[Debate] my Faith dilemma...

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if my enligsh was very good i would wrote book about it...

but i now i try make long story very short..

teh dilemma of my faith....

i used to be religious..i alwys thought holy book was truth...ands religion is 100% my true guide....untill i start reading about filosofie...in filosofie u have rite to doubt and kestion everyting ...someting wasn't availabe in my previous religion..my curiosity start alarming so i start undstand that brain and mind have power above everyting....

slowly and slowly my mind start rejecting many religious beliefs tho even tho me didn't want to reject them.. (btw if i talk about me...there isn't just one me...but lot of MEs)....

anyway..

then wit flow of time i started realising that religions might not tell truth....i mean God knows well i wanna believe in him i even do my best...but he just not willling to help me..

slowly i start become atheist even tho i dont wanna be atheist..

then i startd accepting my new me teh atheist me...i thought maybe by being atheist i can find mind and heart and soul peaces...maybe i can find some truth at least....but guess what???...

after being atheist life start become like nightmare....teh amount kestions i used to suspect religions and god are just half teh amount of kestions i started doubting about atheism and non god existence...

if god don't exist then why this universe is so in harmony...it must have been created by someone....when i see monaliza of leonardo da vinci i dont say : " Oh my god what beautiful painting"...but rather i say " oh my god who drawed this beautiful painting!!!.."..

im lost in in endless labyrith cuz i just realized atheism was never my salvation...so plz god if u there exsit help me believe in you..will ya????..
 

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God exists. This is a positive claim. As such it requires positive evidence. Is there any phenomena in the universe that would support the existence of God? No there is zero phenomena to support the existence of God. Hence God does not exist in reality. He only exists in the fantasy world created by the minds of humans.

Harmony and Chaos are man made concepts. They fall apart in the larger scale of the universe. Humans adapted to the universe by evolution, not the other way round. The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us humans.

So it is best to consider what you have and live happily with it.
 

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Religious scripts are full of encrypted knowledge and for that I take them seriously. Religious people, however I never take seriously and have never had a level-headed conversation with any of them.
 

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There is a psycholgist, a modern thinker called mr Peterson who is religious.
People consider him philosophical even though he is faithful too.



Nobody knows everything.
So you don't need to have all the answers.
You don't need to not have faith just because people give you a bunch of weird dilemmas.

And also I'm sry if I'm the one who gives you riddles in your head.

Have you seen Inception? The guy is filled with ideas and thoughts and all kinds of stuff and ready to blow his head up if he is wrong about what's reality.

Then at the end he doesn't even care to know anymore, because he is finally happy so it doesn't even matter.
 
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Can a finite be eternal, if not then there's an eternal behind the finite. If not we would end up with a cycle of infinite regression. There is no doubt there is a God, even if people throw reason out of the window.
 

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Can a finite be eternal, if not then there's an eternal behind the finite. If not we would end up with a cycle of infinite regression. There is no doubt there is a God, even if people throw reason out of the window.
Isn't our mathematically perpetual nature infinite? (ugh what a sentence lol)

Why does there have to be a beginning to something that eternally births, grows, bears fruits, dies, becomes nourishment for the next generation and the cycle repeats.

Plus, the interpretation of God is crucical. An omniscient overlord is the interpretation of simpletons.
 

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Isn't our mathematically perpetual nature infinite? (ugh what a sentence lol)

Why does there have to be a beginning to something that eternally births, grows, bears fruits, dies, becomes nourishment for the next generation and the cycle repeats.

Plus, the interpretation of God is crucical. An omniscient overlord is the interpretation of simpletons.
Not quite, that which originates requires materials, it doesn't just come from non existent into existence. Also, an eternal constant doesn't undergo change, the fact it does shows it's not infinite or eternal.
 

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Not quite, that which originates requires materials, it doesn't just come from non existent into existence. Also, an eternal constant doesn't undergo change, the fact it does shows it's not infinite or eternal.
You're not grasping the concept

The foundation of the physical world, including sound/frequencies, has its foundation in math formations. The sequence is perpetual, never-ending, if you will. It doesn't truly end, so it doesn't really have to start from nothing. The same could be said of life after death being a door to another experience, albeit speculation ofcourse. Anywho, like I said; Nature shows the process of perpetual life and death scenarios so I don't see how there needs to be a man-made creator involved.
If anything, people should worship nature and the sun for giving us light and life. Which is probably where the the bible verse of Jezus supposedly saying; "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. ... When I am in the world, I am the Light of the World. " Not to mention the correlation of every religion out there and sunworship + psychedelics.


The book "The Mathematics of the Gods and the Algorithms of Men" is a good introduction.

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You're not grasping the concept

The foundation of the physical world, including sound/frequencies, has its foundation in math formations. The sequence is perpetual, never-ending, if you will. It doesn't truly end, so it doesn't really have to start from nothing. The same could be said of life after death being a door to another experience, albeit speculation ofcourse. Anywho, like I said; Nature shows the process of perpetual life and death scenarios so I don't see how there needs to be a man-made creator involved.
If anything, people should worship nature and the sun for giving us light and life. Which is probably where the the bible verse of Jezus supposedly saying; "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. ... When I am in the world, I am the Light of the World. " Not to mention the correlation of every religion out there and sunworship + psychedelics.


The book "The Mathematics of the Gods and the Algorithms of Men" is a good introduction.

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Religion isn't a science, cus it it was it wouldn't be a religion.
 

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Religion isn't a science, cus it it was it wouldn't be a religion.
I think that religious scripts are full of scientific facts. I read somewhere years ago that the Qur'an mentions the process of a human embryo in various stages and other biological phenomena they shouldn't have been aware of at that time. All religious scripts have astrology at their base which is another scientific branch.

If only we could dive into the Library of Alexandria before it was burned down. And I'd love to see the library at the pedo den- I mean The Vatican
 
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I think that religious scripts are full of scientific facts. I read somewhere years ago that the Qur'an mentions the process of a human embryo in various stages and other biological phenomena they shouldn't have been aware of at that time. All religious scripts have astrology at their base which is another scientific branch.

If only we could dive into the Library of Alexandria before it was burned down. And I'd love to see the library at the pedo den- I mean The Vatican
Nobody becomes religious because they want to learn about science.
If you want to learn about science go ahead, you don't need the bible to do so.
Religions have been used to explain world creation and since nobody has the answers it's plausbile these things have offered comfort or just been cool stories but in either way religion is not a science, the science in religion argument is garbage, the number 23 and the golden measuremnt da vincn code all of that is crap, things don't need religion to be explained, and because you can't explain things you don't need religion.
 

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Nobody becomes religious because they want to learn about science.
If you want to learn about science go ahead, you don't need the bible to do so.
Religions have been used to explain world creation and since nobody has the answers it's plausbile these things have offered comfort or just been cool stories but in either way religion is not a science, the science in religion argument is garbage, the number 23 and the golden measuremnt da vincn code all of that is crap, things don't need religion to be explained, and because you can't explain things you don't need religion.
You're barking at the wrong tree, bro xd

I'm not religious nor a believer in god. I'm just saying that there is more to religious scripts than the gullible people that blindly identify themselves with these scripts. Read my first post on this thread
 

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Religion is cancer it's created more bigotry than anything else.

Look at the Holocaust and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Perhaps the two most disgusting acts in the history of the human race and both were "justified" because of religion.
 

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You're barking at the wrong tree, bro xd

I'm not religious nor a believer in god. I'm just saying that there is more to religious scripts than the gullible people that blindly identify themselves with these scripts. Read my first post on this thread
bro temon is human bing not dog...i mean u r nice man but sometimes i noticed u not controll what u say..
Religion is cancer it's created more bigotry than anything else.

Look at the Holocaust and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Perhaps the two most disgusting acts in the history of the human race and both were "justified" because of religion.
don't be too hasty...it's not too long befor truth of ultimate truth shall be revealed..
 

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Is it time to dig up ancient Sanskrit texts, again?

नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् |
किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥

न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेतः |
आनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्धान्यन्न परः किञ्चनास ॥२॥

तम आसीत्तमसा गूहळमग्रे प्रकेतं सलिलं सर्वाऽइदम् |
तुच्छ्येनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिनाजायतैकम् ॥३॥

कामस्तदग्रे समवर्तताधि मनसो रेतः प्रथमं यदासीत् |
सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयो मनीषा ॥४॥

तिरश्चीनो विततो रश्मिरेषामधः स्विदासीदुपरि स्विदासीत् |
रेतोधा आसन्महिमान आसन्त्स्वधा अवस्तात्प्रयतिः परस्तात् ॥५॥

को अद्धा वेद क इह प्र वोचत्कुत आजाता कुत इयं विसृष्टिः |
अर्वाग्देवा अस्य विसर्जनेनाथा को वेद यत आबभूव ॥६॥

इयं विसृष्टिर्यत आबभूव यदि वा दधे यदि वा न |
यो अस्याध्यक्षः परमे व्योमन्त्सो अङ्ग वेद यदि वा न वेद ॥७॥
Translation:

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined cosmic water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

In the beginning desire descended on it –
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the Devas (minor gods) themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows – or maybe even he does not know.

Nāsadīya sūkta , 129th sukta , 10th mandala, Rigveda.
 
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Is it time to dig up ancient Sanskrit texts, again?

नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् |
किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥

न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेतः |
आनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्धान्यन्न परः किञ्चनास ॥२॥

तम आसीत्तमसा गूहळमग्रे प्रकेतं सलिलं सर्वाऽइदम् |
तुच्छ्येनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिनाजायतैकम् ॥३॥

कामस्तदग्रे समवर्तताधि मनसो रेतः प्रथमं यदासीत् |
सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयो मनीषा ॥४॥

तिरश्चीनो विततो रश्मिरेषामधः स्विदासीदुपरि स्विदासीत् |
रेतोधा आसन्महिमान आसन्त्स्वधा अवस्तात्प्रयतिः परस्तात् ॥५॥

को अद्धा वेद क इह प्र वोचत्कुत आजाता कुत इयं विसृष्टिः |
अर्वाग्देवा अस्य विसर्जनेनाथा को वेद यत आबभूव ॥६॥

इयं विसृष्टिर्यत आबभूव यदि वा दधे यदि वा न |
यो अस्याध्यक्षः परमे व्योमन्त्सो अङ्ग वेद यदि वा न वेद ॥७॥
Translation:

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined cosmic water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

In the beginning desire descended on it –
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the Devas (minor gods) themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows – or maybe even he does not know.

Nāsadīya sūkta , 129th sukta , 10th mandala, Rigveda.
yesterday i was hiking in forrest and i accidently found archaic book where it was written :


in teh begining there was only nothing

then from nothing came something..


teh something turned back and told "nothing""

everything is me ..even you is just something


nothing said : am whole Universe you are nothing!!!

something : exactly!!!!! :oops::oops:..

nothing got mad and slaped something...

teh slap was so powerfull it gave birth to "everything"

everything : omg my parents are fighting i'll run and keep doing endless run...

so "everything" start runing and stretching till it become teh whole universe..

then one day "everything got stoped by by "apocalypse doom"..

everything : who are you??????...


apocalypse doom : i'm just start of reall life!!!!!!..
 

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yesterday i was hiking in forrest and y accidently found archaic book where it was written :


in teh begining there was only nothing

then from nothing came something..


teh something turned back and told "nothing""

everything is me ..even you is just something


nothing said : am whole Universe you are nothing!!!

something : exactly!!!!! :oops::oops:..

nothing got mad and slaped something...

teh slap was so powerfull it gave birth to "everything"

everything : omg my parents are fighting i'll run and keep doing endless run...

so "everything" start runing and stretching till it become teh whole universe..

then one day "everything got stoped by by "apocalypse doom"..

everything : who are you??????...


apocalypse doom : i'm just start of reall life!!!!!!..

You might have met the Black Zetsu kind spirit hiding in a tree there and that would explain strange books with such a negative text around. You should know better than roam in forests, you know. Who knows what tree is there waiting to grow that one fruit and needs to be fed for it. :eek:
 
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You might have met the Black Zetsu kind spirit hiding in a tree there and that would explain strange books with such a negative text around. You should know better than roam in forests, you know. Who knows what tree is there waiting to grow that one fruit and needs to be fed for it. :eek:
yes and i found apple on tree it was written

बहुत अच्छा दिमाग on it and i ate it...
 

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You're not grasping the concept

The foundation of the physical world, including sound/frequencies, has its foundation in math formations. The sequence is perpetual, never-ending, if you will. It doesn't truly end, so it doesn't really have to start from nothing. The same could be said of life after death being a door to another experience, albeit speculation ofcourse. Anywho, like I said; Nature shows the process of perpetual life and death scenarios so I don't see how there needs to be a man-made creator involved.
If anything, people should worship nature and the sun for giving us light and life. Which is probably where the the bible verse of Jezus supposedly saying; "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. ... When I am in the world, I am the Light of the World. " Not to mention the correlation of every religion out there and sunworship + psychedelics.


The book "The Mathematics of the Gods and the Algorithms of Men" is a good introduction.

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Sorry Bruh, I don't smoke weed.

Look at the Holocaust and the Atlantic Slave Trade.
I don't remember religion saying it was okay to exterminate the Jews or saying let's sell slavess because Africans are sub human or something like that?

I do know atheism (rather communist athiests) killed/was responsible for the deaths of 10s millions in the soviet union, Moa's China, Camboida etc. There death count makes the WWs seem like it's an everyday thing.

Edit: forgot to mention the mass killings of Indigenous Australians in the name of finding the missing link (taking their skulls), iirc.
 
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