Muu; 2nd tsuchikage! Underrated, and almost unbeatable!

What is he?

  • Top 5 contender!

    Votes: 20 30.3%
  • Top 10 contender!

    Votes: 28 42.4%
  • Good but not great!

    Votes: 13 19.7%
  • Not as strong as you make him out to be..

    Votes: 5 7.6%

  • Total voters
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JakeLife510

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That ninja still had chakra, muu's invisibility is unique! He could erase his presence from the face of the earth! As in no chakra, sharingan and byakugan sees chakra, which he can completely erase! Soooo I wouldn't say a sharingan could detected him..
Does his invisibility have to do with dust release? Like with what Oonoki did to Sasuke?
 

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Yea ur right minato is the best ever, no one can ever beat him.
You are wrong my friend, Minato can be defeated there were many great ninja, legendary ninjas, Minato is one of them but not higher than them, we must understand all the legendary ninjas abilities then decide who's the stronger but we'll never find that out.
 

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wait,even if he's invisible,that doesn't mean we can't see his shadow right? if so, the best matchup for him willbe shikamaru
Well invisible would mean that we cannot in fact see his shadow, seeing how the shadow appears when light is blocekd by a solid object. If that object is not visible you could say that it's not there, hence no shadow.
 

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how can so many ppl put him in top 5

Madara, Naruto, So6P, Sasuke, Minato, Hiruzen Hashirama, Nagato, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Itachi, ... can you really tell me there arent 5 characters in there (in your opinion) that are stronger than Muu???!!!
 

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I'll start by saying that Tsunade and A underestimated Naruto a lot so I won't count their judgement for being too accurate. Also we all know how everyone reacted when KinGin bros appeared on the battlefield, yet they went down fairly easy.

And tell me something: how is Oonoki planning to defeat Muu if he's always invisible? There must be quite a few weaknesses there and I am still assuming that we needs to be visible when attacking.

But I gotta say...I am curious know of who do you think would stand a good chance of defeating Muu
I see you haven't really been paying attention because you couldn't be far from wrong my friend.

It literally took just about 90% of the world army to take them out! Then on top of that they were defeated by there own weapons and thats a fact! kinkaku alone destroyed/changed the entire land scape just by roaring. A said if they didn't stop him fast, it would be no stoping him!%0
 
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how can so many ppl put him in top 5

Madara, Naruto, So6P, Sasuke, Minato, Hiruzen Hashirama, Nagato, Kabuto, Itachi, ... can you really tell me there arent 5 characters in there (in your opinion) that are stronger than Muu???!!!
Only nagato, hashirama, kabutomaru, and maybe naruto id say could beat him for sure in that list you have. And dude no one counts so6p, he is a givin.lol
Common sense, thats why no one puts him on there list, if you do that then you might aswell put his two sons aswell then, and there children, etc etc. you get it?

Instead of complaining about ppls opinions, tell the ppl why each of those characters would beat him in short summaries (that are fair and take account his abilities aswell) try not to be bias for once. Haha
 

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how can so many ppl put him in top 5

Madara, Naruto, So6P, Sasuke, Minato, Hiruzen Hashirama, Nagato, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Itachi, ... can you really tell me there arent 5 characters in there (in your opinion) that are stronger than Muu???!!!
Yes. you must first have to locate your enemy's presence to attack and i find none of the characters you listed is able to do that(except jiraiya in SM)
 

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LOL how can I forget:

kiba and kakashi: pakkun and akamaru have a very keen sense of smell and it doesn't requires chakra.

kakuzu: none of physical attacks works on him since he can just hardens his body

shino: bugs.

sasori and hanzou: like Drageod mentioned earlier

Orochimaru: Snakes are good at smelling too.

Kisame: According to reality,sharks are the most sensitive animal in the animal kingdom

the conclusion is you don't need to brush your eyes to sense someone's chakra,just leave it to your pets.they're not useless ;)


And one more thing:

deidara's C4>>>>>all living things
 

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You are wrong my friend, Minato can be defeated there were many great ninja, legendary ninjas, Minato is one of them but not higher than them, we must understand all the legendary ninjas abilities then decide who's the stronger but we'll never find that out.
He was being sarcastic. lol. :D

I'll start by saying that Tsunade and A underestimated Naruto a lot so I won't count their judgement for being too accurate. Also we all know how everyone reacted when KinGin bros appeared on the battlefield, yet they went down fairly easy.

And tell me something: how is Oonoki planning to defeat Muu if he's always invisible? There must be quite a few weaknesses there and I am still assuming that we needs to be visible when attacking.

But I gotta say...I am curious know of who do you think would stand a good chance of defeating Muu
On detecting Invisible people/objects:
Generally, when something or someone is truly invisible (not visible and even erasing his own chakra), but you know it's there, you look at the environment around it for changes it would affect to indirectly see it rather than try to look for it directly.

One trick that worked was sensor sand, but it could be a tree branch bending, leaves or sand blowing around and not through a pocket of air, etc.

Gaara would be great at assisting Onooki in my opinion due to him being in the desert and his control of sand. He could do sand sweeps and/or sand showers (just imagine the sand rain hitting the ground everywhere but one spot), and it would work very similar to sonar in a submarine movie/TV show (just an analogy, not science!), it would become immediately obvious to the viewer, Gaara, that there's a hollow point that sand isn't passing through like it would the regular air. That hollow point is where Muu is where Muu would be hiding. Thus, the desert isn't the best battlefield for him especially because Gaara is there.

That's just one way to detect him I can think up off the top of my head. Muu may make himself invisible and be able to erase his own chakra, but that doesn't stop him from affecting the environment around him, which is how I suppose the general strategy would go for following him. The one with Gaara is just a specific one.

This only resolves one problem, Muu still has plenty more. It's going to be interesting to see how dust vs. dust goes. Obviously Onooki has the advantage of being the next generation, so he's had much of his lifetime to work on enhancing his dust release bloodline expansion and not just developing it from scratch as Muu had to.

As well, Onooki et al. don't have the limitations of being Edo Tensei's, which until I see otherwise, seems to weaken each character that has ever been revived compared to when they lived (likely due to a combination of IWR jutsu and plot reasons).


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Also, Draegod why do you keep thinking everyone you make a thread about is "underrated" when they're immensely powerful and "almost unbeatable?" That's an oxymoron along with your poll for options of listing him in the top 5 and 10. Is it salesmanship or something? People are going to read the thread anyway, Muu is interesting.

This is a guy who can become invisible, erase his own chakra, is a sensor, dust release, weapons abilities, a former Kage, etc. Damn, what makes a normal rating for you?! What's a guy have to do? Last time it was Hashirama who had a petting zoo of Bijou, lol.

It's just odd to me, and I'm not trying to be critical because it's kind of funny. I just don't think that lesser known characters are the same as underrated, but it's your thread, so continue this way, and I'll get to keep reading your threads, win-win. :) Your style clearly works to draw people in, and you you seem well prepared when you open these threads. Thus, cheers I suppose. :hug: (I couldn't find a cheers smiley face, thought that this would do well enough).

Nice thread...

Peace
 

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i was like wtf when someone said that naruto would lose.
naruto could now just turn 8 tail and destroy almost the whole planet xD
and like minato could throw like 10000 special kunai and teleport everyplace at same second and hit everything. just saying. and many others can hit wild area and there would be big chance that muu would get hit by that. (my opion)
and sorry my bad english ^^
 

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He was being sarcastic. lol. :D



On detecting Invisible people/objects:
Generally, when something or someone is truly invisible (not visible and even erasing his own chakra), but you know it's there, you look at the environment around it for changes it would affect to indirectly see it rather than try to look for it directly.

One trick that worked was sensor sand, but it could be a tree branch bending, leaves or sand blowing around and not through a pocket of air, etc.

Gaara would be great at assisting Onooki in my opinion due to him being in the desert and his control of sand. He could do sand sweeps and/or sand showers (just imagine the sand rain hitting the ground everywhere but one spot), and it would work very similar to sonar in a submarine movie/TV show (just an analogy, not science!), it would become immediately obvious to the viewer, Gaara, that there's a hollow point that sand isn't passing through like it would the regular air. That hollow point is where Muu is where Muu would be hiding. Thus, the desert isn't the best battlefield for him especially because Gaara is there.

That's just one way to detect him I can think up off the top of my head. Muu may make himself invisible and be able to erase his own chakra, but that doesn't stop him from affecting the environment around him, which is how I suppose the general strategy would go for following him. The one with Gaara is just a specific one.

This only resolves one problem, Muu still has plenty more. It's going to be interesting to see how dust vs. dust goes. Obviously Onooki has the advantage of being the next generation, so he's had much of his lifetime to work on enhancing his dust release bloodline expansion and not just developing it from scratch as Muu had to.

As well, Onooki et al. don't have the limitations of being Edo Tensei's, which until I see otherwise, seems to weaken each character that has ever been revived compared to when they lived (likely due to a combination of IWR jutsu and plot reasons).

i agree!

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Also, Draegod why do you keep thinking everyone you make a thread about is "underrated" when they're immensely powerful and "almost unbeatable?" That's an oxymoron along with your poll for options of listing him in the top 5 and 10. Is it salesmanship or something? People are going to read the thread anyway, Muu is interesting.
when i say underated i mean ppl dont give him credit or think of him at all when they think of the best or very powerful ninjas. i.e. top ten's or when ppl are saying ninjas like minato or sasuke (just examples) could beat everyone.


This is a guy who can become invisible, erase his own chakra, is a sensor, dust release, weapons abilities, a former Kage, etc. Damn, what makes a normal rating for you?! What's a guy have to do? Last time it was Hashirama who had a petting zoo of Bijou, lol.
he is truely an elite ninja in mine and your eyes (and a few others). but ppl on this site in particular do not see his and other ninjas powers such as (hanzou, danzou, kin gin bros, hashirama, sasori, kakuzu, neji, chiyo, muu, etc tec), so im here to show the light and show what ppl seem to miss on characters who are not mainstream. and show that characters like itachi, sasuke, naruto (well he always win, so does sasuke no matter what.lol), minato, kakashi, etc etc are not the best and there are characters besides fellow main characters that could defeat the main ones.


It's just odd to me, and I'm not trying to be critical because it's kind of funny. I just don't think that lesser known characters are the same as underrated, but it's your thread, so continue this way, and I'll get to keep reading your threads, win-win. :) Your style clearly works to draw people in, and you you seem well prepared when you open these threads. Thus, cheers I suppose. :hug: (I couldn't find a cheers smiley face, thought that this would do well enough).
lol when i say under rated i mean ppl think they are weak, then i show that they are elite!. but yea haha :D

Nice thread...

Peace

thanx! :)
 
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Muu = Ultimate Stealth! I think Muu is going to be the toughest resurrected ninja to beat, out of the one's we've seen so far. Invisibility and Dust element is a BEAST combination, and I think Gaara and Onoki are going to need some help.

Plus, didn't Raikage say something about him having a "Bloodline Expansion" I have no idea what that is, but it sounds powerful. The only thing that can counter Muu's stealth is Gaara's sensor sand and Byakugan!
 

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Muu = Ultimate Stealth! I think Muu is going to be the toughest resurrected ninja to beat, out of the one's we've seen so far. Invisibility and Dust element is a BEAST combination, and I think Gaara and Onoki are going to need some help.

Plus, didn't Raikage say something about him having a "Bloodline Expansion" I have no idea what that is, but it sounds powerful. The only thing that can counter Muu's stealth is Gaara's sensor sand and Byakugan!
I think that one goes to Itachi
 

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Muu = Ultimate Stealth! I think Muu is going to be the toughest resurrected ninja to beat, out of the one's we've seen so far. Invisibility and Dust element is a BEAST combination, and I think Gaara and Onoki are going to need some help.

Plus, didn't Raikage say something about him having a "Bloodline Expansion" I have no idea what that is, but it sounds powerful. The only thing that can counter Muu's stealth is Gaara's sensor sand and Byakugan!
Byakugan cannot see his chakra when he erases it
 

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My Ninja (black joke.lol)!!! is showing that he is the shid! did you see the crator him and onoki created???? and how fast he released the jutsu. not to mention his reflexes to dodge the sand arms of gaara. he is looking mighty mighty powerful if you ask me!
 
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