My Muslim Friends Tell Me Islam Is About Peace and Love. Is this True?

[BLAZE]

Yeah sure like they dnt get beheaded,stoned or get glassed on streets may be except Indonesia.

Turkey,Most of the central asian nations

"Have talked to several ex-muslims"

That right there does not count as evidence. Talking with individuals who left their religion, will make up non true facts towards islam

This is load of Bullshit too

 

[The Demon Hawk]

"Have talked to several ex-muslims"

That right there does not count as evidence. Talking with individuals who left their religion, will make up non true facts towards islam

Exactly this. ^ So true...

I never said you are implying anything. Anyway bye.

Why not try talking to people who converted into Islam?

This too.

 

[TheAncientJinchuuriki]

Turkey,Most of the central asian nations
This is load of Bullshit too

Please explain why

 

[Reraru]

This is load of Bullshit too

Why is that could you explain?

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Stop making stories please. I am sure it's your first time talking to Muslims. You have a mindset according to which Muslims are very bad and Islam is not peaceful.

Yeah, I think his encounter with Muslims is mostly on the internet. And people who commonly misguide i.e. ex-Muslims. Plus, he's deliberately trying to find errors, and clearly has a conflict approach i.e. not to understand but to reject.

It promotes peace between Muslims only, Anyone else is either Stupid, an animal, or deserves to die.

Source: The Quran

*sigh*

 

[chopstickchakra]

Give the translation if you want to continue this debate further. I'm more than okay to proceed.



Translations are not made up. But your interpretation is. And your lack of knowledge about the context also factors in here.

So then is this passage mis-translated?

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[Reraru]

So then is this passage mis-translated?

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[BLAZE]

Please explain why

Trying to state talking to anyone who has left his religion does not count as an evidence is lolworthy.Not everything is black and white

People trying to cover up anything thats wrong with their religion or religious books are bunch of idiots along with those who tries to rage on a particular community becoz a small fraction has terrorist mindset

 

[TheAncientJinchuuriki]

So then is this passage mis-translated?

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[Awkward Linguist]

Do you think that death penalty for apostasy is peaceful? Or having the right to harm your wife if she disobeys? How about killing non believers? Do you that is an act of peace?

I honestly have the feeling that people confuse the Islam and what actually stands in the Quran (just read or google it) with muslims, who aren't fundamentalists and who they know in real life.

Saying that not everyone is like that is true and good but saying that the Quran and Islam are all about peace is disrespectful to all the people who lost their lifes because of it.

You have it wrong. It is against the teaching of Islam to kill those who have left Islam. As long as they peacefully coexist with Muslims communities then it is absolutely fine. The only time it is permissible to execute someone who has left Islam is when that certain someone propogate/spreads false information/hate about Islam. This is because when they have spread completely false information about Islam, others will be brainwashed into thinking that all Muslims are terrorists and etc. And when they think like this what do you think is going to happen? Muslims will be targeted, mosques will be attacked and etc. And this is all because of that certain someone who had left Islam and planted false images of Islam into the minds of people. Have you not seen the number of Muslims that have been attacked in buses and trains for their clothing? This is why Muslims believe apostates who leave Islam and propogate/preach against it should be executed - it will lead to the death of many innocent Muslims. However apostates who have left Islam peacefully without spreading hate should not be executed. But in a world that is ****ed up as it already is, some Muslim will teach others that if someone leaves Islam they should be killed. That's wrong, they're spreading the wrong message.

And the sad thing is that Muslim extremists and non Muslims who think that Islam is about violence are exactly the same. Both of these groups have the same mindset - they both think that Islam preaches hate, when it does not. And in between these two groups are countless of innocent Muslims and non Muslims. And the funny thing is that less than 0.001% of the 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists. It's the media that makes it look like a greater percentage of them are extremists.​

 

[chopstickchakra]

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Not what I asked, I asked was that passage mis-translated. Idk, it was the first one I found, someone here said present them the passages so I did. You're too quick to lump all questions with insults.

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There may be quotes conflicting with it, it happens, hell the old and new testaments in Christianity conflict a lot. What I asked is was that passage correctly translated from the Quran or not.

 

[Reraru]

Not what I asked, I asked was that passage mis-translated. Idk, it was the first one I found, someone here said present them the passages so I did. You're too quick to lump all questions with insults.



There may be quotes conflicting with it, it happens, hell the old and new testaments in Christianity conflict a lot. What I asked is was that passage correctly translated from the Quran or not.

I never insulted you. The translations are very old so it's hard to understand for many. I myself use lots of translation to understand the Holy Qur'an. A person who knows Arabic can tell you only.

 

[Brooks]

Why is too hard for people to see ISIS is taking advantage of Islam? There are always people who want to take advantage on any kind of religion and try to justify it with their own actions.

 

[demon of the leaf]

It is not right at all, extremist and Islamist are both used to refer to ISIS which is wrong and inconsiderate of other muslims

In other words it is suggesting that ISIS members are better at practicing the religion then regular non violent muslims, which is an insult. Of course with such wording why wouldn't anyone believe that violence is what the religion is about.

I did say they follow a crusade era of islam i dont include the rest of the muslims and due to cowards running and other world leaders isis has grown to be a threat as large as the nazis presented in ww2

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

Yeah, I think his encounter with Muslims is mostly on the internet. And people who commonly misguide i.e. ex-Muslims. Plus, he's deliberately trying to find errors, and clearly has a conflict approach i.e. not to understand but to reject.



*sigh*

Dont make me put up the verses.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I never insulted you. The translations are very old so it's hard to understand for many. I myself use lots of translation to understand the Holy Qur'an. A person who knows Arabic can tell you only.

I never said you insulted me, I said you took my question as an insult and got defensive and assumed I was trying to slight Islam. A person who knows Arabic can tell you only. I know that's why I was asking the demon hawk, who said please post quotes, if that quote was correct.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

So then is this passage mis-translated?

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Read this translation. It's far clearer and understandable.

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[random girlz]

Not all Muslims think the same. The jihadests are the ones ya gotta watch out for.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Dont make me put up the verses.

Please do, I'll slap it with some context and leave you on seen.​

 

[chopstickchakra]

Read this translation. It's far clearer and understandable.

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The two seem to say the same thing, at first admonish, if that doesn't work leave, if that doesn't work strike, once in compliance stop any form whether it be admonish abandon or strike. Am I wrong?