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Sensing does not boost reaction speed. Only SM can do that and that's because of the danger sensing aspect of it. Any other form of sensing (exclusive to high level sensing) is simply like having eye contact with your opponent for the entire time. Unless you lose sight of them your reaction to whatever attack they throw at you will not change in the slightest just because you can sense. Naruto being able to tag Obito because he can sense him is only the case because he can't track his speed in any other way. You won't react to what you don't see coming, but if you see it coming with your eyes, then sensing won't help you out at all unless it's SM.
 
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Sensing does not boost reaction speed. Only SM can do that and that's because of the danger sensing aspect of it. Any other form of sensing (explicit to high level sensing) is simply like having eye contact with your opponent for the entire time. Unless you lose sight of them your reaction to whatever attack they throw at you will not change in the slightest just because you can sense. Naruto being able to tag Obito because he can sense him is only the case because he can't track his speed in any other way. You won't react to what you don't see coming, but if you see it coming with your eyes, then sensing won't help you out at all unless it's SM.

Danger sensing isn't even a thing. Not once mentioned in all 700 chapters of this Manga. Naruto's sensing is just sensing, but at a higher level. So once again, sensing boosts reaction speed.
 

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Danger sensing isn't even a thing. Not once mentioned in all 700 chapters of this Manga. Naruto's sensing is just sensing, but at a higher level. So once again, sensing boosts reaction speed.

Lol what? It clearly explicitly states the danger-sensing in the VIZ [ ].

Irrelevant. The point is, he never did, thus saying he did is ignoring Manga panels, and saying he can is based on nothing.

But then again I never said he did? I said he could based on him being capable of reacting just fine to KN6. He even raised his hand in time, so his speed is clearly on a much higher level then anything Mu can dream off. Same thing applies to him dodging Raikiri.

KN6 engaged Deva, Deva had to resort to Shinra Tensei to try and deal with KN6, only to get repelled, thus Zexion using the nonsense claim of "handled KN6, thus he handles Mu" makes zero sense. Whether or not you think or I think it was CQC is completely irrelevant to the main point.

Not even sure why you are trying to argue whether or not he got owned with all his abilities when it doesn't matter here. Though Deva Path ended up running, thus he got owned. The fact he had to fall back means he got owned in the close quarters battle.

-KN6 charged. He used ST, got the force blown back on him.
-KN6 used BD, he used BT, managed to avoid the brunt of the attack, but is battered. KN6 is left unharmed.
-Deva realizes he can't beat him in close quarters and falls back to use Chibaku Tensei.

Though nice attempt at sugar coating that confrontation.

That's because punching KN6 wouldn't do anything given his durability and his ability to burn off Deva's hand. But ONCE again, his fighting style revolves around Deva. You CLAIMED ". KN6 owned him in CQC." This is called Fan-fic because it never happened. Did he use ST? Yes. Does that mean he got owned in CQC? Nope, so please don't act as if I sugar coated shit when I'm simply debunking your lack of ability to convey a point properly. And KN6 is left unharmed, doesn't mean he wasn't affected based on his eyes squinting as if in pain and him laying on the ground. While Deva ran away KN6 was still sitting there . There was no stomp or ownage, Deva got a few scratches and half his shirt ripped from a TBB, doesn't mean anything given that both of them were in the explosion and the only thing exempting KN6 from much greater damage then a few scratches was his durability (he was in the centre of the explosion, so in one sense he got outdone by Deva but had his durability as a saviour).

No, he wasn't. :lol I think you and Zexion need to go back and re-read that fight.

1. Deva tries to kill Iruka.
2. Kakashi intercepts.
3. Deva tries to kick Kakashi.
4. Kakashi seamlessly evades and uses Doton Wall.

5. Kakashi gets stabbed by a chakra rod.
6. Kakashi uses Raikiri.
7. Kakashi misses because Deva disrupted his chakra, not because he was too slow or because Deva "casually" reacted to his attack, because he didn't.
8. Asura Path provides back up and Deva spams Shinra Tensei the rest of the fight, which is irrelevant to all points being made here.

And you somehow fail to mention Deva outright dodging Kakashi's Raikiri effortlessly here [ ]. No, having vision of your opponent does not mean increased reaction speed, it's virtually the same as the bold in your post. Both occasions; vision of enemy - dodge. Don't even try to argue reaction speeds being higher because of having vision, it's the exact same thing as dodging while looking at your opponent..

As for the rest, obviously not. If he's attracting one body of Mu, then that body will be attracted. When the other body splits off, it will be stationary, rendering this follow up chakra rod strategy null and void.

Ok, then let's say one body just got pinned down and is done for. Mu will be flying invisibly while Deva is using the Rain sensing. Mu's flight, however, lowers his mass and thus less gravity affects him. Once 15 seconds are up Deva chooses the amount of gravity he will exert and thus any decent amount of gravity can genuinely send him to a different country or even further..

And btw, what leads you to the conclusion that the other Mu body won't be affected by Bansho Tenin? It's a change in the gravitational vector of the area, it's not a star wars force field working on a single person's frame.

:lol

-Says Base Naruto was shat on in CQC.
-Gives me scans of Base Naruto's clones after he split his chakra by over 20x.



Without weapons Deva Path can't even subdue Base Naruto, but somehow with a rod he's going to shit all over an invisible Mu? Nice joke.

Lol. Alright I'll concede on that, his Taijutsu isn't on point, doesn't mean much though here. All he needs is chakra rods in this fight for the win.

Invisible Mu is being detected by Rain. Deva's speed is far beyond Mu's based on him running at relatively the same speed as KN6 Naruto, so assuming Mu ever comes close Deva can simply run away at a much faster speed.
 
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I guess he just magically knew where Jiraiya would end up huh :/

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Lol what? It clearly explicitly states the danger-sensing in the VIZ [ ]

Meaning he has a wider range of being able to sense enemies/enemy attacks. The fact he outright compares it to KCM in terms of sensing ability only ends any and all argumentation about Sage Mode sensing having some magical feature that lets him react faster.

"This Sage Mode Frog Pair has a wider danger sensing range"

Obviously comparing it to KCM. Now unless you want to argue that KCM sensing has the same properties as Sage Sensing when it comes to this danger BS, you don't have an argument. Sensing is sensing. Sensing increases reaction speed. Shared Vision works exactly like sensing, thus Shared Vision also increases reaction speed. Simple as that.




But then again I never said he did? I said he could based on him being capable of reacting just fine to KN6. He even raised his hand in time, so his speed is clearly on a much higher level then anything Mu can dream off. Same thing applies to him dodging Raikiri.

So being able to react to KN6 means that he "could" have dealt with him in CQC? :lol The shit logic here is evident. Very evident. His reaction speed is at a level where he can react to KN6 charging at him. Not his overall speed. :lol Just another one of your ridiculous exaggerations.

And he never dodged Raikiri. I highly suggest you read that page again before you reply.

That's because punching KN6 wouldn't do anything given his durability and his ability to burn off Deva's hand. But ONCE again, his fighting style revolves around Deva. You CLAIMED ". KN6 owned him in CQC." This is called Fan-fic because it never happened. Did he use ST? Yes. Does that mean he got owned in CQC? Nope, so please don't act as if I sugar coated shit when I'm simply debunking your lack of ability to convey a point properly. And KN6 is left unharmed, doesn't mean he wasn't affected based on his eyes squinting as if in pain and him laying on the ground. While Deva ran away KN6 was still sitting there . There was no stomp or ownage, Deva got a few scratches and half his shirt ripped from a TBB, doesn't mean anything given that both of them were in the explosion and the only thing exempting KN6 from much greater damage then a few scratches was his durability (he was in the centre of the explosion, so in one sense he got outdone by Deva but had his durability as a saviour).

You keep telling me that Deva's fighting style revolves around Deva, but it's irrelevant to any and all comparisons being made here, so please stop mentioning it as if it helps your argument or hurts mine.

:lol Let's stop dancing around Manga fact.

1. CQC is any form of combat in close quarters, thus KN6 and Deva did have a CQC confrontation. They just used Ninjutsu in that confrontation, at least Deva did. The amount of reaching and grasping at straws you are doing in this part of your post to dance around the pretty damn obvious fact that

2. Deva was repelled after trying to attack. Deva took more damage than KN6 did. Deva ended up running away, thus Deva got owned in CQC. Period. If Deva attacks twice and doesn't affect KN6 both times and ends up running away, then he got owned and no amount of posting is going to change that, as it is FACT.

As for the underlined parts. No facial expression from KN6 that is in the Manga Kishimoto wrote depicts him being in pain after the explosion. He is shown with his mouth shaped into a grin. That's not pain last time I checked. And he was laying on the ground because Deva used a giant rock to slap him in the face prior to BD being shot. KN6 was affected by his BD in no way, while Deva was. Deva ran away. Deva got owned.

And you somehow fail to mention Deva outright dodging Kakashi's Raikiri effortlessly here [ ]. No, having vision of your opponent does not mean increased reaction speed, it's virtually the same as the bold in your post. Both occasions; vision of enemy - dodge. Don't even try to argue reaction speeds being higher because of having vision, it's the exact same thing as dodging while looking at your opponent..

I fail to mention it because that obviously isn't Deva Path. :lol Lord. That is Asura Path. The rest has been addressed over and over again.

Ok, then let's say one body just got pinned down and is done for. Mu will be flying invisibly while Deva is using the Rain sensing. Mu's flight, however, lowers his mass and thus less gravity affects him. Once 15 seconds are up Deva chooses the amount of gravity he will exert and thus any decent amount of gravity can genuinely send him to a different country or even further..

:lol Different country? Based on what exactly? Either way, Deva dies before the 15 seconds are up for the simple fact that Deva can't perceive Mu with Rain Sensing, thus won't know where or when an invisible attack is coming from. The fact that he's reeled him in with Bansho Tennin only hurts him worse.

And btw, what leads you to the conclusion that the other Mu body won't be affected by Bansho Tenin? It's a change in the gravitational vector of the area, it's not a star wars force field working on a single person's frame.

No, it's not. If that's how BT worked, then surrounding objects would be attracted every single time without fail. Bansho Tennin targets a single or multiple people at once.

Lol. Alright I'll concede on that, his Taijutsu isn't on point, doesn't mean much though here. All he needs is chakra rods in this fight for the win.

Invisible Mu is being detected by Rain. Deva's speed is far beyond Mu's based on him running at relatively the same speed as KN6 Naruto, so assuming Mu ever comes close Deva can simply run away at a much faster speed.

-I've addressed the Rain Sensing twice now, all Zexion could do is cry. Rain Sensing lets Pain know that someone is in his village/area, not their specific location. Deva's movement speed is irrelevant due to that fact.
I guess he just magically knew where Jiraiya would end up huh :/

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Dont bother Apex to KG extra sight = faster physical reactions :lol

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You best start learning about Nagato's abilities before you wank him. If Rain Tiger let him know Jiraiya's location, Konan wouldn't need to find Jiraiya on her own.

Mu shanks Deva Path. End of story. He can't perceive him in any way, shape or form. He only knows that he's there and that isn't good enough.

Lmfao, if all you can do is ignore manga panels and then cry about it after, your input isn't needed.
 

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Meaning he has a wider range of being able to sense enemies/enemy attacks. The fact he outright compares it to KCM in terms of sensing ability only ends any and all argumentation about Sage Mode sensing having some magical feature that lets him react faster.

"This Sage Mode Frog Pair has a wider danger sensing range"

Obviously comparing it to KCM. Now unless you want to argue that KCM sensing has the same properties as Sage Sensing when it comes to this danger BS, you don't have an argument. Sensing is sensing. Sensing increases reaction speed. Shared Vision works exactly like sensing, thus Shared Vision also increases reaction speed. Simple as that.






So being able to react to KN6 means that he "could" have dealt with him in CQC? :lol The shit logic here is evident. Very evident. His reaction speed is at a level where he can react to KN6 charging at him. Not his overall speed. :lol Just another one of your ridiculous exaggerations.

And he never dodged Raikiri. I highly suggest you read that page again before you reply.



You keep telling me that Deva's fighting style revolves around Deva, but it's irrelevant to any and all comparisons being made here, so please stop mentioning it as if it helps your argument or hurts mine.

:lol Let's stop dancing around Manga fact.

1. CQC is any form of combat in close quarters, thus KN6 and Deva did have a CQC confrontation. They just used Ninjutsu in that confrontation, at least Deva did. The amount of reaching and grasping at straws you are doing in this part of your post to dance around the pretty damn obvious fact that

2. Deva was repelled after trying to attack. Deva took more damage than KN6 did. Deva ended up running away, thus Deva got owned in CQC. Period. If Deva attacks twice and doesn't affect KN6 both times and ends up running away, then he got owned and no amount of posting is going to change that, as it is FACT.

As for the underlined parts. No facial expression from KN6 that is in the Manga Kishimoto wrote depicts him being in pain after the explosion. He is shown with his mouth shaped into a grin. That's not pain last time I checked. And he was laying on the ground because Deva used a giant rock to slap him in the face prior to BD being shot. KN6 was affected by his BD in no way, while Deva was. Deva ran away. Deva got owned.



I fail to mention it because that obviously isn't Deva Path. :lol Lord. That is Asura Path. The rest has been addressed over and over again.



:lol Different country? Based on what exactly? Either way, Deva dies before the 15 seconds are up for the simple fact that Deva can't perceive Mu with Rain Sensing, thus won't know where or when an invisible attack is coming from. The fact that he's reeled him in with Bansho Tennin only hurts him worse.



No, it's not. If that's how BT worked, then surrounding objects would be attracted every single time without fail. Bansho Tennin targets a single or multiple people at once.



-I've addressed the Rain Sensing twice now, all Zexion could do is cry. Rain Sensing lets Pain know that someone is in his village/area, not their specific location. Deva's movement speed is irrelevant due to that fact.


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You best start learning about Nagato's abilities before you wank him. If Rain Tiger let him know Jiraiya's location, Konan wouldn't need to find Jiraiya on her own.

Mu shanks Deva Path. End of story. He can't perceive him in any way, shape or form. He only knows that he's there and that isn't good enough.

Lmfao, if all you can do is ignore manga panels and then cry about it after, your input isn't needed.

:lol touche, although you clearly just found that.
 

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Meaning he has a wider range of being able to sense enemies/enemy attacks. The fact he outright compares it to KCM in terms of sensing ability only ends any and all argumentation about Sage Mode sensing having some magical feature that lets him react faster.

"This Sage Mode Frog Pair has a wider danger sensing range"

Obviously comparing it to KCM. Now unless you want to argue that KCM sensing has the same properties as Sage Sensing when it comes to this danger BS, you don't have an argument. Sensing is sensing. Sensing increases reaction speed. Shared Vision works exactly like sensing, thus Shared Vision also increases reaction speed. Simple as that.






So being able to react to KN6 means that he "could" have dealt with him in CQC? :lol The shit logic here is evident. Very evident. His reaction speed is at a level where he can react to KN6 charging at him. Not his overall speed. :lol Just another one of your ridiculous exaggerations.

And he never dodged Raikiri. I highly suggest you read that page again before you reply.



You keep telling me that Deva's fighting style revolves around Deva, but it's irrelevant to any and all comparisons being made here, so please stop mentioning it as if it helps your argument or hurts mine.

:lol Let's stop dancing around Manga fact.

1. CQC is any form of combat in close quarters, thus KN6 and Deva did have a CQC confrontation. They just used Ninjutsu in that confrontation, at least Deva did. The amount of reaching and grasping at straws you are doing in this part of your post to dance around the pretty damn obvious fact that

2. Deva was repelled after trying to attack. Deva took more damage than KN6 did. Deva ended up running away, thus Deva got owned in CQC. Period. If Deva attacks twice and doesn't affect KN6 both times and ends up running away, then he got owned and no amount of posting is going to change that, as it is FACT.

As for the underlined parts. No facial expression from KN6 that is in the Manga Kishimoto wrote depicts him being in pain after the explosion. He is shown with his mouth shaped into a grin. That's not pain last time I checked. And he was laying on the ground because Deva used a giant rock to slap him in the face prior to BD being shot. KN6 was affected by his BD in no way, while Deva was. Deva ran away. Deva got owned.



I fail to mention it because that obviously isn't Deva Path. :lol Lord. That is Asura Path. The rest has been addressed over and over again.



:lol Different country? Based on what exactly? Either way, Deva dies before the 15 seconds are up for the simple fact that Deva can't perceive Mu with Rain Sensing, thus won't know where or when an invisible attack is coming from. The fact that he's reeled him in with Bansho Tennin only hurts him worse.



No, it's not. If that's how BT worked, then surrounding objects would be attracted every single time without fail. Bansho Tennin targets a single or multiple people at once.



-I've addressed the Rain Sensing twice now, all Zexion could do is cry. Rain Sensing lets Pain know that someone is in his village/area, not their specific location. Deva's movement speed is irrelevant due to that fact.


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You best start learning about Nagato's abilities before you wank him. If Rain Tiger let him know Jiraiya's location, Konan wouldn't need to find Jiraiya on her own.

Mu shanks Deva Path. End of story. He can't perceive him in any way, shape or form. He only knows that he's there and that isn't good enough.

Lmfao, if all you can do is ignore manga panels and then cry about it after, your input isn't needed.

Ok, sensing was probably what he was referring to, that simply means sensing is what grants the boost in reaction speed. Sensing and shared vision work NOTHING alike. Shared vision is like looking at the opponent with 3rd eye, does that increase reaction speed? No, it just gives you vision from a different angle linked to your optic nerve. There's nothing that you can actually argue for shared vision to be increasing reaction speed. It increases radius of vision, only. Kakashi looks at attack and dodges= Deva looks at attack from a different pair of eyes and dodges.

Anyways, I'll concede on pretty much everything I don't address in this post. Firstly, Rain Tiger's DB implies he does know were the location of the opponent is with it [ ]. It says each and every rain drop is linked to his senses, meaning every time a rain drop is obstructed he'll know which one and where, and thus he'll know where Mu is. So assuming that BT>chakra rods has shit on half Mu, the other half Mu is now invisible and very likely airborne as well. Deva either hits him with chakra rods or waits the 15 seconds to send him to another country. His stronger Shinra Tensei sent all 3 toads a massive distance away despite their huge mass. Mu becomes nigh massless and thus has such little gravity being exerted on him that he can float. Deva controls how much gravity is being used though, mass is irrelevant, so his Shinra tensei would actually send Mu to another country based on Bunta weighing 100,000kg plus whilst Mu is almost weightless.
 

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I already have a scan that proves Pain can't locate people with the rain jutsu. The fact you are trying to argue against that with an entry that can work in my favour is hilarious. If Pain could locate people, he wouldn't have told Konan to find Jiraiya.

No ST or Stabbing occurs when My can't be perceived.

Ok, sensing was probably what he was referring to, that simply means sensing is what grants the boost in reaction speed. Sensing and shared vision work NOTHING alike. Shared vision is like looking at the opponent with 3rd eye, does that increase reaction speed? No, it just gives you vision from a different angle linked to your optic nerve. There's nothing that you can actually argue for shared vision to be increasing reaction speed. It increases radius of vision, only. Kakashi looks at attack and dodges= Deva looks at attack from a different pair of eyes and dodges.

As for this, uh, wrong again. Sensing and Shared Vision work exactly the same way. They increase your perception. The only difference is that sensing isn't visual, while Shared Vision is. So you are wrong once again. Taking examples, assuming the answer is no, and then using that as evidence doesn't help your point when at the end of the day, you are assuming things, and I have direct comparisons that prove my point.
 
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KG so you're saying once again.... If Pain had Kakashi in his sights the whole time he couldn't react? Just answer me :lol
 

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Mu can't make objects invisible haters be mad. Unless someone can provide a scan of him doing so? Didn't think so.
 

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KG so you're saying once again.... If Pain had Kakashi in his sights the whole time he couldn't react? Just answer me :lol

Why wouldn't he? :lol. I feel like I know what route you're going down, and I don't like it.
 

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Mū slices his throat
 

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Lol What is Muu going to do to Deva when he gets close? Sure he has a sword but big whoop, nothing shows Muu being fast enough or skilled enough with a sword to come at Deva and finish him off.

Deva completely destroys Muu. Muu is defenseless in the air when Deva uses Basho on him. He has lightened himself which makes it that much easier for Deva to pull him in.

Rinnegan probably sees through invisibility anyway.
 
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I applaud you for regurgitating the same things that have been addressed multiple times.
 

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Cool. Thanks for letting me know.
 

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I already have a scan that proves Pain can't locate people with the rain jutsu. The fact you are trying to argue against that with an entry that can work in my favour is hilarious. If Pain could locate people, he wouldn't have told Konan to find Jiraiya.

No ST or Stabbing occurs when My can't be perceived.

Uh no. Deva never said he can't locate Jiraiya, he told Konan to use her OWN jutsu to locate Jiraiya. Why would he leave all the Paths to fight Jiraiya in the outskirts of his village when he can fight and use the building's walls to hide his Paths. You have NOTHING that outright states Rain not allowing Deva to detect his opponents, just your own flawed interpretation of what happened there. But as I showed you, every single rain drop is intricately linked with Deva's senses, meaning Deva told Konan to go find Jiraiya with her own jutsu merely because he can't anticipate where Jiraiya will be by the time Konan has reached the location Deva priorly suggested.

As for this, uh, wrong again. Sensing and Shared Vision work exactly the same way. They increase your perception. The only difference is that sensing isn't visual, while Shared Vision is. So you are wrong once again. Taking examples, assuming the answer is no, and then using that as evidence doesn't help your point when at the end of the day, you are assuming things, and I have direct comparisons that prove my point.

They increase perception, but does that mean they work in the same way? Not at all. Sensing and visual perception are nothing alike apart from what they do. How they work is what allows sensing to increase reaction speed. Shared vision is NO different from looking at someone with the 3rd eye. Stop this retarded argument, looking at your opponent with a different set of eyes equating to better reaction speed makes NO sense.
 

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Uh no. Deva never said he can't locate Jiraiya, he told Konan to use her OWN jutsu to locate Jiraiya. Why would he leave all the Paths to fight Jiraiya in the outskirts of his village when he can fight and use the building's walls to hide his Paths. You have NOTHING that outright states Rain not allowing Deva to detect his opponents, just your own flawed interpretation of what happened there. But as I showed you, every single rain drop is intricately linked with Deva's senses, meaning Deva told Konan to go find Jiraiya with her own jutsu merely because he can't anticipate where Jiraiya will be by the time Konan has reached the location Deva priorly suggested.

Smh. You cannot be serious. Can we stop reaching and grasping at straws? Even with a Manga panel that literally obliterates your nonsense argument yet you continue to argue. Jesus Christ. Some people. :lol

1. Stop mentioning it being connected with his senses, because that is what allows him to feel the presence of the intruder. When you can show me how that 100% means that he knows their location, then we can talk. Until then, you have no argument, so stop trying. Nothing even outright proves your argument, you are merely reaching and grasping at straws and twisting a description that only means he can feel their existence with the rain.

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2. What in the actual hell are you even talking about? You literally make no sense here. None whatsoever. What in the hell does him using the rain to find Jiraiya have to do with where his paths fight Jiraiya? Oh wait, nothing. If Deva could've used the rain to locate Jiraiya, he would've used said rain to locate Jiraiya and cancelled it when he found him.

Then there's the fact that Deva Path made it clear that he only knew that an intruder had entered the village. He didn't know where the intruder entered nor did he know where he last felt the intruder's presence as he didn't tell Konan any of that shit. Because he can't tell their location. Not. Debatable. So stop trying.

They increase perception, but does that mean they work in the same way? Not at all. Sensing and visual perception are nothing alike apart from what they do. How they work is what allows sensing to increase reaction speed. Shared vision is NO different from looking at someone with the 3rd eye. Stop this retarded argument, looking at your opponent with a different set of eyes equating to better reaction speed makes NO sense.

Please stop with the shitty reaching. If this is all you have to provide then it's clear how wrong you are. This paragraph boils down to you saying they aren't the same because "lol I said so". Your opinion with no facts is something I don't care for. They are exactly the same. Period. The only difference is that one is visual, and one isn't. You saying "how they work is what allows sensing to increase reaction speed" doesn't matter to me when it's just another vague statement, since you know when you get down to the basics, they are exactly the same.

-Shared Vision=Increasing field of vision w/ multiple sets of eyes.
-Sensiong=Increasing field of perception, but it's not visual.

And quit mentioning the goddamn 3rd eye example when not only do you have no real evidence to support 99.9% of your nonsense claims, Shared Vision and the 3rd eye don't work the same. Gaara cuts off vision from his right eye (or left?) and transmits all signals to his 3rd eye, and vice versa. :lol That's how I know that you are reaching.

-Retarded argument.
-Yet you have to reach in order to counter.

Lord. :lol Let's stop with the BS.
 
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