[Discussion] my oppinion why whitebeard is greater than roger

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Remember the part where buggy talk about whitebeard is one of the closest of achieving one piece?
And there's more when whitebeard was drinking alcohol with roger and roger ask whitebeard if he wants to know how to go raftle and whitebeard refuses to go there.

Other than: he can go toe to toe with prime roger, garp, and even a prime admiral fighting a old whitebeard he can still win...

But combining those two about what roger and buggy said: that whitebeard can conquer the whole sea of onepiece, but he refuses to do it! And that's what makes him badass a legend, a good man, a good father, a good allie, it's because he choses to protect what he loves, what he thinks is much more important than a title like pirate king.

And what makes him the best legend than roger is that... he changes a lot of people, to Marco to Jozu I mean all the whitebeard pirates, not only that just imagined the islands before whitebeard conquered it...

Whitebeard for me is greater man than roger...
 

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Remember the part where buggy talk about whitebeard is one of the closest of achieving one piece?
And there's more when whitebeard was drinking alcohol with roger and roger ask whitebeard if he wants to know how to go raftle and whitebeard refuses to go there.
Well, Roger achieved One Piece... :|

Other than: he can go toe to toe with prime roger, garp, and even a prime admiral fighting a old whitebeard he can still win...
Ok lol, so ?

But combining those two about what roger and buggy said: that whitebeard can conquer the whole sea of onepiece, but he refuses to do it! And that's what makes him badass a legend, a good man, a good father, a good allie, it's because he choses to protect what he loves, what he thinks is much more important than a title like pirate king.
Because Roger didn't want to protect anyone ?

And what makes him the best legend than roger is that... he changes a lot of people, to Marco to Jozu I mean all the whitebeard pirates, not only that just imagined the islands before whitebeard conquered it...
Lol Roger changed the whole OP verse with his death. Without Roger, nothing.

Whitebeard for me is greater man than roger...
 

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Well, Roger achieved One Piece... :|



Ok lol, so ?



Because Roger didn't want to protect anyone ?



Lol Roger changed the whole OP verse with his death. Without Roger, nothing.

Whitebeard for me is greater man than roger...

1. I'm just showing his power

2. After leaving the new world going back to where he started... he leave everything behind that he conquered, and start a new live so what happened to them after he made it his territory? Huh! Tell me?

3. So what if He changed the whole op verse? Why? Can't you become a pirate without it? Luffy wants to become a pirate king because he thinks that title is the most free man in the world... he can still BE A PIRATE without the pirate king there AND BECOME THE FREEYEST MAN THE WORLD.
 
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No, nuff said, no explanations.

You only think this because Roger had no real screen time.

His little screens alone .. creating the great pirate era sh!ts on WB life as an entirety.
 

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Rogers above Whitebeard.

It was only stated Whitebeard was the only one along with Garp who could rival Roger. It was never stated they could defeat him.
 

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By strength, it was implied that they are equal.

But by 'being human', I would agree that WB is greater. Tho, we need to see Roger on screen.

It seems people don't really understand that point of this thread is not really who is stonger.. Why do people have everything to turn into power level debate?
 

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No, they are equals. Though i still give a minor edge to Roger in battle because why not. Plus he was sick by the end of his journey
 

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Remember the part where buggy talk about whitebeard is one of the closest of achieving one piece?
And there's more when whitebeard was drinking alcohol with roger and roger ask whitebeard if he wants to know how to go raftle and whitebeard refuses to go there.

Other than: he can go toe to toe with prime roger, garp, and even a prime admiral fighting a old whitebeard he can still win...

But combining those two about what roger and buggy said: that whitebeard can conquer the whole sea of onepiece, but he refuses to do it! And that's what makes him badass a legend, a good man, a good father, a good allie, it's because he choses to protect what he loves, what he thinks is much more important than a title like pirate king.

And what makes him the best legend than roger is that... he changes a lot of people, to Marco to Jozu I mean all the whitebeard pirates, not only that just imagined the islands before whitebeard conquered it...

Whitebeard for me is greater man than roger...
I really don't get what the point is of this thread as the only thing you just said was that WB is greater than Roger using extremely subjective parameters which in the end come down to that Roger wanted to reach Raftel and WB didn't. Why the hell makes that WB any greater than Roger? Roger cared as much for his nakama as WB did, it was even clearly specified that Roger often did the most ridiculous stuff to protect his nakama and he influenced his nakama quite a lot too. One of them became a Yonkou and another trained one of the most infamous pirates of the current generation and what we know of the past of both of them, is that Roger strongly influenced them both. So there is really no concrete/objective reason to assume that Whitebeard was greater than Roger based on these parameters.

Also WB had over two decades to build his empire. He might not even have had it when Roger was alive or likewise Roger might have had one during his lifetime. So that is not an argument either as we know nothing about this. The manga always gave the impression that the 4 Yonkou in fact came into existence at the same time and as Shanks was still a rookie when Roger died, this only came to be after Roger's death. This is also backed up by the fact that the Shichibukai were created to counterbalance the four Yonkou and most of the Shichibukai were from the generation that followed after his death, Shank's generation. Many of them were also present at his execution. One of the reasons as why this imperial structure came into being, might even be due to the massive increase in pirate crews that followed Roger's death: the great age of piracy. Before that there were far less pirates and thus there was less reason for many countries to need protection. So this is not a reason either.

In the end it really comes down to you simply finding WB a better character than Roger for whatever reason, nothing more.

That Buggy said that WB was the closest to the OP is really irrelevant. That was mainly based on the fact that WB was able to go toe to toe with Roger and that all the other great pirates of the current era came from 1-2 generations after him. Hence making him the closest to the OP in the eyes of many people. However in practice it seems he was not any closer than most other pirates, he neither had an interest in it too. In fact acknowledging that WB is the closest to the OP is nothing more than a different way of saying that WB was closest to winning the game that Roger created and was the game master of. You seem to forget that OP was created by Roger. Whatever is OP, well finding that out is what this series is all about, it might be something that's centuries old, however before Roger you only had the myth of the last island Raftel. There was no such thing as OP, that concept is something Roger created on the moment he died: he hid the largest treasure in one piece on Raftel and to find that treasure, thousands of people took to the sees as pirates. Roger after all only mentioned Raftel, not OP, the moment he shared a drink with WB. Even if the OP appears to be something that's hundreds of years old, the concept of OP was created by Roger. Roger was responsible for the great age of piracy and when WB died, he only threw a few more logs on the fire that Roger started.

It really comes all down to you simply favoring WB over Roger for actually no real reason other than it's just what it is.
 
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