Yami Silver
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Yes, I am butthurt. Here we go.
Toei releasing BoG and Revival of Frieza made the first 25 episodes of Super redundant.
Revival of F had no real meaning to the series. Frieza shows up, Frieza dies, the end.
Toriyama forgets how strong his characters are:
Piccolo having trouble with that Zarbon-level guy Tagoma but in the Cell Saga, he surpassed the androids after going into the hyperbolic time chamber. Surely Piccolo could have wiped out the entire army in a short amount of time.
Although I love Roshi, and his fight scenes were cool, he shouldn't be that strong. He is not even as strong as Teen Goku; how can he defeat so many members of Frieza's army who all would have been able to easily conquer Earth all those years ago. I call fan service.
Son ****ing Gohan. 7 years after the Cell Saga, Gohan was able to turn Super Saiyan with ease, and Super Saiyan 2 if he wanted with not much trouble. In fact, the whole point of Gohan's training in the Cell Saga was that Super Saiyan meant nothing to him; it had no drawbacks and he could access it whenever he wanted to. Now, it's been 5ish years since the Buu Saga and it gives him trouble to enter the first form. Hell, even in BoG he could easily transform.
Never mind Super Saiyan, what about his potential being fully unlocked? Before Battle of Gods, Gohan was the most powerful character alive. Yes, far stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. The power up made his Super Saiyan abilities useless because it is impossible to surpass one's full potential. Thus, transforming shouldn't have any impact on him (if it did, he would have done it against Buu). Yes, I know Gohan shouldn't be able to stand up to Beerus or Frieza, but he should have been able to wipe out Frieza's army in a joke. How can your potential fade? It's there to stay. He shouldn't have lost power.
Another point to be made is that Super Saiyan Blue is completely unnecessary. What was the point in adding it? IT would have made sense if it was weaker than Super Saiyan God, because it would have been Goku/Vegeta tapping into their God power. That would have been completely fine. Pretty good, even. But no, Super confirmed it was stronger than Super Saiyan God. There was no need (besides branding - I'll admit it does look cool but it is so obvious it's just trying to appeal to the eyes).
The plot just seems kinda... lame in comparison to DBZ. DBZ was a lot darker, the climaxes of the arcs were spectacular because although you knew who would win, more often than not they ended it in an unexpected way. Now, it's just: Oh, new threat? No worries, Goku and Vegeta are Gods; no problem. There is barely any sense of danger. Beerus gave a bit of it, so I will give him that, but my impression of the Frieza arc gave off that vibe.
The new games suck. Give us a Budokai Tenkaichi 3 remake; it's what we all want. Throw in create-your-own character and boom: good game. Tenkaichi 3 had the most characters of any DBZ game, story mode played out like it should have, and the fighting itself was somewhat tactical. Also, they looked like how DBZ fights should look. Raging Blast looks too shiny.
Every character besides Goku and Vegeta (and kinda Bulma) are completely useless and stall for time for the major key characters. Yes, I will admit, 1 or two characters have always had the spotlight, but it was constantly changing. Android Saga's strongest character: Goku, then Vegeta shows up as Super Saiyan, then the Androids kick ass, then Piccolo fuses with Kami, then Cell absorbs the androids, then Trunks goes Ultra but still loses, then back to Cell and Gohan takes it finally.
Another example, Buu Saga (which is my least favourite, but whatever): We start out knowing Gohan is the strongest, then Dabura comes along, then Vegeta and Goku go Super Saiyan 2, then Buu comes, then Super Saiyan 3, but it has limits, then Super Buu comes along and Gotenks matches him (yes, Gotenks > Goku in power). Gohan ends up being the strongest and Goku and Vegeta get rid of Buu with help from Fat Buu and Hercule and the Dragonballs.
My point is, only 3 protagonists are useful now. Nobody else can even support, that's how far behind they are - they just kind of fill empty space.
Ultimately, it all seems like fan-service to maximise profits by milking their most prominent cash cow.
Rant over. Please discuss.
EDIT: Rant not over, the hyperbolic time chamber rules were broken in the last chapter: one can only enter twice, yet this is both Goku and Vegeta's third time. You could work around this by saying since it was destroyed, everyone gets a reset, but you shouldn't have to infer such things from Dragonball.
Toei releasing BoG and Revival of Frieza made the first 25 episodes of Super redundant.
Revival of F had no real meaning to the series. Frieza shows up, Frieza dies, the end.
Toriyama forgets how strong his characters are:
Piccolo having trouble with that Zarbon-level guy Tagoma but in the Cell Saga, he surpassed the androids after going into the hyperbolic time chamber. Surely Piccolo could have wiped out the entire army in a short amount of time.
Although I love Roshi, and his fight scenes were cool, he shouldn't be that strong. He is not even as strong as Teen Goku; how can he defeat so many members of Frieza's army who all would have been able to easily conquer Earth all those years ago. I call fan service.
Son ****ing Gohan. 7 years after the Cell Saga, Gohan was able to turn Super Saiyan with ease, and Super Saiyan 2 if he wanted with not much trouble. In fact, the whole point of Gohan's training in the Cell Saga was that Super Saiyan meant nothing to him; it had no drawbacks and he could access it whenever he wanted to. Now, it's been 5ish years since the Buu Saga and it gives him trouble to enter the first form. Hell, even in BoG he could easily transform.
Never mind Super Saiyan, what about his potential being fully unlocked? Before Battle of Gods, Gohan was the most powerful character alive. Yes, far stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. The power up made his Super Saiyan abilities useless because it is impossible to surpass one's full potential. Thus, transforming shouldn't have any impact on him (if it did, he would have done it against Buu). Yes, I know Gohan shouldn't be able to stand up to Beerus or Frieza, but he should have been able to wipe out Frieza's army in a joke. How can your potential fade? It's there to stay. He shouldn't have lost power.
Another point to be made is that Super Saiyan Blue is completely unnecessary. What was the point in adding it? IT would have made sense if it was weaker than Super Saiyan God, because it would have been Goku/Vegeta tapping into their God power. That would have been completely fine. Pretty good, even. But no, Super confirmed it was stronger than Super Saiyan God. There was no need (besides branding - I'll admit it does look cool but it is so obvious it's just trying to appeal to the eyes).
The plot just seems kinda... lame in comparison to DBZ. DBZ was a lot darker, the climaxes of the arcs were spectacular because although you knew who would win, more often than not they ended it in an unexpected way. Now, it's just: Oh, new threat? No worries, Goku and Vegeta are Gods; no problem. There is barely any sense of danger. Beerus gave a bit of it, so I will give him that, but my impression of the Frieza arc gave off that vibe.
The new games suck. Give us a Budokai Tenkaichi 3 remake; it's what we all want. Throw in create-your-own character and boom: good game. Tenkaichi 3 had the most characters of any DBZ game, story mode played out like it should have, and the fighting itself was somewhat tactical. Also, they looked like how DBZ fights should look. Raging Blast looks too shiny.
Every character besides Goku and Vegeta (and kinda Bulma) are completely useless and stall for time for the major key characters. Yes, I will admit, 1 or two characters have always had the spotlight, but it was constantly changing. Android Saga's strongest character: Goku, then Vegeta shows up as Super Saiyan, then the Androids kick ass, then Piccolo fuses with Kami, then Cell absorbs the androids, then Trunks goes Ultra but still loses, then back to Cell and Gohan takes it finally.
Another example, Buu Saga (which is my least favourite, but whatever): We start out knowing Gohan is the strongest, then Dabura comes along, then Vegeta and Goku go Super Saiyan 2, then Buu comes, then Super Saiyan 3, but it has limits, then Super Buu comes along and Gotenks matches him (yes, Gotenks > Goku in power). Gohan ends up being the strongest and Goku and Vegeta get rid of Buu with help from Fat Buu and Hercule and the Dragonballs.
My point is, only 3 protagonists are useful now. Nobody else can even support, that's how far behind they are - they just kind of fill empty space.
Ultimately, it all seems like fan-service to maximise profits by milking their most prominent cash cow.
Rant over. Please discuss.
EDIT: Rant not over, the hyperbolic time chamber rules were broken in the last chapter: one can only enter twice, yet this is both Goku and Vegeta's third time. You could work around this by saying since it was destroyed, everyone gets a reset, but you shouldn't have to infer such things from Dragonball.
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