MU & Nindaime Mizukage vs 6 Paths

[Apêx1]

Nagato does win. 6pop is another story. You do know who the match up is for right?

Using a miscommunication as a reason for disregard is rather amusing.

Are people using Pein's Rain Tiger at Will technique as an argument against Mu's invisibility, and the Mizukage's mirage? You do know that the Jutsu only allows him to sense their presence, not locate them? If it did, there would be no need for him to send Konan out to search for Jiraiya, as well as lead him to Jiraiya.

The Rain will not enable him to locate Mu, although the Rin'negan may allow him to see through his Jutsu. [Debatable] As for the Clam, the Rain will not help him locate it either, but he should be able to take it out through other means, assuming he'll figure out the connection between the Clam and the Mirage. Regardless, the Rain will not be of use here.
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His chakra is infused to every rain drop and thus he relatively knows where the location of the obstructing thing would be. Similarly to a sensing barrier Jiraiya has employed, or a chakra field Neji has utilised in the past. Presumably, the only thing preventing the Rain from knowing the specific location is the massive magnitude it encompasses, which would make it relatively difficult. However, since this is a rather small location, he should relatively know where the clam is and fire a large Shinra Tensei towards it. Not only would it clear the mirage in that location (would form back), but it would also allow Pain to find out whether it is or isn't there (likely would be). Either way, Asura Path is always there in the case the first ST fails.

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take care of it with the utmost ease. And Rinnegan can perceive Mu, Mu's invisibility cannot hide from a Dojutsu user.

The Rinnegan most definitely perceives Mu. When Kabuto speaks of Mu's abilities, in the

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he claims Mu has no form nor chakra. Clearly, this would be a chakra sensing context as form is most certainly there, and chakra cannot be extinguished; it would be imminent death. Hence, Mu still has both chakra and form, merely the former being suppressed as does Karin suppress her chakra and concealed through the manipulation of water particles (as the DB suggests). Suppressing chakra does not make her immune to Dojutsu, as Dojutsu will spot the chakra either way (since it's there after all)..

 

[Bogard]

> Mizukage's illusion is a visual type one used to confuse opponent by creating fakes ones and Sharingan can track every visual illusional types except MS related illusions or above. No reason to assume Rinnegan would fall for Mizukage's illusion to begin with.

> Mu's technique uses water vapor to bend the light around the user making use of Water Release to do so. Rinnegan could see invisible barriers. No reason for me to assume it couldn't detect Mu

> Without the clam, only danger would be jokey boy(from Mizukage) and Mizukage is even tired and unable to move while using that move

> Jinton can be block with shinra tensei, or absorbed with gakido

> Bansho tenin should be able to attract Mu from afar(followed by human path or other things like that) or Shinra tensei to destroy him if close enough

 

[-6 Paths-]

Rain Tiger at Will can still be useful for printing out their location.

Im more interested in finding out what Gengetsu is capable of doing with rain here tho.

The Clam's location, possibly, due to its size, along with the fact that it seemingly stays in one place. Mu's location, not a chance.

His chakra is infused to every rain drop and thus he relatively knows where the location of the obstructing thing would be. Similarly to a sensing barrier Jiraiya has employed, or a chakra field Neji has utilised in the past. Presumably, the only thing preventing the Rain from knowing the specific location is the massive magnitude it encompasses, which would make it relatively difficult. However, since this is a rather small location, he should relatively know where the clam is and fire a large Shinra Tensei towards it. Not only would it clear the mirage in that location (would form back), but it would also allow Pain to find out whether it is or isn't there (likely would be). Either way, Asura Path is always there in the case the first ST fails.

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take care of it with the utmost ease. And Rinnegan can perceive Mu, Mu's invisibility cannot hide from a Dojutsu user.

The Rinnegan most definitely perceives Mu. When Kabuto speaks of Mu's abilities, in the

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he claims Mu has no form nor chakra. Clearly, this would be a chakra sensing context as form is most certainly there, and chakra cannot be extinguished; it would be imminent death. Hence, Mu still has both chakra and form, merely the former being suppressed as does Karin suppress her chakra and concealed through the manipulation of water particles (as the DB suggests). Suppressing chakra does not make her immune to Dojutsu, as Dojutsu will spot the chakra either way (since it's there after all)..

I'm not arguing against Pein being able to counter the Clam. As a matter of fact I'd assume that the minute he notices the Mizukage summoning the Clam, at which point it would begin oozing out mist, he'd take care of it immediately, most likely with a Shinra Tensei, or a rocket from the Shurado. Even if he doesn't, it should be possible to use his multiple summons [Most notably the self-dividing Cerberus] to locate the Clam, once he realizes that it has something to do with the illusions. My sole point is that using the Rain Tiger at Will technique as an argument for him being able to locate his enemies in a battle, when it was never portrayed being able to do that in the series, is just unnecessary. [I'll admit that there's a chance he'd be able to do it with the Clam, due to its aforementioned size and lack of movement, but against Mu, a small, moving target, the technique would be useless]

You could go ahead and speculate that decreasing the radius of the jutsu would allow him to further pinpoint them, but the fact of the matter is that such a thing was never implied in the series, and frankly, I doubt it'd even be necessary in this instance. The fact that Pein has a 360° attack in his arsenal, along with his summons and six different bodies, would be a far more useful asset than the rain, I reckon.

As for the Rin'negan, I never intended to argue against that point. I think it's safe to say that I agree with you on that point, as well as the majority of your posts in this thread, just aside from the Rain Tiger at Will technique.​

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[TRE MERCER]

Deva Path solos.

They cannot dodge nor survive a full scale Shira Tensei it isn't coming close to happening.​

 

[Latios]

6 Paths of Rape Low-Mid-Difficulty. Preta and Deva take the cake.

 

[Apêx1]

The Clam's location, possibly, due to its size, along with the fact that it seemingly stays in one place. Mu's location, not a chance.

I'm not arguing against Pein being able to counter the Clam. As a matter of fact I'd assume that the minute he notices the Mizukage summoning the Clam, at which point it would begin oozing out mist, he'd take care of it immediately, most likely with a Shinra Tensei, or a rocket from the Shurado. Even if he doesn't, it should be possible to use his multiple summons [Most notably the self-dividing Cerberus] to locate the Clam, once he realizes that it has something to do with the illusions. My sole point is that using the Rain Tiger at Will technique as an argument for him being able to locate his enemies in a battle, when it was never portrayed being able to do that in the series, is just unnecessary. [I'll admit that there's a chance he'd be able to do it with the Clam, due to its aforementioned size and lack of movement, but against Mu, a small, moving target, the technique would be useless]

You could go ahead and speculate that decreasing the radius of the jutsu would allow him to further pinpoint them, but the fact of the matter is that such a thing was never implied in the series, and frankly, I doubt it'd even be necessary in this instance. The fact that Pein has a 360° attack in his arsenal, along with his summons and six different bodies, would be a far more useful asset than the rain, I reckon.

As for the Rin'negan, I never intended to argue against that point. I think it's safe to say that I agree with you on that point, as well as the majority of your posts in this thread, just aside from the Rain Tiger at Will technique.​

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Fair enough, can't disagree with much here.​

 

[ARGUS]

the moment the rain drops from Rain Tiger fall at muu, pein would locate him,
regardless of whether he is moving or not, when pein can locate his whereabouts, he can just attack him with ST or missiles
not to mention that pein can also hide himself through chameleon, to stay safe from muus attacks, and sneak attack him with ST the moment they track him

 

[Nattana]

Aren't Rinnegan users supposed to be immune to ALL Genjutsu?

 

[ARGUS]

Aren't Rinnegan users supposed to be immune to ALL Genjutsu?

Nah only visual genjutsu
Peins were still affected by frog song

 

[Nattana]

Nah only visual genjutsu
Peins were still affected by frog song

Oh, right

 

[Bogard]

the moment the rain drops from Rain Tiger fall at muu, pein would locate him,
regardless of whether he is moving or not, when pein can locate his whereabouts, he can just attack him with ST or missiles
not to mention that pein can also hide himself through chameleon, to stay safe from muus attacks, and sneak attack him with ST the moment they track him

Is the rain drop actually a Pain move? I thought it was actually always raining in amegakure and that Pain was only using an ability of his to use the rain in question as a detection and remove it when need to be?

 

[Apêx1]

Is the rain drop actually a Pain move? I thought it was actually always raining in amegakure and that Pain was only using an ability of his to use the rain in question as a detection and remove it when need to be?

Databook:

Rain Tiger¹ at Will Technique (雨虎自在の術, Ukojizai no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Pain

Is this heavenly net of rain, falling down and enclosing, the tears of a god grieving for his village?

A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra. In the village of Amegakure, it rains each week on Sunday... This rain falls from rain clouds, formed with Pain's own chakra. During this technique, the falling raindrops are closely linked to pain's senses. When the rain is obstructed by a chakra belonging to someone not of the village, the existence of the intruder can be detected. Also, in order to function in the "place" where the technique was invoked, the rain will keep on falling until Pain uses the seal to cancel it. Therefore, when Pain leaves the village, he always uses this technique, keeping a close eye on the village of Amegakure.

[picture of Pain using this technique]
→When Pain unleashes the technique, the rain falls. The hunt for intruders begins...

Covering the village is a strict, vigilant net!!

[picture of the rain falling down on Amegakure]
↑The rain seems convenient for infiltrating. However, it is a definite trap.

¹ The tiger is well-known for its ferocity and watchfulness. It keeps a very close guard on its cubs, watches vigilantly for an opportunity to catch its pray, and walks huge distances to patrol its territory.

 

[-6 Paths-]

the moment the rain drops from Rain Tiger fall at muu, pein would locate him,
regardless of whether he is moving or not, when pein can locate his whereabouts, he can just attack him with ST or missiles
not to mention that pein can also hide himself through chameleon, to stay safe from muus attacks, and sneak attack him with ST the moment they track him

The Rain has never been shown to grant him the ability to pinpoint a person's whereabouts. He won't know Mu's exact location, the only thing he rain will tell him is that Mu is close to him. The locaion of the match up is Amegakure, and in that very same place Pein did use the technique, and then sent Konan out to locate the intruder for him. And yet, people now assume that he'll be able to pinpoint Mu's exact location with the technique.​

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Is the rain drop actually a Pain move? I thought it was actually always raining in amegakure and that Pain was only using an ability of his to use the rain in question as a detection and remove it when need to be?

Nah, it's a technique.

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[Bogard]

Databook:

The Rain has never been shown to grant him the ability to pinpoint a person's whereabouts. He won't know Mu's exact location, the only thing he rain will tell him is that Mu is close to him.​

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Nah, it's a technique.

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Okay thanks I asked because it always seemed to rain there(even when Tobi was facing Konan and he was actually surprised when it stopped raining)

 

[Bronze]

Mirage, by the definition, is an illusion functions by creating false images to the victim's eyes, which makes it a Visiual Genjutsu. I believe databook stated Rinnegan is immune to all Visual Genjutsu, and IT (most powerful one) is an example. With that being said, his Genjutsu becomes out of the picture.

Mu's invisibility mechanics is rather misunderstood by the audience. Like Karin is able to hide her Chakra from being detected by other sensors, Mu replicates the same thing in his invisible mode. He only hides the detection of his Chakra, but not the existence of his Chakra. To say he has no Chakra while invisible, is to say his invisibility won't activate without having Chakra activating; which means any Doujutsu could see through his invisibility.

6 Paths of Pain low difficulty.

 

[ARGUS]

The Rain has never been shown to grant him the ability to pinpoint a person's whereabouts. He won't know Mu's exact location, the only thing he rain will tell him is that Mu is close to him.​

Which all he really needs, in-order to stop muu from using his invisible attacks, and can then blow him away with ST

The locaion of the match up is Amegakure, and in that very same place Pein did use the technique, and then sent Konan out to locate the intruder for him. And yet, people now assume that he'll be able to pinpoint Mu's exact location with the technique.

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Pein sent konan out, after

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whether he can pinpoint muus exact location or not, matter of fact is that this jutsu is still a means of contact sensing,
when the rain hits muu, pein would immediately know his whereabouts, and can then hide himself with chameleon to get up close to muu and blow him up,

if muu resorts to his invisibility attacks, then rain tiger still keeps pein wary of him, and he gets located more easily if hes closer to pein, as well as the fact that the effects of ST would also be greater the closer he is to pein, meaning that he gets every bone in his body broken,

long range combat is also not helping him when jinton is the only thing working for him, which gets negated by preta or simply intercepted by Peins faster jutsus