MS Sasuke vs. Rock Lee and Kiba

[shelke]

Near-Blinded Sasuke used Chidori with great precision.

 

[Penguin]

I knew I shouldn't have posted on this thread. Blind Sasuke ain't shunshin'n shit as long as Lee is around. And if you want to bring up Sasuke's speed hype; in blinding mist, Rock Lee in base intercepted Haku while transporting through his Ice Mirrors which is hyped to be at the speed of light. He'll have no problem doing the same to a near blind and exhausted Sasuke, especially if his focus is on Kiba. And Lol @ blind Sasuke hitting gated Lee with amaterasu/arrow.

That was weighted Lee btw

 

[Touken]

as i said amaterasu isn't needed, the two arrows he fired at kakashi is enough.

-Kakashi's Kamui was fast enough to warp both the arrows.

-Kamui isn't nearly as fast as JM Madara's Onmyoudon orbs. It took double the warp speed and still Obito barely made it to the Kamui dimension [

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-6G (6 Gates) Lee was able to instantly react to Madara's Onmyoudon orbs and get Minato's kunai high into the air before the orbs got to Gai [

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[shelke]

^ Obito's Kamui was slow because of the weight of all the chakra he was carrying.

 

[Touken]

Madara established both Kamui are slower than his orbs [

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[shelke]

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- Obito has shown to warp away much faster than Naruto in KCM could hit him.

 

[Touken]

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- Obito has shown to warp away much faster than Naruto in KCM could hit him.

And that adds further credit to the speed of the Onmyoudon orbs. MS's translation says something else [

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[shelke]

^ That doesn't state anything differently, as Obito was unable to perform Teleportation when he was a Juubi. He actually mentions it. Bijuu Chakra has proven to be heavy. 6 Gates Lee cannot be faster than Sharingan sight. There is nothing to prove this. Mind you, Kakashi created a warp point before himself, which is why both arrows got Teleported. He didn't exactly snipe them.

 

[Touken]

^ That doesn't state anything differently, as Obito was unable to perform Teleportation when he was a Juubi. He actually mentions it. Bijuu Chakra has proven to be heavy. 6 Gates Lee cannot be faster than Sharingan sight. There is nothing to prove this. Mind you, Kakashi created a warp point before himself, which is why both arrows got Teleported. He didn't exactly snipe them.

Yeah, it does. There's no reference to how the Rinnegan or the Kyuubi makes Kamui teleportation slow in that scan. Where's your evidence supporting that heavy chakra slows down Kamui teleportation? Juubito couldn't slip through things with Kamui but as the Kyuubi's host he can slip through attacks as quickly as he's always done.

Kakashi sniped them. He can't create warp points, nothing of the sort's ever been shown in the manga.

 

[shelke]

^ That Juubito evidence is sufficient.

He did so with the nail.

 

[slimreaper]

Both characters are sincere of beating Sasuke, so they arent going to hold back talking to him. Rock Lee is aware he copy his speed in the base, while Kiba witnessed it in part 1. They will be on a constant move. All I can say here is that they will do their best to think they need to one-up when it comes to speed.

why does that matter? sasuke has already surpassed that level of speed on his own

 

[Touken]

^ That Juubito evidence is sufficient.

He did so with the nail.

No he didn't. If he could create warp points, he would have made one ahead of all the moving targets he's sniped previously in the manga, since it's a much more reliable way of using Kamui. Also, it doesn't make sense. When he uses Kamui, he doesn't open up a hole, instead he sends his target to the Kamui dimension via warping.

Loads of other reasons as to why Juubito couldn't use Kamui but it doesn't really matter. It's clear that Lee in 6 Gates is faster than Kakashi's Kamui and that itself is sufficient against MS Sasuke.

 

[Bogard]

And that adds further credit to the speed of the Onmyoudon orbs. MS's translation says something else [

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Kakashi's Kamui is faster than 8gated Gai, let alone Lee. You've really gone overboard in speed if you really believe this. Kakashi warped the onmyoudon sphere before 8gated Gai could even move an inch

 

[shelke]

No he didn't. If he could create warp points, he would have made one ahead of all the moving targets he's sniped previously in the manga, since it's a much more reliable way of using Kamui. Also, it doesn't make sense. When he uses Kamui, he doesn't open up a hole, instead he sends his target to the Kamui dimension via warping.

Loads of other reasons as to why Juubito couldn't use Kamui but it doesn't really matter. It's clear that Lee in 6 Gates is faster than Kakashi's Kamui and that itself is sufficient against MS Sasuke.

Even Deva didn't notice it. He created the warp-point right before his eye for the nail.

Well, there is no point in arguing here. You can believe it if you want.

 

[Touken]

Kakashi's Kamui is faster than 8gated Gai, let alone Lee. You've really gone overboard in speed if you really believe this. Kakashi warped the onmyoudon sphere before 8gated Gai could even move an inch

lol? You can't be serious. You don't even know when he started the execution of Kamui as it was all done off panel, not to mention the fact that Gai wasn't running towards the Onmyoudon sphere, he was literally just gliding towards Madara.

 

[Bogard]

lol? You can't be serious. You don't even know when he started the execution of Kamui as it was all done off panel, not to mention the fact that Gai wasn't running towards the Onmyoudon sphere, he was literally just gliding towards Madara.

It was never off-panel. We know exactly when he started and that was when 8gated Gai was still in his sky-walk like movement in the air [

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], yet he warped it faster than 8gated Gai could move an inch. Kamui is faster than 8gated Gai

 

[Touken]

It was never off-panel. We know exactly when he started and that was when 8gated Gai was still in his sky-walk like movement in the air [

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], yet he warped it faster than 8gated Gai could move an inch. Kamui is faster than 8gated Gai

He was gliding which isn't anywhere near as fast as 8G Gai running. When he's running in the air he continuously kicks the air and that's displayed by pinches of white [

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[Bogard]

He was gliding which isn't anywhere near as fast as 8G Gai running. When he's running in the air he continuously kicks the air and that's displayed by pinches of white [

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]. Gai only kicks the air once there and that was to advance towards Madara. You see no more pinches of white after that, meaning he's no longer running i.e. advancing at full speed. Kamui being faster than 8G Gai is not the least bit true, especially when 8G Gai is much faster than Madara's orbs and the orbs are much faster than Kamui.

Gliding changes nothing in Gai's speed. He has already shown to run perfectly fast in the air [

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Gai is as well never faster than the orbs. He had to get saved by Minato here from them [

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What you don't understand is that it's Gai's punches who are incredibly fast, not particularly his movement speed

 

[shelke]

I can't believe it has come to this - I agree with Bogard, for once.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

why does that matter? sasuke has already surpassed that level of speed on his own

It matters because they know he is very fast :|