Muu; 2nd tsuchikage! Underrated, and almost unbeatable!

[Anub]

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how strong was the 2nd Tsuchikage? Muu was none world wide as the invisible man because of the only unique ability to erase his chakra and presence from the face of the earth! And to add to the ability to become non visible he has the destructive power of Dust element! wowww....

he died to the 3rd mizukage in a battle where they took each other out (which im guessing the mizu probably had a tech that is a homicide/self-destruct type of tech that killed Muu along with him).

the powers we know he has so far is earth, fire, and wind; which gave him Dust. by him being a kage its safe to assume that his 3 main elements were of the highest caliber, and his dust techs were second to none. onoki's dust tech was so powerful that he was about to wipe out an entire island! so imagine having that ability and being invisible at the same time! DEADLY! plus he's a super sensor ninja aswell!!! super deadly!

now, my real question is how strong do you think he is/could be? i believe he could possibly be stronger then most elites like minato, itachi, raikage (A), kisame, sasuke (pre-ems) etc etc. what do you guys think?

From what we've seen so far I would presume that:

1. He can beat Itachi and Sasuke (pre-ems). Neither of them are excelent enough in chakra to sustain susanoo until Muu appears. But there might be a possibility : if they keep MS activated, genjutsu might still work if Muu is looking straight into their eyes...maybe.
2. He would most likely defeat A and Tsunade and so on because they don't know how to fight an invisible man. But again, this is speculation, because the village kages might have a lot of info on all the kage and maybe how to fight them as well.
3. Would be pwned by Minato. I don't see Muu being faster than A or Tobi's space-time and we saw Minato evade both of them with his space-time. Simply put, Minato is too much for Muu.
4. Kisame will probably win against him. Unless Muu can breathe underwater, Kisame just needs to keep the water bubble with him and Muu cannot get anywhere near.
5. Naruto and Bee would probably lose because they don't have any means of countering him (I might be wrong).

 

[SasukeMangekyo5]

From what we've seen so far I would presume that:

1. He can beat Itachi and Sasuke (pre-ems). Neither of them are excelent enough in chakra to sustain susanoo until Muu appears. But there might be a possibility : if they keep MS activated, genjutsu might still work if Muu is looking straight into their eyes...maybe.
2. He would most likely defeat A and Tsunade and so on because they don't know how to fight an invisible man. But again, this is speculation, because the village kages might have a lot of info on all the kage and maybe how to fight them as well.
3. Would be pwned by Minato. I don't see Muu being faster than A or Tobi's space-time and we saw Minato evade both of them with his space-time. Simply put, Minato is too much for Muu.
4. Kisame will probably win against him. Unless Muu can breathe underwater, Kisame just needs to keep the water bubble with him and Muu cannot get anywhere near.
5. Naruto and Bee would probably lose because they don't have any means of countering him (I might be wrong).

I don't agree with you in the Bold part.
Kisame wouldn't create a water prison when he doesn't know his opponent location, he hides his chakra too, he's a sensor and would attack Kisame before Kisame understands if Mu is gone or is still fighting.
And Mu's Dust release would've killed Kisame though as we saw another advantage of this Kekkai Tota was that it attacked very fast before realizing you're being attacked.

 

[Draegod]

From what we've seen so far I would presume that:

1. He can beat Itachi and Sasuke (pre-ems). Neither of them are excelent enough in chakra to sustain susanoo until Muu appears. But there might be a possibility : if they keep MS activated, genjutsu might still work if Muu is looking straight into their eyes...maybe.
2. He would most likely defeat A and Tsunade and so on because they don't know how to fight an invisible man. But again, this is speculation, because the village kages might have a lot of info on all the kage and maybe how to fight them as well.
3. Would be pwned by Minato. I don't see Muu being faster than A or Tobi's space-time and we saw Minato evade both of them with his space-time. Simply put, Minato is too much for Muu.
4. Kisame will probably win against him. Unless Muu can breathe underwater, Kisame just needs to keep the water bubble with him and Muu cannot get anywhere near.
5. Naruto and Bee would probably lose because they don't have any means of countering him (I might be wrong).

Ima disagree on the kisame and minato part. Minato may be fast but if you can't see the opponent then speed is useless! Plus mu would know exactly where minato is because of his sensory. And to add the wind, fire, earth elements to the mix you have a deadly mix for minato.. But then again it could go either way..

He also has two swords so I imagine he could come behind you and slash you in 2 before you realised it.

I don't think this war will do any off the kages justice tho because they are edo summons. But we will see..

 

[Zanji]

I would definitally say he is in the top 5 if we were able to see his true abilities at work and saw a back story because they have revealed a bit more about him than the 2nd Mizukage and some of the others "Such as he was the one who killed the 2nd Mizukage and was killed by him, also was the one who taught Onoki Dust, and has the perfect invisibility"

he is obviously highly strong since he used to be a Kage. But sadly if Kishi doesn't show the fight with him and Onoki they will just show the last bit with Onoki just beating him and breathing heavily and wishing his sensei peace in the afterlife.

 

[Olorin]

So you voted top 10?

No my list would go something like this, although many will disagree:

Spoiler

Excluding S06P, Madara, Naruto and Sasuke:

1. Minato
2. 3. Nagato/Itachi (before argue for Itachi check databooks description of his Susanoo, Nagato has Rinnegan)
4. 5. Jiraiya SM/Orochimaru - Kabuto now (Ma & Pa are both sages and ET is just insane))
6. 7. Hashirama/Hiruzen (TB werent exactly hashiramas weapons)
8. Bee
9. 10. A/Danzo
11. 12. Shisui/Izuna (cmon everyone wants his eyes + Madaras brother))
13. 14. Muu/Onoki
15. Tsunade

 

[Steinbiz]

stronger than Minato...?

lol

 

[JakeLife510]

stronger than Minato...?

lol

How could Minato find him?

I assume Mu defeated the 2nd Mizukage but the 2nd had a super powerful suicide move some like Lava explosion mist technique of some sort.
Must have been an Epic Moment for two kages to face off like that until the death

 

[PainShinra]

Top 5 imo. He is able to cast 3 types of elements and has bloodline expansion, he is aware of many unseen techniques like e.g. the technique the 3rd Tsuchikage wanted to use on Deidara (

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With erasing his chakra he is even invisible for eyes like Byakugan with is a huge advantage.

In my opinion if it won't turn out to a tearjerker he will be very dangerous.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Well, we all know that edo summons are a lot weaker than what they would be if they were alive, so what can we really expect from half dead ninja? It will still be interesting to see what happens though.

 

[Blacks]

Hard to say, not sure about top 10, but top 25 for sure!

 

[lord niijima]

you guys all ger it wrong. erasing of chakra has to deal with erasing of the chakra overflow that enables one to detect you and not completely clearing your chakra cos once you are out of chakra you are dead. it will therefore be difficult for sensors like karin who identifies the chakra of opponents. eye techs such as sharingan and byakugan can however see the chakra as it circulates in the body.

 

[psukkar]

stronger than Minato...?

lol

Yea ur right minato is the best ever, no one can ever beat him.

 

[Anub]

Ima disagree on the kisame and minato part. Minato may be fast but if you can't see the opponent then speed is useless! Plus mu would know exactly where minato is because of his sensory. And to add the wind, fire, earth elements to the mix you have a deadly mix for minato.. But then again it could go either way..

He also has two swords so I imagine he could come behind you and slash you in 2 before you realised it.

I don't think this war will do any off the kages justice tho because they are edo summons. But we will see..

So you disagree with everyone that I said would beat him...

Anyway, you clearly underestimate Minato. For Muu to attack he most likely needs to be visible, otherwise he would actually be the most OP character ever. If Muu is visible, then Minato can dodge his attacks. He dodged A and Tobi and I believe space-time > any attack.

 

[Draegod]

So you disagree with everyone that I said would beat him...

Anyway, you clearly underestimate Minato. For Muu to attack he most likely needs to be visible, otherwise he would actually be the most OP character ever. If Muu is visible, then Minato can dodge his attacks. He dodged A and Tobi and I believe space-time > any attack.

first of; he dodged A's punch yes, but tobi did no atk rather a simple grab (tobi barely tried during that fight)...

Second off; where did you get the hint that he had to be visible to atk? And he has invisible swords so... Take the hint.. (slash you while he is still invisible). His element atks might be visible (ofc), but physical atks I don't think so.. he was a kage aswell you know, so why couldn't he be op like the "great minato"? (minato wasn't the best unique ninja you know...)

 

[Anub]

first of; he dodged A's punch yes, but tobi did no atk rather a simple grab (tobi barely tried during that fight)...

Second off; where did you get the hint that he had to be visible to atk? And he has invisible swords so... Take the hint.. (slash you while he is still invisible). His element atks might be visible (ofc), but physical atks I don't think so.. he was a kage aswell you know, so why couldn't he be op like the "great minato"? (minato wasn't the best unique ninja you know...)

I doubt Tobi wasn't trying in that fight.

And if he still is invisible, then it's quite impossible to kill him would you agree? And don't get me wrong...I am not defending only Minato. I suggested Kisame would be able to win as well and I could name a few more. And why should Muu be so OP? Story-wise it doesn't really help much...or at all. As much as I want to be background on the new characters, I would also like to maybe stop focusing on new random characters that stay for a few chapters and progress with the story.

bold : yes, I do know.

 

[Draegod]

I doubt Tobi wasn't trying in that fight.

And if he still is invisible, then it's quite impossible to kill him would you agree? And don't get me wrong...I am not defending only Minato. I suggested Kisame would be able to win as well and I could name a few more. And why should Muu be so OP? Story-wise it doesn't really help much...or at all. As much as I want to be background on the new characters, I would also like to maybe stop focusing on new random characters that stay for a few chapters and progress with the story.

bold : yes, I do know.

He is incredibly hard to fight, yes! But unbeatable? No!

there are a few I name aswell, but minato isn't one of them.. a trick to defeat his invisibility may be the environment (i.e. Foot steps on sand, water vibration waves, foot in snow..), but thats only the first step you have to worry about. You then have his incredible powers that could wipe you out, plus swordsman skills to worry about.. That all spells trouble for any ninja!

hell even tsunade and A knew no one could defeat him but onoki. That right there should say allot..

 

[Anub]

He is incredibly hard to fight, yes! But unbeatable? No!

there are a few I name aswell, but minato isn't one of them.. a trick to defeat his invisibility may be the environment (i.e. Foot steps on sand, water vibration waves, foot in snow..), but thats only the first step you have to worry about. You then have his incredible powers that could wipe you out, plus swordsman skills to worry about.. That all spells trouble for any ninja!

hell even tsunade and A knew no one could defeat him but onoki. That right there should say allot..

I'll start by saying that Tsunade and A underestimated Naruto a lot so I won't count their judgement for being too accurate. Also we all know how everyone reacted when KinGin bros appeared on the battlefield, yet they went down fairly easy.

And tell me something: how is Oonoki planning to defeat Muu if he's always invisible? There must be quite a few weaknesses there and I am still assuming that we needs to be visible when attacking.

But I gotta say...I am curious know of who do you think would stand a good chance of defeating Muu

 

[Dratasy]

Sharingan can detect people even if they're invisible, as seen by Obito's 2T sharingan in Kakashi Gaiden, so it's not like it's really that deadly, but yeah he's probably very powerful, just doubt he's ahead of some of the ones you listed, as of what we know right now anyways.

 

[Draegod]

Sharingan can detect people even if they're invisible, as seen by Obito's 2T sharingan in Kakashi Gaiden, so it's not like it's really that deadly, but yeah he's probably very powerful, just doubt he's ahead of some of the ones you listed, as of what we know right now anyways.

That ninja still had chakra, muu's invisibility is unique! He could erase his presence from the face of the earth! As in no chakra, sharingan and byakugan sees chakra, which he can completely erase! Soooo I wouldn't say a sharingan could detected him..

 

[Dratasy]

That ninja still had chakra, muu's invisibility is unique! He could erase his presence from the face of the earth! As in no chakra, sharingan and byakugan sees chakra, which he can completely erase! Soooo I wouldn't say a sharingan could detected him..

Don't have to add so many "!"