[VS] Muu & Onoki vs 6 Paths of Pain

[BenjerminGaye]

Possible but then again he could just fly above the clouds and destroy them with Jinton lmao.

That would not only expose his location but waste his chakra. But by all means go ahead.

 

[Beans2]

That would not only expose his location but waste his chakra. But by all means go ahead.

How would it expose his location when the rain clouds are giving him cover?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How would it expose his location when the rain clouds are giving him cover?

Muu has to be visible to use jinton....

 

[Beans2]

Muu has to be visible to use jinton....

Rain clouds give him cover. Doesn't matter if he's visible.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Rain clouds give him cover. Doesn't matter if he's visible.

No it wouldn't. Pain 's rinne would see him. Then it's universal pull right out of the sky. And how is it giving him cover when he's up there trying to destroy it?

 

[Beans2]

No it wouldn't. Pain 's rinne would see him. Then it's universal pull right out of the sky. And how is it giving him cover when he's up there trying to destroy it?

Muu is above the clouds.

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Databook states the rain clouds are formed from his own chakra: [

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The clouds would block Pain's chakra-seeing eyes and make him unable to see Muu behind them similar to how Sharingan could not see Zabuza under the cover of Hidden Mist.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Muu is above the clouds.

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Databook states the rain clouds are formed from his own chakra: [

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The clouds would block Pain's chakra-seeing eyes and make him unable to see Muu behind them similar to how Sharingan could not see Zabuza under the cover of Hidden Mist.

then muu uses jinton, puts a hole in that very cover pain sees him and yanks him out of the sky. there's also animal path's bird being a possibility to see him up there as well. and this is all assuming his "water silhouette" isn't acted on before he even gets above the clouds.

look I already said who i think wins but that method used to get by rain tiger is bad in many ways.

 

[Beans2]

then muu uses jinton, puts a hole in that very cover pain sees him and yanks him out of the sky. there's also animal path's bird being a possibility to see him up there as well. and this is all assuming his "water silhouette" isn't acted on before he even gets above the clouds.

look I already said who i think wins but that method used to get by rain tiger is bad in many ways.

Muu just goes invisible immediately after using Jinton. Plus he'd be way too far away for Bansho Tenin to work. IIRC that's only worked at short range before.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Muu just goes invisible immediately after using Jinton. Plus he'd be way too far away for Bansho Tenin to work. IIRC that's only worked at short range before.

Him going invisible afterwards doesn't change him being visible during. thats more than enough time for the multitude of pain's eyes(whether it be the paths or the summoned animals(some of which can fly)) to spot him at least once. and you're still not addressing how he even gets above the clouds without being spotted.

@boldroof?

 

[Beans2]

Him going invisible afterwards doesn't change him being visible during. thats more than enough time for the multitude of pain's eyes(whether it be the paths or the summoned animals(some of which can fly)) to spot him at least once. and you're still not addressing how he even gets above the clouds without being spotted.

@boldroof?

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"Short to mid range". The classification in the Narutopedia article is based off the DB description for the jutsu. Muu being visible for a couple seconds after firing the Jinton doesn't matter because there's nothing Pain can do to hurt him at that distance. With full intel Muu just flies above the clouds as they are formed before the rain starts falling.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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"Short to mid range". The classification in the Narutopedia article is based off the DB description for the jutsu. Muu being visible for a couple seconds after firing the Jinton doesn't matter because there's nothing Pain can do to hurt him at that distance. With full intel Muu just flies above the clouds as they are formed before the rain starts falling.

Op said nothing about full intel.

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Both stating that both techs are close/medium range but we all know that isnt true based on what he did to the entire leaf village. So that eliminates databook being credible in terms of its range effectiveness.

 

[Beans2]

Op said nothing about full intel.

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Both stating that both techs are close/medium range but we all know that isnt true based on what he did to the entire leaf village. So that eliminates databook being credible in terms of its range effectiveness.

Dude. If DB says it's close-mid range then it's close to mid range. If Shinra Tensei contradicted its Databook statement that's irrelevant, because Shinra Tensei is not Bansho Tenin. The DB statement is all we have to go off of in terms of the limitations of Bansho Tenin's range, and it explicitly states that it's not long range, so stop saying it will work at long range when it clearly won't. What you are suggesting is that we can ignore the ranges of all jutsus in the manga given by the Databook just because there are a couple contradictions with some of the jutsus. Bansho Tenin never being used at long range added to the fact that DB says it's short to mid range means it won't work at long range.

OP never specified intel. If it's full intel, Muu just goes above the clouds before it starts raining. If it's manga intel, then once Pain starts targeting and attacking him, Muu will realize that Pain can spot him in the rain, he'll choose to fly above the clouds and destroy them. Pain doesn't have a way to one-shot him at long range so he has no way of killing him before he flies above the clouds, even if he can see him.

 

[Haizaki]

How's Mu going to get that far away before Bansho Teni'n works on him?

OP never specified intel. If it's full intel, Muu just goes above the clouds before it starts raining. If it's manga intel, then once Pain starts targeting and attacking him, Muu will realize that Pain can spot him in the rain, he'll choose to fly above the clouds and destroy them. Pain doesn't have a way to one-shot him at long range so he has no way of killing him before he flies above the clouds, even if he can see him.

OP doesn't specify intel then the intel to go by is Manga intel which is done all the time. With Manga intel your strategy fails given the fact that Pain can actually start with BT rather than using other attacks which would force Mu to go that far out.

Not to mention the fact that once Pain notices him in that Rain, he can start levitating like he did in the Manga towards Mu. Or Asura Path just gets on the Hawk and takes an aerial position not far in any case of full intel. His attacks can get to Mu preventing Jinton and if Mu comes in the Rain where he is, he'll be noticed and attacked easily.

 

[Beans2]

How's Mu going to get that far away before Bansho Teni'n works on him?



OP doesn't specify intel then the intel to go by is Manga intel which is done all the time. With Manga intel your strategy fails given the fact that Pain can actually start with BT rather than using other attacks which would force Mu to go that far out.

Not to mention the fact that once Pain notices him in that Rain, he can start levitating like he did in the Manga towards Mu. Or Asura Path just gets on the Hawk and takes an aerial position not far in any case of full intel. His attacks can get to Mu preventing Jinton and if Mu comes in the Rain where he is, he'll be noticed and attacked easily.

My strategy doesn't fail, as long as Pain doesn't use Bansho Tenin in the first seconds of the battle.

1. Muu goes invisible and starts flying away.
2. Pain uses Rain Tiger.
3. The raindrops hit Muu and with the Rinnegan's eyesight Pain will see where he is based on where the raindrops aren't hitting.*
4. Pain attacks. Doesn't matter how he does it, but if Muu sees Deva, or the bird, or rockets coming towards him he will realize that Pain can see him.
5. Muu will put two and two together and realize the rain that Pain just created is what's causing his location to be revealed.
6. Muu will fly away and go above the rain clouds, then he destroys them with Jinton.

As long as Muu goes invisible before BT is used Pain can't hurt him.

*I actually doubt this would even work if I think about this realistically. The millions of tiny raindrops would be indestinguishable from one another and having chakra seeing eyes doesn't help given that the rain is formed out of Pain's own chakra and would provide a screen. This might work at extremely close range but otherwise visibility would be too poor for Pain to make out an invisible figure based off where certain raindrops are stopping short, especially if said figure could be anywhere on the battlefield and is only the size of a human. The only argument that could be made for this is if the rain somehow messes up the water droplets Muu uses to bend light, but we don't know that it would.

 

[EZQ]

The silouette formed by the rain would be too poor. Since it's proportional to the quantity of water droplets per mt. I don't think that works.

Anyways Muu flies with invisible and moves around, then lol if you think pain would find the poor silouette between those millions droplets, and even worse if Muu is far away (but still inside jinton's range) and constantly moving.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The silouette formed by the rain would be too poor. Since it's proportional to the quantity of water droplets per mt. I don't think that works.

pain controls the strength of the downpour and seeing as how garra used a similar method against muu already and gengetsu's clam it is a feasible tactic.

Anyways Muu flies with invisible and moves around, then lol if you think pain would find the poor silouette between those millions droplets, and even worse if Muu is far away (but still inside jinton's range) and constantly moving.

Muu flying around will leave a water trail.

Dude. If DB says it's close-mid range then it's close to mid range. If Shinra Tensei contradicted its Databook statement that's irrelevant, because Shinra Tensei is not Bansho Tenin. The DB statement is all we have to go off of in terms of the limitations of Bansho Tenin's range, and it explicitly states that it's not long range, so stop saying it will work at long range when it clearly won't. What you are suggesting is that we can ignore the ranges of all jutsus in the manga given by the Databook just because there are a couple contradictions with some of the jutsus. Bansho Tenin never being used at long range added to the fact that DB says it's short to mid range means it won't work at long range.

If there are contradictions doesn't that take away from the validity of the book itself?

OP never specified intel. If it's full intel, Muu just goes above the clouds before it starts raining. If it's manga intel, then once Pain starts targeting and attacking him, Muu will realize that Pain can spot him in the rain, he'll choose to fly above the clouds and destroy them. Pain doesn't have a way to one-shot him at long range so he has no way of killing him before he flies above the clouds, even if he can see him.

If pain is targeting and attacking him how is he getting above the clouds? Why is pain just letting that man fly away?