[HA] My mind will be Reborn (Yamanaka)
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Non-Rp style. And i know a little, but tbvh I'd rather you treat me as a noob so i can get every bit of information for this clan. Plan on expanding on it so knowing its inner workings and limits will be very much needed.
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Not sure if you still have a Yamanaka, but If you do I'm going to get you through this training.
You want the noob treatment. Tell me now what you know about the yamanaka clan in the canon sense and how you believe their techniques work in the RP system.
You want the noob treatment. Tell me now what you know about the yamanaka clan in the canon sense and how you believe their techniques work in the RP system.
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;_; my god. My patience is paying off.
I don't feel like writing alot tbh so if it's cool I'll keep it brief. They are a clan of mostly sensors (i believe every named yamanaka could sense) and use the hidden ability to transfer their conscious into a person or object. The abilities don't max out with that though. They can also remotely control ppl's bodies without transfering their conscious, and even throw off a targets ability to control their own body.
In a rp sense, I'm under the assumption it works similar to that of the Manga/Anime, though since we don't have a system of "Will strength", the techniques can be broken with Chakra costs.
Besides that i don't know much.
I don't feel like writing alot tbh so if it's cool I'll keep it brief. They are a clan of mostly sensors (i believe every named yamanaka could sense) and use the hidden ability to transfer their conscious into a person or object. The abilities don't max out with that though. They can also remotely control ppl's bodies without transfering their conscious, and even throw off a targets ability to control their own body.
In a rp sense, I'm under the assumption it works similar to that of the Manga/Anime, though since we don't have a system of "Will strength", the techniques can be broken with Chakra costs.
Besides that i don't know much.
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For the most part you're right. Every named and even the unnamed that we've seen have demonstrated the ability to sense chakra, something that should probably be updated so it's not limited to canon members. At least two of their abilities are contingent on chakra sensory so that's another aspect.
The system is rather outdated as I've already told you which is why I'm trying to update it with the somewhat increase in interest by you and a few others in the clan. There is only one "will" based technique in our RP which I have used to explain how members of higher rank are able to escape from Yamanaka techniques. I'll let you tell me what that technique in your response to this post. As for other means of breaking out of Yamanaka techniques, chakra is the next best thing to use for our RP. Though I have a question for you, and this will prepare you for how to use any and all the Yamanaka techniques presently or in the future. As it stand right now, I'm waiting to have updates looked at but what I have to ask is applicable to the techniques that exist now.
Yamanaka techniques strip control of an opponent's body away from them. Let us say that you are captured in one of the techniques by another clan member and you do not have the means of "willing" your way out of the technique. You would need to use chakra, but how are you going to accomplish that when your body is under your opponent's control?
Another question, two actually and one of them resonates with the first one. There are some techniques that allow for you to manipulate your opponent's chakra, namely the Mind Body Switch and Mind Clone Switch techniques. Another hypothetical, what if you capture somebody and they try to force you out with chakra. Do you believe you have any ability to prevent your opponent from using chakra and if so, to what degree? Obviously there needs to be a limitation on what you can do. The next question is, if you can use chakra does this allow you to use techniques that your opponent knows such as; customs, elements, etc?
Another random question that popped into my mind. If you use the summoning technique while you are in the body of another, will you summon one of your animals or one of your host body's if they have any?
And clones, they have sentience and minds of their own. Are they susceptible to Mind Transfers? If so what do you think would be the result of injury on a clone to the Yamanaka?
The system is rather outdated as I've already told you which is why I'm trying to update it with the somewhat increase in interest by you and a few others in the clan. There is only one "will" based technique in our RP which I have used to explain how members of higher rank are able to escape from Yamanaka techniques. I'll let you tell me what that technique in your response to this post. As for other means of breaking out of Yamanaka techniques, chakra is the next best thing to use for our RP. Though I have a question for you, and this will prepare you for how to use any and all the Yamanaka techniques presently or in the future. As it stand right now, I'm waiting to have updates looked at but what I have to ask is applicable to the techniques that exist now.
Yamanaka techniques strip control of an opponent's body away from them. Let us say that you are captured in one of the techniques by another clan member and you do not have the means of "willing" your way out of the technique. You would need to use chakra, but how are you going to accomplish that when your body is under your opponent's control?
Another question, two actually and one of them resonates with the first one. There are some techniques that allow for you to manipulate your opponent's chakra, namely the Mind Body Switch and Mind Clone Switch techniques. Another hypothetical, what if you capture somebody and they try to force you out with chakra. Do you believe you have any ability to prevent your opponent from using chakra and if so, to what degree? Obviously there needs to be a limitation on what you can do. The next question is, if you can use chakra does this allow you to use techniques that your opponent knows such as; customs, elements, etc?
Another random question that popped into my mind. If you use the summoning technique while you are in the body of another, will you summon one of your animals or one of your host body's if they have any?
And clones, they have sentience and minds of their own. Are they susceptible to Mind Transfers? If so what do you think would be the result of injury on a clone to the Yamanaka?
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I'm going to start you from square one given the actual revamp of the techniques and the Yamanaka rules.
Even though there are few techniques, I am still going to use the method system as there are variations in the type of techniques that exist for Yamanaka. With the new rules of engagement as well, there are things I want to clarify and give you the opportunity to ask about if things seem unclear.
Methods
Rules of Engagement
Consciousness Swap/Movement
Body Control
Sensory
Misc.
There are really only about two or three techniques per method. Some are the same but on a larger scale as you go up in rank so you're not really going to see a variation in techniques much beyond rank splitting rules or a nuance or two. However, for ease, it'll be good to separate them.
Rules of Engagement
I will not reiterate everything in the post since I made the post in the Yamanaka thread for a reason. There are three sections to that post relating to: The Yamanaka casting their techniques, adversaries defending/combating Yamanakas, and Contingencies for those with elevated spiritual prowess.
Casting - in a nutshell, the higher your opponent's ninja rank is, relative to your own, the harder it is for you to control them with your technique. Likewise, the weaker they are relative to your rank, the easier it will be. In any case, after a set amount of time, if you are still holding control with your technique you'll be granted full autonomy.
Breaking - Again, higher ranked opponents possess the ability to use K.I as a canon method to deter you. Weaker opponents will most likely need a custom mechanism to keep you at bay so you are better off looking for the weaker people.
Spiritual Contingencies - You have Yin Release and your opponent doesn't? Great! You don't have Yin Release but your opponent does? Good ****ing Luck. You both have Yin Release? mmk.
Any questions about the general idea or the specifics regarding the rules of engagement?
Even though there are few techniques, I am still going to use the method system as there are variations in the type of techniques that exist for Yamanaka. With the new rules of engagement as well, there are things I want to clarify and give you the opportunity to ask about if things seem unclear.
Methods
Rules of Engagement
Consciousness Swap/Movement
Body Control
Sensory
Misc.
There are really only about two or three techniques per method. Some are the same but on a larger scale as you go up in rank so you're not really going to see a variation in techniques much beyond rank splitting rules or a nuance or two. However, for ease, it'll be good to separate them.
Rules of Engagement
I will not reiterate everything in the post since I made the post in the Yamanaka thread for a reason. There are three sections to that post relating to: The Yamanaka casting their techniques, adversaries defending/combating Yamanakas, and Contingencies for those with elevated spiritual prowess.
Casting - in a nutshell, the higher your opponent's ninja rank is, relative to your own, the harder it is for you to control them with your technique. Likewise, the weaker they are relative to your rank, the easier it will be. In any case, after a set amount of time, if you are still holding control with your technique you'll be granted full autonomy.
Breaking - Again, higher ranked opponents possess the ability to use K.I as a canon method to deter you. Weaker opponents will most likely need a custom mechanism to keep you at bay so you are better off looking for the weaker people.
Spiritual Contingencies - You have Yin Release and your opponent doesn't? Great! You don't have Yin Release but your opponent does? Good ****ing Luck. You both have Yin Release? mmk.
Any questions about the general idea or the specifics regarding the rules of engagement?
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Ok, Pop Quiz
Let's say you tried to use any Yamanaka technique on me (Mind Body Switch or whatever) at your current rank. From a "who has what abilities in-game" standpoint in game, how effective do you think you'd be and why?
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I wouldn't be too effective, but could do some things. I'd only be able to make you do free form actions and nothing that would actually cause harm to you on a fatal level.
Release wise, you'd be able to do that easily. Usually 1 rank higher than me would need killing intent or something of that sort, but you being what, 3 ranks higher than me AND being a Yin master, you'd just need to use a move slot to Will me out of your body. So I'd be very close to 100% ineffective against you specifically.
Release wise, you'd be able to do that easily. Usually 1 rank higher than me would need killing intent or something of that sort, but you being what, 3 ranks higher than me AND being a Yin master, you'd just need to use a move slot to Will me out of your body. So I'd be very close to 100% ineffective against you specifically.
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Now re reading the techniques, the main oke doesn't limit me like that, but a different one does
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(Shinranshin no Jutsu ) - Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Idk why i keep confusing the two lol But yeah this one let's you disturb their nervous system, not send your conscious. We can control them this way but it has its limits; Such as only Free form on a higher rank etc.
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So that's in a specific technique and not the rules of engagement, right?
The point of my last question was to point out that the constraints in the rules of engagement don't mention anywhere that you're restricted to free form when dealing with higher ranked opponents. You were getting ahead of yourself and going into the techniques when all I want from you right now is to worry about where we're at right now.
To clarify, the hierarchy for Yamanaka techniques are: RoE < Technique specific restrictions. The default for all techniques are the RoE. If a technique possesses its own set of restrictions, then those restrictions trump whatever is identified in the rules of engagement. The RoE are the baseline so to speak.
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Jutsu A allows you to move your mind into the body of your opponent while leaving your body helpless. You can control physical movements and cast jutsu while in the target's body. There is no note telling the level of jutsu you can use from the beginning to the end of the technique
Jutsu B allows you to control the body of your opponent while maintaining your own consciousness and body freedom. You can force your enemy to perform physical actions and cast jutsu. THere is no note telling the level of jutsu you can make your opponent use nor what techniques you can use while holding the target.
Jutsu C allows you to control the body of your opponent while maintaining your own consciousness and body freedom. You can only force your opponent to perform physical actions if they are above your rank. If they are equal rank, you can make them use A-rank jutsu and if they are weaker ranked than you, you have full autonomy. However, you cannot use jutsu above B-rank in your own body while using this jutsu.
You use each of these jutsu in three different scenarios:
Scenario 1 - you use Jutsu A on an opponent equal to you in rank
Scenario 2 - you use Jutsu B on an opponent of lower rank than you
Scenario 3 - you use Jutsu C on an opponent of higher rank than you
In each scenario, what are your restrictions?
The point of my last question was to point out that the constraints in the rules of engagement don't mention anywhere that you're restricted to free form when dealing with higher ranked opponents. You were getting ahead of yourself and going into the techniques when all I want from you right now is to worry about where we're at right now.
To clarify, the hierarchy for Yamanaka techniques are: RoE < Technique specific restrictions. The default for all techniques are the RoE. If a technique possesses its own set of restrictions, then those restrictions trump whatever is identified in the rules of engagement. The RoE are the baseline so to speak.
Examples
Jutsu A allows you to move your mind into the body of your opponent while leaving your body helpless. You can control physical movements and cast jutsu while in the target's body. There is no note telling the level of jutsu you can use from the beginning to the end of the technique
Jutsu B allows you to control the body of your opponent while maintaining your own consciousness and body freedom. You can force your enemy to perform physical actions and cast jutsu. THere is no note telling the level of jutsu you can make your opponent use nor what techniques you can use while holding the target.
Jutsu C allows you to control the body of your opponent while maintaining your own consciousness and body freedom. You can only force your opponent to perform physical actions if they are above your rank. If they are equal rank, you can make them use A-rank jutsu and if they are weaker ranked than you, you have full autonomy. However, you cannot use jutsu above B-rank in your own body while using this jutsu.
You use each of these jutsu in three different scenarios:
Scenario 1 - you use Jutsu A on an opponent equal to you in rank
Scenario 2 - you use Jutsu B on an opponent of lower rank than you
Scenario 3 - you use Jutsu C on an opponent of higher rank than you
In each scenario, what are your restrictions?
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Yeah i low key jumped the gun lol
Scenarios 1 and 2 seems pretty much the same when it comes to restrictions. Neither have notes outlining specific restrictions, so I'd be going by the default RoE whenever i use them.
Scenario 3 firstly would leave my body only capable of using B rank and below techniques while active, seeing as it is specifically stated within the restrictions. Also on someone higher rank, i.e. you, i can only force you to do physical actions. Doesn't say if they are chakra based physical actions or free form, but since not stated I'd go with anything physical, such as chakra enhanced taijutsu. On someone my exact rank, i can control them to even do A rank or lower techniques of any kind. While someone at a lower rank would fall victim to me having 100% control.
Scenarios 1 and 2 seems pretty much the same when it comes to restrictions. Neither have notes outlining specific restrictions, so I'd be going by the default RoE whenever i use them.
Scenario 3 firstly would leave my body only capable of using B rank and below techniques while active, seeing as it is specifically stated within the restrictions. Also on someone higher rank, i.e. you, i can only force you to do physical actions. Doesn't say if they are chakra based physical actions or free form, but since not stated I'd go with anything physical, such as chakra enhanced taijutsu. On someone my exact rank, i can control them to even do A rank or lower techniques of any kind. While someone at a lower rank would fall victim to me having 100% control.
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You're vague. I'm going to give you the answer since I've left you waiting for nearly two weeks and don't want to waste more time.
In the first two scenarios you are bound by the RoE corresponding to the rank of your opponent.
The first scenario with jutsu A you are dealing with an opponent equal in rank. You can only use techniques A-rank and below for the first three turns of the jutsu. Once three turns has transpired, you have full autonomy over their body and can perform techniques of any rank within restriction.
The second scenario with jutsu B you are dealing with an opponent lower ranked than you. Since there is no specified restriction you have two potential restrictions. If the opponent is 1 rank below you, you can only use S-rank and below techniques. Likewise, you can only make your opponent use S-rank and below techniques. If you are dealing with an opponent 2 ranks or more below you, then you have full autonomy. Remember, however, that in the first case this restriction is only for the first three turns. After three turns of holding your opponent you gain full control.
With the third scenario you're almost completely correct. The one restriction that is set in stone regardless of what rank your opponent is, is that you cannot use techniques above B-rank. Since your opponent, in this case, is higher ranked than you. You can only make them do physical actions. Since I was vague in that regard what I mean by "physical actions" was freeform taijutsu or non-chakra taijutsu techniques. Equal rank to you, you'd be able to use A-rank and below and if they were lower ranked than you, you'd gain full control.
There are a few things to note with the last jutsu and scenario as well. The first thing to note is that in the jutsu I gave specific circumstances for each rank your opponent was relative to your own without a time limit. What This means is, no matter how long the jutsu transpires, you can only perform the actions and jutsu. The three turn rule in the RoE does not come into play. Secondly, where you normally have two considerations for lower ranked opponents (1 rank below and 2+ ranks below) in the RoE, you only have one standard for this technique. Any member below you is basically your ***** until they break.
Does all of this make sense?
Do you have any follow up questions?
In the first two scenarios you are bound by the RoE corresponding to the rank of your opponent.
The first scenario with jutsu A you are dealing with an opponent equal in rank. You can only use techniques A-rank and below for the first three turns of the jutsu. Once three turns has transpired, you have full autonomy over their body and can perform techniques of any rank within restriction.
The second scenario with jutsu B you are dealing with an opponent lower ranked than you. Since there is no specified restriction you have two potential restrictions. If the opponent is 1 rank below you, you can only use S-rank and below techniques. Likewise, you can only make your opponent use S-rank and below techniques. If you are dealing with an opponent 2 ranks or more below you, then you have full autonomy. Remember, however, that in the first case this restriction is only for the first three turns. After three turns of holding your opponent you gain full control.
With the third scenario you're almost completely correct. The one restriction that is set in stone regardless of what rank your opponent is, is that you cannot use techniques above B-rank. Since your opponent, in this case, is higher ranked than you. You can only make them do physical actions. Since I was vague in that regard what I mean by "physical actions" was freeform taijutsu or non-chakra taijutsu techniques. Equal rank to you, you'd be able to use A-rank and below and if they were lower ranked than you, you'd gain full control.
There are a few things to note with the last jutsu and scenario as well. The first thing to note is that in the jutsu I gave specific circumstances for each rank your opponent was relative to your own without a time limit. What This means is, no matter how long the jutsu transpires, you can only perform the actions and jutsu. The three turn rule in the RoE does not come into play. Secondly, where you normally have two considerations for lower ranked opponents (1 rank below and 2+ ranks below) in the RoE, you only have one standard for this technique. Any member below you is basically your ***** until they break.
Does all of this make sense?
Do you have any follow up questions?