Muu vs Minato

[Pretentious]

It depends on how many shadow clones Minato can make. Mu and his split half can each go invisible and make 4 people heavier. If minato can make 5 or 6 clones he wins

Irrelevant & self-sabotage.

Mū simply initiates elevation to a greater distance than Minato's perspective through Mujin Meisai + flight. Once the correct position is reached Mū ceases the quarrel with a Genbu Jinton.

Division would only hinder Mū.
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[blazekev90]

People still implying "Minato blitz" despite his failed attempts throughout manga. Smh.

Once Muu is airborne, he'd have a clear advantage. Minato lacks long distance offensives that would force Muu to reveal his location. Minato making clones in efforts to do so would serve no purpose and waste unnecessary chakra.

When Muu decides to use an offensive attack, in return revealing his whereabouts, Minato still lacks the firepower prevent him from going invisible again right after. Throwing a kunia is ridiculous. Also, sensing ability would allow him detect Minato's whereabouts as he tries to close the distance, and he'd go invisible for a possible stealth counterattack.

Minato dropping a toad could very well be countered, sensing+Gravity manipulation counters or sensing and simply flying downward and evading the toad.

 

[Beans2]

Nah. Sensing doesn't let you detect the original among a group of clones.



But at the end of the day that accomplishes nothing though. Minato realizes his clone is immobile somehow and dispels it and recreates it, and no chakra is lost when clones are dispelled so this won't tire Minato out.

How does Minato somehow realize the clone is immobile? Also dispelling the clone reveals the true Minato.

 

[Oblivionx]

Doesn't mu has to touch minato or clone to make him heavy? if so that's where mu gets blitzed. And ftg takes care of jinton. Ohnoki countered invisibility with clones so so can minato and minato himself is a sensor. Mu revealing himself for a split second will reveal his position. Wether he touches anyone or not, minato will sense him as he becomes visible to attack.

 

[Haizaki]

Mu has no chance of winning.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Minato somehow realize the clone is immobile? Also dispelling the clone reveals the true Minato.

The clone just alerts Minato. lmao. And dispelling the clone doesn't reveal the true Minato because Minato clearly isn't going to make just one clone, and even if it did, he makes more and then mixes with them and Mu is back to square one.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yes so your argument has a 25% success rate. Assuming he only calls up 3 Kage Bunshin instead of 10.

It's not even an argument. I don't even know the limit of clones from Minato. But yeah he should be able to make more than 4

 

[Beans2]

The clone just alerts Minato. lmao. And dispelling the clone doesn't reveal the true Minato because Minato clearly isn't going to make just one clone, and even if it did, he makes more and then mixes with them and Mu is back to square one.

I was gonna say you can't move your mouth when you're weighted down, but Edo Muu did it, so i'm going to modify my argument and say Muu splits while invisible, then one body attacks a clone. Minato will take out this invisible Muu the way you originally suggested and thinking he's won, dispel his remaining clones. Then he gets a sword through the heart.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was gonna say you can't move your mouth when you're weighted down, but Edo Muu did it, so i'm going to modify my argument and say Muu splits while invisible, then one body attacks a clone. Minato will take out this invisible Muu the way you originally suggested and thinking he's won, dispel his remaining clones. Then he gets a sword through the heart.

Lmao even if Edo Mu hadn't have done that in canon that'd be a reach to the stars and beyond. :lol

Anyway, Mu can't even use jutsu/manipulate chakra while invisible so Fission definitely isn't happening. So he'd see Mu split and know that he needs to kill 2 of them instead of just one. Or Mu just doesn't split at all and what I said above takes place and Mu dies.

 

[JStar King]

-Minato makes clones.
-Clones hold Kunai.
-If a clone gets killed Minato warps there in that instant and one shots invisible Mu as he'll know his location.

If Mu tries Jinton, he gets raped as he can't prepare it before Minato kills him nor can he escape after exposing his location.

Minato wins with ease.

But what if Muu goes invisible before the fight can begin? Is Minato a sensor?

 

[KidGamer65]

But what if Muu goes invisible before the fight can begin? Is Minato a sensor?

That is literally no different from what I described in that post.

 

[Booker]

How are people arguing for Muu?

Muu literally has no hope of tagging Minato. Even if you believe he can avoid Minato a few times, that doesn't mean he wins.

 

[Zexion~]

Cibum Cogitationis;

The manga referenced Ōnoki plausible of an Genbu-sized Jinton.

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Genbu size reference;

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Bear in mind Ōnoki's execution speed of Jinton, and the fifty meter stipulation -- Mū, if I'm unmistaken had been inherently more robust than his pupil with Jinton -- Displayed in their clash mid-war.

Said proposal: Mū supersedes Ōnoki's prior tour de force, implying a Jinton >Genbu can be assimilated, especially with said stipulations -- 50 meters.

Facilitating skillset; flight enabling Mū to reach distances greater than Minato's reach & invisibility/anti-chakra detection.

Cogitationes; Mū's presented skillset, conjunctive of set stipulations allows Mū leisure, debilitating Minato's "advantage" significantly. ​

You don't deserve a Johan avatar....

Nah. Sensing doesn't let you detect the original among a group of clones.

Okay so maybe its just something I never got but how hard is it to keep your eyes on the original? Its not like it moves so the original caster should still be in the same spot while the clones are around him.

 

[KidGamer65]

You don't deserve a Johan avatar....




Okay so maybe its just something I never got but how hard is it to keep your eyes on the original? Its not like it moves so the original caster should still be in the same spot while the clones are around him.

Considering it's a tactic that has failed every single time someone has gotten fooled by a clone user, most of the time Naruto, I'm going to go ahead and say that this strategy won't work here.

And who told you that Minato would make clones and not move or try to mix himself with said clones to confuse Mu? Lmao. There wouldn't be any point of making clones in the first place if he was just going to remain in the same position.

 

[Apêx1]

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Clones can dispel themselves and the knowledge then gets transferred to the original Minato.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not up for debate. Clones are Muu weakest Minato has clones and speed and an attack to knock Muu out. He isn't losing this.

 

[Beans2]

Lmao even if Edo Mu hadn't have done that in canon that'd be a reach to the stars and beyond. :lol

Anyway, Mu can't even use jutsu/manipulate chakra while invisible so Fission definitely isn't happening. So he'd see Mu split and know that he needs to kill 2 of them instead of just one. Or Mu just doesn't split at all and what I said above takes place and Mu dies.

-Muu can't use chakra techniques when he's suppressing his chakra.
-The process of going invisible is a chakra based technique.
-Therefore he can't be suppressing his chakra and going invisible at the same time.
-From this we can conclude that his chakra gets suppressed after he's completely finished manipulating water droplets, aka going invisible.

Based on this I think Muu's chakra suppression is a separate ability from his invisibility jutsu. That, and the DB description of the jutsu makes no mention of chakra suppression, all it says is he manipulates water droplets.

Therefore he can split while invisible as long as he's not suppressing chakra.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Null Man gets womped by FTG users, so Hiruzen also shits.

 

[blazekev90]

Not up for debate. Clones are Muu weakest Minato has clones and speed and an attack to knock Muu out. He isn't losing this.

Why are clones his weakness? And how would they contribute when they pose little to no threat?

 

[KidGamer65]

-Muu can't use chakra techniques when he's suppressing his chakra.
-The process of going invisible is a chakra based technique.
-Therefore he can't be suppressing his chakra and going invisible at the same time.
-From this we can conclude that his chakra gets suppressed after he's completely finished manipulating water droplets, aka going invisible.

Based on this I think Muu's chakra suppression is a separate ability from his invisibility jutsu. That, and the DB description of the jutsu makes no mention of chakra suppression, all it says is he manipulates water droplets.

Therefore he can split while invisible as long as he's not suppressing chakra.

Then Minato can sense him.

-Mu goes invisible.
-Splits.
-Minato will sense 2 presences.
-2 presences will disappear once chakra suppression is used.

Thus Minato will know Mu used some kind of clone jutsu and proceeds to destroy Mu like I stated before.

Lmao.