizaru admitted that he's in trouble and Rayleigh isn't someone that can be easily dealt with. And you are telling me he was't trying? Admirals were portrayed to be almost equals so you can use anyone to justify the arguments. If it took 10 days for Akainu to beat Aokiji then same'll happen against Kizaru. You are acting as if they belongs to two different levels.Lol
It's you who's not using your brain. So what if he's a yonko? If he's only as strong as an admiral then the best he can do is to beat one of 5 admiral level fighters at MF then what about other 4?
Shanks was standing in front of Akainu even before his speech and he didn't said a thing until Luffy left MF yet he didn't do an thing. He can spam the sea with magma and kill them. Don't act as if he can't do shit just because they were inside water. Lmao, Are you seriously telling me that defeating Shanks would earn nothing? He's a yonko for f's sake.Lol Aside from Smoker and a few others I don't remember a marine who has the intention of stopping the fight even after accomplishing they primary goal.
I have never implied that Akainu is scared of fighting Shanks. The thing is that Akainu decided to give up on Luffy and do nothing when Shanks was standing in front of him. Because he know that they'll be f***ed up if he carelessly attacks Shanks. Every marine at MF knew this which is why they have decided to do as he says. If only thing Shanks can do is to defeat an admiral then marines have no reason to listen to Shanks. They would have proceeded to gang rape him along with WB pirates.Shanks is on par with Old healthy WB and Akainu almost died to beat half dead sick WB and you still think they belong to same level?:hmm:
Regardless, if those guys are on par with admirals at the age of 70 then it wouldn't take a genius to understand that they are much stronger than admirals during their prime. Shanks and Mihawk are easily prime Rayleigh level.
If he's faster than Kizaru, he can help them escape. i.e countering his attacks directed towards SH's & fend off Kuma as well. I don't believe what he said is true either. Like I said before, it's just hype. He knows little to nothing about Kuma's capabilities nor was it suggested that he knows the full extent of Kizaru either (debatable but I doubt Kuma since he's retired)
When I say he doesn't try, I mean he doesn't go all out. Like Akainu does, he is determined to kill. Kizaru wasn't bloodlust over Rayleigh. Nope, you just can't comphrend what I stated in my post. I never implied Kizaru is on a lower level than admiral level. I just stated that he's the weakest and we haven't seen him go all out. Kizaru does mess around, he doesn't take things seriously.
It's you who's not using your brain. Do you not understand what a tier means? Ofc there will be people weaker/stronger than others in the same tier. It's inevitable, however they are in the same hierarchy in power. Just like, how if two students scored an 83% and 87%, they'll still be ranked in the same tier, A (just basing it off my grading system so don't take this example too seriously as I'm sure you can relate). It's a category pretty much.
If they were to fight Shanks, they'll suffer even more of a loss and they won't gain much. Beating Shanks will result in what? More chaos in the NW? It will disrupt the balance in the NW between the yonko's.
A weakened Akainu won't fight with another yonko/admiral. Are you really using an example of a weakened admiral not wanting to fight a healthy yonko?. It will cause more harm than good if they were to fight against another yonko. (yes, even if the marines were to win)
Well, it seems like you were. Even if that was the case, it doesn't suggest that they're on another tier/level. Look, did the Marines chicken out from fighting the WB pirates? Nope. What makes you think they'll chicken out with another yonko? Clearly, there was no point in fighting another yonko back to back. The outcome would be more or less the same if they started a war with any yonko. I can't believe you actually don't understand this lmao.
Half dead? Akainu did some considerable amount of damage before the "fight". Also, WB caught Akainu off-guard since he was fixated on chasing Luffy. WB still nearly lost his entire face from just one magma attack. WB won nearly on the verge of death. Even before that, Akainu was holding down WB's bisento with just his leg. WB isn't on another league.
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The one who bled in that fight was Kizaru. The one who said he was in trouble was Kizaru. The one who said that the navy cannot bother to capture ray because it would require a lot more dedication than they could spare (Meaning more than just deploying one admiral). And you refute all that with "SWEAT".
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I ain't even sure how to reply to this. Freaking Bullshit!
It is pretty clear a dying man has weaker haki and "WILL to succeed" because he is about to die anyways.
That Red part makes you LOL. So a sword as big as "Squards" being stabbed in your gut and emerging from your back is a superficial wound?
That's it I am outta here.
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Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that you might be over-rating the admirals when you say prime-pirate king would have died at MF. LOL
Vandenre1ch
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Kizaru bleed(a minor cut like Law cutting Doffy) because of sneak attack. The same guy you said Luffy and the WB Commandes were scary. Rayleigh is the freaking first mate of the pirate king. Ofc the marine will take special preperations against against that guy BUT, he was stalemating Kizaru and obviously wasn't gonna win. Him sweating(because of low stamina from Old age) and implying that he's not as good as he thought he was proves that. You ASSUME that it takes 2 admirals to beat Rayleigh.
Then how come WB was able to hurt Akainu(while super ****ed up) with haki and not Kizaru?
Its a rather superficial wound for a top tier. Top tiers can fight for days before being brought down. WB was still sticking after 276 bulltes, 152 stabs, 52 cannon blasts, having a hole punched in his chest and having half his face removed. One stab isn't THAT big a deal. Hell, WB destroyed a good portion of Marineford after losing half his face.
Have you ever considered that you may be underrating the admirals? See. I can use the same logic.
This post is just a load of talk. Like in debates, when one person does not have coherent understanding of the points he wants to make, he would just babble them all together which is meaningless like the above post.
Edit: And lookey here (top left corner)
WB is sweating, oh he is old and must be out of stamina. But wait He has not FREAKING moved.
Maybe because he was stabbed? Oh but top tier's don't feel stabs.
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Vandenre1ch
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Of course. Typical. When you run out of counter arguments, just claim that the other guy is stupid, wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. Typical Narutobase debators. I'm done here.
Won't you guys stop this nonsense? Admirals were portrayed to be equals and the fact that it took ten days for Akainu to win his battle proves that the gap b/w those two is less than the gap b/w Luffy and Lucci during NL arc. If some beats Kizaru with mid dif then same shit will happen to Akainu. You guys act as if they belong to two different levels.
In some way? Ok genius, tell me in what way other than fighting Kuma and Kizaru can he help them to escape?
99.9 power level discussions rides on hype in OP section. I have already told you that dealing with admiral level fighter alone is a big enough problem for another admirals level dude. He can't fight Kuma/Kizaru and help SH's from Kuma/Kizaru at the same time. He should either fight both of the at the same time or beat one of them and go after another. Those are the only options he has to help them to escape. Rayleigh already displayed the ability to see the extent of ones power level using haki so thinking he doesn't know the extent of enemies power level is just stupid. He has loads of experience and is easily one of the smartest characters in OP. He wouldn't make such a statement without considerable knowledge.
Neither did Rayleigh, The thing is that they fought on par with each other and both of them are trying to beat the other. Luffy won't always use hsi strongest moves but that doesn't mean that he's not giving his best against his opponents. As I said on more than one occasion not taking seriously =/= not giving your best in a fight.
I don't get why you are explaining this to me. You said Shanks beats an admiral with extreme dif, So you think Shanks is a bit stronger than Admirals. I don't remember over looking that point in any of my posts. The point I have been trying to make is that only thing Shanks can do is to beat one admirals going by your own logic. So if only thing he can handle is one admiral then marines have no problem to deal with Shanks. They didn't tried to defy him because Shanks is even bigger problem than that.
Once again stupid argument. Everyone knew that there will be many casualties when they decided to fight WB pirates. They can prove their might to the world by taking down two yonko at the same time.
You didn't get my point at all. It doesn't matter if he was in a weak state. The same akainu went against all of Wb commanders. And it's not like he's scared of fighting Shanks or anything. The problem is that he's aware of the result of picking a battle with Shanks. If they were to fight him then they'll be fu**ed which is why Akainu had decided to stay calm. Same goes for other marines as well. But he's just as good as admirals then they have no problem to deal with him.
WB was sick even at the beginning of the battle. Crock noted that he's pathetic when you compare him with his normal state. Ya Akainu has done a good job against a WB that couldn't even dodge an incoming attack from a fodder like Squard.Lol Wb's combat skills when he's in his worst condition are comparable to that of Akainu. That clearly explains the difference in their actual strengths.
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Yonkos and admirale on par yo me. People please not be stupid and biase which one of y'all think a Yonko can mid diff and an admiral. WB hit Akainu with a motivated island splitter and after that Akainu fought his whole crew...nobody at MF was phased by Shanks except fodder
ZoroXTashigi
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Well Sengoku did respect Shanks but to really end this discussion. If the marines defeated the WB pirates with quite a few admiral level fighters left (unharmed), they can more or less do the same thing with any yonko crew.
ZoroXTashigi
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Yah, because Shanks was old and sick ... and all Shanks Commanders was as strong as WBs Commanders.
ZoroXTashigi
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Shank actually stronger than old & sick WB, If WB wasn't sick then Marco and Jozu didn't get distracted. And so on ...... No need to become a lot stronger, but they actually different person with different ability, Caesar not stronger than Luffy, but easily make him pass out.