after the last manga when people saw obito blitzing almost everyone. some stupid fanboys want their favorite character to be fast aswell, after underrating speed for the last 600 chapters they got a sudden change of heart
after the last manga when people saw obito blitzing almost everyone. some stupid fanboys want their favorite character to be fast aswell, after underrating speed for the last 600 chapters they got a sudden change of heart
he could keep up with kurama cloaked naruto and bee at the same time....who is top 2 among the fasrest list!
after that people still downplay his speed?
Anyway its funny when people say shunshin isn't included in the DB stats for speed.
This is the definition for speed in the DB
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Swiftness of movement and reaction speed.
If you note, this swiftness of movement has to be shunshin as that is something that almost every shinobi uses and its one of the reasons why in the DB definition the users are.
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al.
Next if you look at the db entry for shunshin, its rather clear what this swiftness of movement is.
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point
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Shisui the shinobi with the greatest hype for shunshin was like an older brother to Itachi. I am positive that itachi's prowess in genjutsu was due to shusi, along with his shunshin as i believed they trained together.
Next you cannot get a 5 for reaction time if you swiftness of movement is dull.
Reaction time = awareness + body movement.
Itachi having the maximum shouldn't even be argued.
Is he fast, yes.
Are there people with greater shunshin, yes.
Sasuke's speed was never described as godlike. Only his shunshin was which is ninjutsu, having nothing to do with the speed category which represent reflexive speed
Though past uncovered that there is no point in lecturing you, I'm inclined to do so once more, as regarding this matter, you've got a fundamentally wrong understanding of certain contents.
Unlike your adventurous beliefs, Soku - the speed category - refers not only to reflexes, but also physical quick- and swiftness; two aspects that were clearly differentiated early on [
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His reflexes, though also being part of that score, are already a given trait due to his Sharingan. In the first place, Itachi's full score at Soku ascribes him god-like speed. Talking of which; that description solely refers to Sasuke's basic speed, which at that point, was below Itachi's. Shunshin isn't even mentioned once [
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Regarding the thread itself, those feats are unnoticed for a reason; they're nothing special and by far not enough to justify Itachi's extraordinary speed. Throughout the entire story, his true speed was demonstrated on various else occasions.
Nice job florigori and blaze for clearing that up. But as I said before the feats I listed are nothing special nor nothing to brag about just simply going in depth of his speed.
Guys i hope you realise that people like Lee, Kimimaro and Deidara have almost the maximal note in "speed" when they never use shunshin at all. Lee for example can't even use shunshin at all
Blaze talk about swiftness of movement as shunshin. Not quite. Swiftness of movement has nothing to do with shunshin. It's more like Floriglorii said. How physical quick a shinobi can be. Sorry for not totally explaining what i meant by reflexive speed though. For me reflexive speed doesn't only mean reaction speed, but also the physical quickness of a shinobi, so basically, i agree with what you say on the matter Floriglori
I'll just leave an example from the kage summit
f you want the translation, it's closely along these lines:
Ēi: One down…
Sfx :--( Stare) or (Glare)--
Ēi: You and your Sharingan mean nothing to me!
Shī: Raikage-Sama's reflexive speed are comparable to the late Yellow Flash...I'm impressed those three can even keep up.
Like you can see, Shi is surprised Sasuke and co are capable to keep up with him, and here he is talking about his reflexive speed. On this panel, he isn't talking about reaction speed, but Raikage's quickness of movement. So basically Reflexive speed involves both
Now talking about the difference between reflexive speed and shunshin, i'd explain
Introduction of True Speed
Let us see what makes people think KCM Naruto is about as fast as it gets:
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Now as you can see during those scans there are several references to the Yellow Flash, Naruto's Dad, comparing him to Naruto as far as there speed goes. Raikage blatently says that there is only 1 person to even dodge his Super Speed Punch other than Naruto and that is Minato.
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Now as you can see Minato dodging the Fourths Super Speed punch doesnt have much to do with real speed as much as it has to do with the Hiraishin. But nonetheless the 3rd still referred to it as speed, but perhaps what he meant wasnt physical speed but more so the speed of Minato's reflex's. Much like when Rock Lee said:
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Simply the fact that Minato's was fast enough to see the attack and react was a feat enough!
What is Speed
Now if Naruto dodging the Raikages attack wasnt pure speed then what could it have been, well its a technique we all know of:
The Body Flicker Technique referred to in this scan as "Teleportation"
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The Body Flicker Jutsu aka Shunshin No Jutsu, is when a ninja super charges there body with chakra allowing them to move at very high speeds for a short period of time. The faster the person, the more distance they can cover while using it. Even Shisui was so skilled at this that he was known as Shisui of the mirage, or shisui of the Body Flicker. [
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And it is because of the Kyubi's potent Chakra that when Naruto uses the Body Flicker technique, he as able to move alot faster than normal, with speeds compared to Minato.
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One last thing I want to comment on is the fact that the sign of someone being skilled with the body flicker technique is the distance they can cover during the same span of time as others. For Instance, compare Kabuto's Body Flicker and even Sasuke's to the distance Minato covered with his body flicker technique.
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Like I said before ones speed and skill with Shunshin allows you to move a further distance during the same short period of time as others, with this in mind if someone could move 100ft in 2 seconds and another person could move 200ft in 2 seconds, then it stands to reason that the 2nd person can move 100ft in 1second, thus moving faster than the first person. This is reflected in the Scan above where Minato has already arrived by the time the other Hokages arrive on the scene
What is True Speed
But the Body Flicker itself is not what real speed is, the technique itself is something all ninja make good use of and generally speaking they all move at the same rate when doing it, more or less.
Now True speed is the reflex, the split second it takes for you to see the attack coming and then dodge it. That is what I believe is being refered to when ninja speak of speed and how fast a ninja is. Its not the fact that they dodged the attack, it is the fact that they only had less than a second to see the attack coming and then react accordingly.
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Think about it like this, if you were a boxer, and there was a 2 second delay between what you saw and when you can move, or better yet if it took 2 seconds for what you saw to reach your eyes, then frankly speaking, it doesnt matter how fast you are, you would still get hit by everything that comes your way.
Now what if everyone around you had that 2 second delay, and you were the only one without it? Now you may not be as fast as the others, but thanks to your quick reflexes you are border line untouchable... And that is what we have here.
I should also give credit to FearxDeath, who created the thread on the matter
@Bogard i cannot compute half of what you have made and to me, it seems like you are just waffling tbh. Though some of your claims are canonically incorrect. This swiftness described in the db is for shunshin
@Bogard i cannot compute half of what you have made and to me, it seems like you are just waffling tbh. Though some of your claims are canonically incorrect. This swiftness described in the db is for shunshin
Not really. Like Florigiri said, it's basically "how quick a shinobi physically move". Shunshin is like i've said is when a ninja super charges there body with chakra allowing them to move at very high speeds for a short period of time. Now if you're still not convinced, i'd like you to explain the Lee case then
Not really. Like Florigiri said, it's basically "how quick a shinobi physically move". Shunshin is like i've said is when a ninja super charges there body with chakra allowing them to move at very high speeds for a short period of time. Now if you're still not convinced, i'd like you to explain the Lee case then
Not really. Like Florigiri said, it's basically "how quick a shinobi physically move". Shunshin is like i've said is when a ninja super charges there body with chakra allowing them to move at very high speeds for a short period of time. Now if you're still not convinced, i'd like you to explain the Lee case then
I have my own definition of reflexes or as you call it reflexive speed.
Every shinobi augments their speed, either through the use of stamina which forms the base of chakra for taijutsu users like lee, gai and part 1 sasuke who copied lee's taijutsu.
At the same time lee/gai through the use of gates increase their physicality in all areas through the use of chakra.
This augmentation may come in many forms and while it may not refer to 'shunshin' for lee for example for shinobi's that use the shunshin augmentation this 'swiftness' of speed refers to them.
Hiraishin even has been described as swiftness that surpasses that of shunshin
I know the first part is from Narutopedia I see the sources and the other part is based on his one instance of Kurenai. It was never actually stated in a databook or within the manga that he could do it over great distances like you claimed. But it does seem he could reach any distance that he could knock an enemy back to so I'll give you that one, I still disagree that it meant at any distance.
"The Body Flicker Technique is a high-speed movement technique, allowing a ninja to move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed.[2] To an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported. A puff of smoke is occasionally used to disguise the user's movements. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination."
