MS Sasuke vs Sound 5

KidGamer65 · Nov 2, 2013

Touken said:
Whom? He was able to hit Bee with Amaterasu but he was one massive target. Itachi was unable to hit Sasuke with Amaterasu while he was moving. Zetsu spores were hit but they were running at him like idiots.

Against any and all of the Gokage he fought.

Against Obito.

Saying he won't tank an attack with Susanoo when that is what its made for doesn't make sense.

-Sasuke is faster than any of them.

-Sasuke saw it coming and started moving.

-Itachi used it to follow him instead of using it to spawn on him.

The initial use is the fast part.

Of course not. If they were standing still and Sasuke hit them with Amaterasu, they won't be able to evade it but they'll already be moving before Sasuke thinks of using Amaterasu.

That makes no sense, if they aren't fast enough to evade it when its used why would they be able to evade it when its used even if they are moving?

As soon as he's affected by Mugen Onsa he won't be able to maintain his Susanoo, leaving him open for an attack from Kidomaru.

Like I said in my edited post, he breaks it via pain and puts Susanoo back up.

Bad Touch Yakushi · Nov 2, 2013

KidGamer65 said:
Like I said in my edited post, he breaks it via pain and puts Susanoo back up.

Even if he can do this it still creates the vital 5-10 second opening that Kidomaru's or Kimimaro's projectiles or literally any of their summonings need to end the battle.

Touken · Nov 2, 2013

KidGamer65 said:
-Sasuke is faster than any of them.

-Sasuke saw it coming and started moving.

-Itachi used it to follow him instead of using it to spawn on him.

The initial use is the fast part.

Itachi's intention was to have it spawn on him but was unable to do so due to Sasuke moving.

That makes no sense, if they aren't fast enough to evade it when its used why would they be able to evade it when its used even if they are moving?

Because from what I remember, it's been unable to instantly spawn on people who are already moving. In that case, Sasuke would have to guess where his opponents would be for him to effectively hit them with Amaterasu. Also, at the same time, you've got Tayuya playing her flute, Kidomaru attacking his Susanoo with arrows and the other 3 heading him face on.

Like I said in my edited post, he breaks it via pain and puts Susanoo back up.

It'll take a few seconds for him to break the genjutsu since the genjutsu itself induces pain. His pain tolerance isn't high enough to ignore the genjutsu and go straight to breaking it. The few seconds his Susanoo is down leads to a massive opportunity for Kidomaru to take Sasuke down with an arrow.

Izuna Kakashi Senju · Nov 2, 2013

Tim Jamison said:
underestimating Sasuke right from the get go.

Sasuke wins mid difficulty.V3 Susano'o and Snake summon to travel with ease is all Sasuke needs.

Sasuke can locate them if they're hiding as KG said the arrows 1 shot them.

The bold solo'd this thread.

Bieber · Nov 2, 2013

MS Sasuke rapes.

Should have made it Hebi Sasuke.

KidGamer65 · Nov 2, 2013

Touken said:
Itachi's intention was to have it spawn on him but was unable to do so due to Sasuke moving.

What are you even talking about? It clearly wasn't as he spawned it in the same place Sasuke was standing at after he moved, and then started moving his head toward Sasuke to try and catch him with it. Completely different from what he did with Ay. The spawning of Amaterasu is fast, chasing him down with it by spawning it wherever his eyes move is not.

Not even gonna mention the fact he wasn't trying to kill him.

Because from what I remember, it's been unable to instantly spawn on people who are already moving. In that case, Sasuke would have to guess where his opponents would be for him to effectively hit them with Amaterasu. Also, at the same time, you've got Tayuya playing her flute, Kidomaru attacking his Susanoo with arrows and the other 3 heading him face on.

Wrong. He couldn't catch people with it while running. We have clearly seen that Ay needed V2 to evade the spawning of Amaterasu on him. That's a fact, so if he decides to use Amaterasu on one of them, they die and they aren't evading it.

numbers said:
Even if he can do this it still creates the vital 5-10 second opening that Kidomaru's or Kimimaro's projectiles or literally any of their summonings need to end the battle.

It'll take a few seconds for him to break the genjutsu since the genjutsu itself induces pain. His pain tolerance isn't high enough to ignore the genjutsu and go straight to breaking it. The few seconds his Susanoo is down leads to a massive opportunity for Kidomaru to take Sasuke down with an arrow.

Sasuke was completely fine when Kabuto used it on him in the manga, not to mention Senjutsu increases Genjutsu's powers. So yes, he can go straight to breaking it and he will be able to put Susanoo back up a second later as Shikamaru broke out the moment he felt physical pain.

This is for numbers as well.

Draegod · Nov 2, 2013

Kidomaru is immune to sasukes Ama and susanoo attacks. So that means sasuke will have to use genjutsu then slice him up.
Kimmimau out last sasuke. He literally has nothing that could kill him.
Tayuya spams genjutsu
Sakon and ukon just needs to get close enough then they rape sasuke.
Jarobo... well he just needs to sacrifice himself for the team! lmmfao

They have a chance If sasuke acts like a cocky deuce...

Bad Touch Yakushi · Nov 2, 2013

KidGamer65 said:
What are you even talking about? It clearly wasn't as he spawned it in the same place Sasuke was standing at after he moved, and then started moving his head toward Sasuke to try and catch him with it. Completely different from what he did with Ay. The spawning of Amaterasu is fast, chasing him down with it by spawning it wherever his eyes move is not.

Not even gonna mention the fact he wasn't trying to kill him.

Wrong. He couldn't catch people with it while running. We have clearly seen that Ay needed V2 to evade the spawning of Amaterasu on him. That's a fact, so if he decides to use Amaterasu on one of them, they die and they aren't evading it.

Sasuke was completely fine when Kabuto used it on him in the manga, not to mention Senjutsu increases Genjutsu's powers. So yes, he can go straight to breaking it and he will be able to put Susanoo back up a second later as Shikamaru broke out the moment he felt physical pain.

This is for numbers as well.

He wasn't totally fine, he had to have Itachi break him out of it and vice versa. He's going to have to deal with it the hard way and it'll be like when Orochimaru did a similar trick to him in the Forest of Death, it will take less time than that of course but to say a second is ridiculous. If you're also going with the snake-riding Sasuke that a lot of people are doing
then that just puts Sasuke in more danger as Snakes may not have ears but use an 'inner ear' inside their head to hear.

They're highly susceptible to vibrations and a Snake has no way of being able to wake itself up, the snake will remain paralysed and Sasuke will be sent flying. Even if Aoba could move, Kidomaru's huge Spider, Tayuya's Doki and Sakon/Ukon's Rashomon are more than a match. Hell, I even believe Kimimaro with his agility, taijutsu and dexterity could combat the snake.

Cooh · Nov 2, 2013

lol @ everyone who said the sound 5 would win

Touken · Nov 2, 2013

I'll leave the argument with Itachi considering he wasn't trying to kill him.

KidGamer65 said:
Wrong. He couldn't catch people with it while running. We have clearly seen that Ay needed V2 to evade the spawning of Amaterasu on him. That's a fact, so if he decides to use Amaterasu on one of them, they die and they aren't evading it.

Ay was standing still at first. He moved after Sasuke used Amaterasu.
@bold: What? That was my point; the 3 going against Sasuke head on are going to be running, not standing still. Sasuke isn't going to use Amaterasu as soon as the battle starts (which is the only time they'll be standing still), it's not IC for him to do that.

Sasuke was completely fine when Kabuto used it on him in the manga, not to mention Senjutsu increases Genjutsu's powers. So yes, he can go straight to breaking it and he will be able to put Susanoo back up a second later as Shikamaru broke out the moment he felt physical pain.

Could you show me a scan?

KidGamer65 · Nov 2, 2013

numbers said:
He wasn't totally fine, he had to have Itachi break him out of it and vice versa. He's going to have to deal with it the hard way and it'll be like when Orochimaru did a similar trick to him in the Forest of Death, it will take less time than that of course but to say a second is ridiculous. If you're also going with the snake-riding Sasuke that a lot of people are doing
then that just puts Sasuke in more danger as Snakes may not have ears but use an 'inner ear' inside their head to hear.

When I said totally fine I was mean pain wise, as Touken stated that his pain tolerance isn't high enough to withstand it and then go right to breaking it.

He only needs Amaterasu to inflict pain on himself, and that spawns in a second. The moment he feels pain the Genjutsu is broken as shown by Shikamaru and then he kills Tayuya via Arrow.

They're highly susceptible to vibrations and a Snake has no way of being able to wake itself up, the snake will remain paralysed and Sasuke will be sent flying. Even if Aoba could move, Kidomaru's huge Spider, Tayuya's Doki and Sakon/Ukon's Rashomon are more than a match. Hell, I even believe Kimimaro with his agility, taijutsu and dexterity could combat the snake.

And no, I'm not going with the snake summonings.

Touken · Nov 2, 2013

KidGamer65 said:
When I said totally fine I was mean pain wise, as Touken stated that his pain tolerance isn't high enough to withstand it and then go right to breaking it.

He only needs Amaterasu to inflict pain on himself, and that spawns in a second. The moment he feels pain the Genjutsu is broken as shown by Shikamaru and then he kills Tayuya via Arrow..

He isn't going to use Amaterasu to inflict pain on himself, especially not when it's MS Sasuke and he's aware of the effects of using the Mangekyou for too long. It's also an extreme way of self-inflicting pain to break the genjutsu. Sasuke has to instantly self inflict pain as soon as that genjutsu hits. Can Sasuke do that?

KidGamer65 · Nov 2, 2013

Touken said:
I'll leave the argument with Itachi considering he wasn't trying to kill him.

Ay was standing still at first. He moved after Sasuke used Amaterasu.
@bold: What? That was my point; the 3 going against Sasuke head on are going to be running, not standing still. Sasuke isn't going to use Amaterasu as soon as the battle starts (which is the only time they'll be standing still), it's not IC for him to do that.

Let me explain this.

There are two parts to using Amaterasu.

-Spawning it initially.

-Spawning it and then using it to chase the opponent.

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Sasuke just let it spawn right on Ay (Or tried to). Itachi's spawned in an empty space and then he proceeded to use it to chase Sasuke down. That is the only reason he was able to evade briefly. (Still got hit)

They aren't escaping the initial spawning of Amaterasu as they aren't as fast as Ay nor can they sense chakra in any way shape or form. Even if you were right, it doesn't change the fact that Hebi Sasuke is much faster than any of these guys. The point you are making is NOT the same as the point I am making.

Could you show me a scan?

No hint of pain whatsoever.

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This was enhanced by Senjutsu as well.

Touken said:
He isn't going to use Amaterasu to inflict pain on himself, especially not when it's MS Sasuke and he's aware of the effects of using the Mangekyou for too long. It's also an extreme way of self-inflicting pain to break the genjutsu. Sasuke has to instantly self inflict pain as soon as that genjutsu hits. Can Sasuke do that?

Are we gonna go down this road now? You can't be serious.

-Do it.

-Or die.

Its really clear what he'll do. Using the Mangekyo for extended periods of time has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever.

All he needs is a little bit, yes he can do it and yes he will do it. You saying he won't isn't changing that.

-He stabbed himself with a Kunai just to free himself from Oro's killing intent.

-Shikamaru broke his finger.

But Sasuke won't burn his skin a little bit? Smh.

Bad Touch Yakushi · Nov 2, 2013

Cooh said:
lol @ everyone who said the sound 5 would win

Time for you to be educated.

Why You're Probably Underrating The Sound 4

Orochimaru is a reasonable guy, he has ninja like Jugo, Kabuto, Suigetsu and Kimimaro and yet the band of Sound ninja he trusts the most to go and do his dirty work and collect LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HIM (Sasuke's body) to the Sound 4. The Sound 4 get ripped on quite a lot, and fair enough. You'd probably call him 'fodder' and 'THEY GOT BEAT BY A BUNCH OF GENIN LOL' isn't a creative or a very reasonable comment at all.

People underestimate these characters severely, they managed to ambush a top team of Leaf chunnin and jonin led by Shizune & Genma and effortlessly beat an angered Curse Mark Sasuke to a pulp (something Gaara couldn't do in the Chunnin exams) These guys have strength! They set traps and have good tactics, but the reason they all lose (other than the plot) is because they are all matched up badly. I mean, imagine if Tayuya got matched up with anyone BUT Shikamaru, let's say Chouji. Chouji is too slow and wouldn't be able to figure out her pretty impressive strategy and her strong summoning jutsu, he'd have been powerless with or without the pill. Imagine if Shikamaru ended up with Jirōbō! Not much time to come up with a strategy when you're being beaten to a pulp by a Chakra giant... We all KNOW what happened to Naruto when he got singled out by Kidomaru...