Mu and onooki have counters to Amatratsu

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They counter it easily however with strategy he could hit them.

Itachi and Kisame win the fight for me though. Extreme High Dif. IMO

See if we had people like u on the thread I wouldn't have a problem i mean don't get me wrong
I may feel the tschikages win it but high
Diff nothing less (kisame is huge problem lol) when people say the akatsuki duo beats the 2 strongest tschikage low diff or itachi solos via Amatratsu it irks me and makes me do threads like this

I respect ur opinion + rep bro

 

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They counter it easily however with strategy he could hit them.

Itachi and Kisame win the fight for me though. Extreme High Dif. IMO

See if we had people like u on the thread I wouldn't have a problem i mean don't get me wrong
I may feel the tschikages win it but high
Diff nothing less (kisame is huge problem lol) when people say the akatsuki duo beats the 2 strongest tschikage low diff or itachi solos via Amatratsu it irks me and makes me do threads like this

I respect ur opinion + rep bro

 

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Here's the thing, Itachi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke so you cant really use that as a basis for how fast Ama is or how it works. In the five kage summit arc we saw that Ama spawned where Sasuke wanted it. Also its not like Itachi needs Ama to defeat them all he needs is 1 finger.

 

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Sasuke's amaterasu > ohnoki and Mù.

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Clearly it spawned. (he got better Controll over Amaterasu ) you cannot deny this


on Itachi i agree, Sasukes ama is far superior to his. itachi his a noob on amaterasu​

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it didn't travel here either.

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Sasuke is topic here itachi is the scan u provided itachi was in edo state with infinite stamina and chakra with no Ms draw backs clearly I am talking about an alive itachi unless u want to debate on how an edo itachi takes an edo Mu or edo onooki be my guest by u will lose lol

 

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True but Kisame is also at a disadvantage since both Muu and Oonoki use his elemental weakness. SO he would have to heavily rely on Sameheda for this battle. But backed by Itachi would help compensate for this weakness. Once Muu goe's invisilbe though things will get difficult for the Akatsuki duo though as His chakra is completely masked meaning Sharingan isn't going to see his chakra. And as long as he is not split he can blast his jinton from an unexpected locations when the 2 are dealing with Oonoki who is strong enough to stop a single meteor drop with his weight lighten jutsu.

what elemental weakness? Earth? It would be effective but isn't killing him. Oonoki used weight changing jutsu, that wouldn't be useful on water techs.

The thing about tht sameheada takes time to absorb something granted it absorbs at abnormal speeds but at same time it states for jinton once it touches something it disintegrates it upon contact if sameheada try to absorb it it would surely b disintegrated as it is not tht big and onooki and mu can shoot off jinton a that disintegrate the size of legged Susannos ..

Well Samehada has absorb multiple things instantly include kyuubi chakra, lightning and fire. I don't see samahade NOT absorbing jinton. If Kisame shoots GSB while they shoot jinton we all know the outcome

 

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True but Kisame is also at a disadvantage since both Muu and Oonoki use his elemental weakness. SO he would have to heavily rely on Sameheda for this battle. But backed by Itachi would help compensate for this weakness. Once Muu goe's invisilbe though things will get difficult for the Akatsuki duo though as His chakra is completely masked meaning Sharingan isn't going to see his chakra. And as long as he is not split he can blast his jinton from an unexpected locations when the 2 are dealing with Oonoki who is strong enough to stop a single meteor drop with his weight lighten jutsu.

what elemental weakness? Earth? It would be effective but isn't killing him. Oonoki used weight changing jutsu, that wouldn't be useful on water techs.

The thing about tht sameheada takes time to absorb something granted it absorbs at abnormal speeds but at same time it states for jinton once it touches something it disintegrates it upon contact if sameheada try to absorb it it would surely b disintegrated as it is not tht big and onooki and mu can shoot off jinton a that disintegrate the size of legged Susannos ..

Well Samehada has absorb multiple things instantly include kyuubi chakra, lightning and fire. I don't see samahade NOT absorbing jinton. If Kisame shoots GSB while they shoot jinton we all know the outcome

 

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Sasuke is topic here itachi is the scan u provided itachi was in edo state with infinite stamina and chakra with no Ms draw backs clearly I am talking about an alive itachi unless u want to debate on how an edo itachi takes an edo Mu or edo onooki be my guest by u will lose lol

But itachi is still stronger

 

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Here's the thing, Itachi wasn't trying to kill Sasuke so you cant really use that as a basis for how fast Ama is or how it works. In the five kage summit arc we saw that Ama spawned where Sasuke wanted it. Also its not like Itachi needs Ama to defeat them all he needs is 1 finger.

As for the killing thing please ... Dnt give me tht itachi knows what Amatratsu does .. He didn't know sasuke had oro inside of him until after Amatratsu and if sasuke didn't have oro inside of him then he would've been burned alive when he caught him so that statement is invalid besides when was last time in naruto we had a battle when one person wanted to kill the other ... ? (Besides Ay) I'll wait all major battles no one wants to kill anyone just stop them

Not gonna respond to stupidity all I ask is for u too clearly see your way out of this tread...

 

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But itachi is still stronger

Onooki and Mu by them selves can counter all of itachi best techs

Tsukyomi don't look in eyes

Amatratsu read above

Susanno an alive itachi can't maintain it for long not to mention both onooki and Mu can either hVe rock golem to battle it till he get tired or jinton it to put pressure on him (idk if Yata mirror can block it I'll just believe the hype for now ) or my fav make Susanno really heavy so itachi Susanno can't move

Crows can just fly out of range they r irrelevant

Fire style countered with Doton


Also this is not the point of thread the point is about Amatratsu not who is stronger

 

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what elemental weakness? Earth? It would be effective but isn't killing him. Oonoki used weight changing jutsu, that wouldn't be useful on water techs.


Well Samehada has absorb multiple things instantly include kyuubi chakra, lightning and fire. I don't see samahade NOT absorbing jinton. If Kisame shoots GSB while they shoot jinton we all know the outcome

We dnt know tht if sameheada doesn't like fire I'm pretty sure it won't like being disintegrated .... We have never seen either tht Jutsu or sameheada absorb something like jinton where it destroys at monocular level upon contact....

The hype for tht Jutsu is it eats Jutsu to make it stronger ok but what if the Jutsu destroys as soon as it touches something

And jinton hype and feats> sameheada hype absorption feats ...

It's one thing to absorb chakra but it's another to absorb a Jutsu that disintegrates u INSTANTLY upon contact

 

[Draphsin]

So the tsuchikage pair were up against itachi and kisame in a debate on who would win the fight I chose the tsuchikage pair
But that isn't the issue many itachi fanboys or itachi "supporters" seem to think that he can one shot both of them and solo them by himself -_- :| I think that is bullshit here's why

Curious why does everyone think itachi Amatratsu is so fast (I get why they think sasukes is) but why itachi's I know it's suppose to spawn but clearly it doesn't. It travels which is why when Ay dodged it it continued to go backwards until it hit something (samurai)

From what I remember hebi sasuke was able to outrun itachi amatratsu

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I could b wrong but I remember that fight. Itachi was tryin to Amatratsu everything kept using it while turinging his head to follow sasuke and from what I see the image shows for brief moment sasuke was outrunning it.
Why because in order for Amatratsu to work u have to have target in sight if the target is constantly moving will it work.

The reason why Itachi "followed" sasuke with his stream of ama is because he was purposely wasting chakra, as he wasn't trying to kill sasuke in the first place. We know that amaterasu spawns where the user is looking, & it's extremely fast [

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Once an amaterasu user has you in their line of sight & they have ama built up, you get hit, unless you have V2 level speed. The real trick to countering ama if you don't have the speed is knowing when it will activate which can be done through sensory abilities. [

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Note: Ama may be dependent on how much chakra one builds up based on obito's statement.

So in conclusion for the amount of ama that was used, sasuke should have been obliterated long before the forest caught on fire, he was easy to read as he wasn't moving faster than the naked eye can see. Plus the sharingan allows itachi to

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sasuke's movements, & he was moving in a straight line, there was absolutely no reason why itachi didn't roast him sooner.

Wasn't it also stated tht itachi is proficient with Amatratsu (compared to sasuke) due to lack of use because of chakra consumption (I mean look at Ms Sasuke lol)

You don't need to be proficient at learning a jutsu if it's already extremely powerful by itself. Genjutsu for example, or in extreme cases a bijuudama. If a jutsu is powerful, just knowing how to use it is enough.

Both onooki and Mu r in the air plus >>>> way faster then hebi sasuke

As I said earlier they aren't faster than the naked eye so they can't avoid ama if they let itachi charge it up, the only way they can avoid it is if they were to fly so high up that itachi wouldn't be able to see them anymore.

Also even if they couldn't avoid it Mu can split himself the go invisible to regenerate

Muu can counter amaterasu, he has sensory abilities plus splitting [but that would result in his defeat]. Muu vs itachi is a good fight but itachi would win more times than not.

Onoki may be able to dodge by making himself lighter but if he wasn't praised for his speed like the raikage then that makes this option unlikely.

and onooki can rap himself in his golem or stay behind on the golem back (using it as shield similar to what he did to Ay) and do the weight thing on it so it can move really fast and be really heavy when needed be

If onoki stays stationary he's doomed, Itachi concentrating his amaterasu on a single point would burn a hole straight through the golem & hit him regardless. & it's weight won't change the fact that concentrated ama would burn through it.

All I'm saying is both onooki can Mu have counters to Amatratsu

So yeah what do y'all think

While I agree with you, I had to clarify why itachi used ama the way he did against sasuke. He was burning way more energy than necessary & he wasn't even properly aiming for sasuke.

 

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The reason why Itachi "followed" sasuke with his stream of ama is because he was purposely wasting chakra, as he wasn't trying to kill sasuke in the first place. We know that amaterasu spawns where the user is looking, & it's extremely fast [

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Once an amaterasu user has you in their line of sight & they have ama built up, you get hit, unless you have V2 level speed. The real trick to countering ama if you don't have the speed is knowing when it will activate which can be done through sensory abilities. [

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Note: Ama may be dependent on how much chakra one builds up based on obito's statement.

So in conclusion for the amount of ama that was used, sasuke should have been obliterated long before the forest caught on fire, he was easy to read as he wasn't moving faster than the naked eye can see. Plus the sharingan allows itachi to

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sasuke's movements, & he was moving in a straight line, there was absolutely no reason why itachi didn't roast him sooner.



You don't need to be proficient at learning a jutsu if it's already extremely powerful by itself. Genjutsu for example, or in extreme cases a bijuudama. If a jutsu is powerful, just knowing how to use it is enough.



As I said earlier they aren't faster than the naked eye so they can't avoid ama if they let itachi charge it up, the only way they can avoid it is if they were to fly so high up that itachi wouldn't be able to see them anymore.



Muu can counter amaterasu, he has sensory abilities plus splitting [but that would result in his defeat]. Muu vs itachi is a good fight but itachi would win more times than not.

Onoki may be able to dodge by making himself lighter but if he wasn't praised for his speed like the raikage then that makes this option unlikely.



If onoki stays stationary he's doomed, Itachi concentrating his amaterasu on a single point would burn a hole straight through the golem & hit him regardless. & it's weight won't change the fact that concentrated ama would burn through it.



While I agree with you, I had to clarify why itachi used ama the way he did against sasuke. He was burning way more energy than necessary & he wasn't even properly aiming for sasuke.

Thank u for giving me real answer bro plus rep

As for him not trying to kill sasuke I dnt use tht excuse why because itachi did not have prior knowledge that oro was inside sasuke and he still hit sasuke with Amatratsu .... Without tht Jutsu tht sasuke used (because orochimaru) at tht point sasuke had no counter to Amatratsu

Also u do not know wether itachi was wasting chakra or not (there is no scan stating that he purposely used Amatratsu to weaken eye sight/waste chakra etc)I get it he planned his whole death battle against sasuke but it still doesn't change fact tht sasuke was outrunning Amatratsu because he was not constantly in itachis line of vision and that itachi did not know sasuke had a counter for it... So when he did hit sasuke with it what would he have done to sasuke if sasuke didn't have orochimaru ? So I'm sorry but I dnt believe he was just wasting chakra against his brother because itachi has a lot of other Justus that he could have used on his brother that wouldn't one shot him upon contact... I mean he did want sasuke to win right ..?


Agree with u about whole chakra build up thing

As for onooki and mu speeds granted they r fast already but not at v2 levels but can't blth of them each do the weight thing to make them selves close to v2 level I mean onooki did it to Ay and it greatly increased his speed way above v2

Also who said onooki will be stationary if he is on golem he can do what he did similar to Ay
While attacking
About tht Amatratsu burning straight hole inside the golem we both know it won't do tht right away it took a long time to burn through samurai armor (not long but some time)

We both know golem is Doton and doton>katon not saying tht amratrasu is normal katon cuz it isn't
But it will tak time to burn through the golem and onooki has shown to have multiple golems as well and Mu can give him some

If Amatratsu is on golem the Kage duo can use tht against kisame seeing as he can't absorb it cuz sameheada hates katon
Just saying

But plus rep bro respect ur opinion

 

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Samehada doesn't like the taste of fire and....? It absorbed it non the less. Samehada has absorbed things instantly ankisame can make it absorb rather it wants to or not. You are right Samehada wouldn't like being disintegrated that's why it would it absorb it. Also it been proven Samehada begins absorbing before physical contact to some degree as shown with the lightning infused swoard and the fireball was split wider than Samehada actual width.

Samehada has be stabbed and beaten and had no reaction but because it knocked bee on the head and bee said too hot? People think it won't absorb fire techs or instant damage techs. That makes no sense just think about it, Samehada taste chakra it simply doesn't like the taste of fire. It will still absorb it, why would it sit there and let itself burn when it can just absorb? This matters little since kisame can make it absorb.

 

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Samehada doesn't like the taste of fire and....? It absorbed it non the less. Samehada has absorbed things instantly ankisame can make it absorb rather it wants to or not. You are right Samehada wouldn't like being disintegrated that's why it would it absorb it. Also it been proven Samehada begins absorbing before physical contact to some degree as shown with the lightning infused swoard and the fireball was split wider than Samehada actual width

U cannot absorb something that disintegrates instantly upon contact

Let's b logical lets say sameheada scales r cells

The cells used to absorb will instantly start disintegrating once touching jinton

Sameheada won't have enough time to continuously regenerate cells to try to absorb it due to it's constant loss of cells at a rapid rate there for it would get disintegrated


I can see it absorbing Amatratsu why because it burns slowly so sameheada should have enough speed to regenerate enough cells absorb it eventually out speeding the burn process

But unfortunately jinton instantly starts disintegrating upon contact there for sameheada will not have the time absorb

 

[Solog0d]

Onooki and Mu by them selves can counter all of itachi best techs

Tsukyomi don't look in eyes

Amatratsu read above

Susanno an alive itachi can't maintain it for long not to mention both onooki and Mu can either hVe rock golem to battle it till he get tired or jinton it to put pressure on him (idk if Yata mirror can block it I'll just believe the hype for now ) or my fav make Susanno really heavy so itachi Susanno can't move

Crows can just fly out of range they r irrelevant

Fire style countered with Doton


Also this is not the point of thread the point is about Amatratsu not who is stronger

itachi wins bruh. he is also smarter

 

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itachi wins bruh. he is also smarter

Itachi is not smarter then onooki who is like 79 + and Mu who is older then onooki and it is not about who wins it's about the fact tht they have counters to Amatratsu

Now kindly see ur way out of this thread please

 

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itachi wins bruh. he is also smarter

How ?


Both onoki and muu fought madara so they know about genjutsu
so tsukyomi is useless

This thread > Amaterasu

They can fly out of the range of totsuka

katon useless .. muu is sensor .. onoki can use golem .. or both just flies


Jinton > susano

 

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U cannot absorb something that disintegrates instantly upon contact

Let's b logical lets say sameheada scales r cells

The cells used to absorb will instantly start disintegrating once touching jinton

Sameheada won't have enough time to continuously regenerate cells to try to absorb it due to it's constant loss of cells at a rapid rate there for it would get disintegrated


I can see it absorbing Amatratsu why because it burns slowly so sameheada should have enough speed to regenerate enough cells absorb it eventually out speeding the burn process

But unfortunately jinton instantly starts disintegrating upon contact there for sameheada will not have the time absorb

We are not gonna agree on samehada but we do agree on amaterasu. Tsuchikages can counter it and Samehada would absorb it (you have no idea how much debating I did with uchiha fanboys over amaterasu)
So +rep for that

 

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We are not gonna agree on samehada but we do agree on amaterasu. Tsuchikages can counter it and Samehada would absorb it (you have no idea how much debating I did with uchiha fanboys over amaterasu)
So +rep for that

Lol + rep bro

 

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Mu and Onoki aren't really that fast, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, they are definitely not as fast as Minato or Raikage, so I don't see how they would dodge it. Flying isn't really a counter, the user could just aim upwards, it might be harder to hit if they are farther away, but if you can sustain it or have EMS, you could keep spamming it like Obito spams Kamui. Eventually you'd hit the target. If they can't get close to you, it's harder for them to hit you as well.