MS Sasuke vs Gaara and Mei

Sasuke vs Mei and Gaara

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I was simply saying with the limited space at hand that the hawk can move around to sasuke is more prone to incoming attack's that is all. By prepping I am assuming he will use amaterasu since it's faster correct? Just so you know, when sasuke used sussano against danzo +amaterasu the strain was too much and his sussano deactivated.[ ][ ].

If his susano goes down from using amaterasu from trying to prep kirin he leaves him self defenseless against gaara's sand.

Prepping as in shooting great fire dragon techs in the air, which one should note, where capable of breaking through the ceiling despite being made of fire. Proves they pack a strong punch in addition to immense heat.

Nah, he doesn't need to amateratsu the air, nor will one amateratsu leave him in enough strain to deactivate Susano. There were many more factors involved.

Oh you said sussano..? woops.

Sussano Hand? That's plausible but I don't see the whole hand covering the whole bird without the hand restraining the bird by grasping it, the sand can simply go around the hand and attack the hawk from a visible spot from which the hand failed to cover.

Good point. However, the hawk is moving at high speeds while the sand is closing in. Sasuke's Susano sword should still be capable of halting it, or slowing it down. Anyways, Sasuke doens't need to remain airborne the entire fight. Amateratsu is used, Mei is out, Sasuke goes back to ground level where he can defeat Gaara.


My point still stands, Mei will be able to evade it via sand cloud for a period of time just as Sasuke did against Itachi, if sasuke is focusing on Mei, gaara can simply step in with sand and count attack, also whats stopping gaara from wrapping Mei can sand when he see's amaterasu following Mei?

What? Mei isn't the one avoiding it. Nothing at all implies either of the two can react to it, let alone move away from it. She won't be moving away like Sasuke was moving away, because the sand cloud requires acceleration before reaching a speed as fast as Sasuke's. Sasuke was already running, and Itachi wasn't even trying to kill him. Given Sasuke's killing intent, Mei dies instantly, and she isn't avoiding it at all. Are you really underrating ama's speed this much? He isn't warping her before Ama reaches, not even close. Mei doesn't control the cloud, Gaara does. You think he will waste chakra for no reason just making her move top speed the entire time? No, extremely unlikely.

Snake summon? That would cause trouble.., Didn't really take Aoda into consideration.

Body flame technique? All Mei has to do is use hidden mist technique again or simply somehow control the mist via chakra to go to where Sasuke appears after using body flame technique.
Yes, I can see Aoda as a decently large factor incase I actually need to exploit him in this fight.
I don't recall her being able to cover an entire area with mist. She will only increase the concentration since its been said the more chakra expended into it, the thicker the mist (not the larger the mist). I don't believe she can move the mist, correct me if I am wrong (pretty sure she can't). Mist won't move at Sasuke body flam tech speed even if she had such an ability.

It isn't that fast but I said it would prolong Mei's roasting from amaterasu and like I said again, sasuke focusing on Mei gives gaara a chance to counter attack or he can wrap Mei with his sand to defend against amaterasu and simply shed off the sand.

But if you bring Aoda into this Ill might as well go with ms sasuke, Aoda is pretty powerful. Idk how gaara and Mei would face against such a large summon.
She won't be moving at high speed the entire time, since Gaara controls the cloud. He has no reason whatsoever to keep the cloud moving and waste his chakra. Sand isn't as fast as Ama, no feats of it being that fast.

Yes, Aoda is an ass-pain for them and could plow through Mei like she was nothing. Mei's lava may have an effect, but Mei's lava will only be momentary and will also contribute towards Sasuke's Kirin prep. imma sleep :|
 
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Amaterasu isn't different. It's just a flame that won't burn out until you seal it. I'll repeat once again that even though we don't know how Mei's body works, it has special defenses of some sort. Deidara for example had to run away from his C4, I'm pretty sure that Kakashi could drown himself if he got caught in his own Suiton. Naruto got hurt by his own Fuuton: Rasenshuriken, yet Mei doesn't give a crap by when lava drips on her body, when acid mist's around her or when she gets his by V4 Susanoo or Shinsuusenju.
Imo, Amaterasu would do nothing to her.




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I already agreed, she has unexplained resistance feats. However, I have no reason to accept ama being a non-factor against Mei due to unexplained feats.
edit: Amateratsu has been shown to eat through anything. It eats through chakra, toads "non-breatchable mouth" and fire itself. Mei isn't tanking until feats of her being capable of tanking amateratsu are brought to play.
 
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Sasuke wins mid difference. Until his sand shows actual speed feats against Arrows, then people can talk. Sasuke can utilize hawk summon to avoid the sand grasps and conserve his stamina without forcing himself to use Susano'o. Gaara can be put under Genjutsu. If he uses Absolute defense and his third eye, he's either put under Genjutsu or his defense pierced with Arrows.

Amaterasu sweep like Itachi and his regular Katon would kick-start the hot spot storm easily. Once Kirin is prepped, Gaara is obliterated along with his sand. Sasuke's Genjutsu and Amaterasu alone is the game changer here as Gaara possess no speed or sensing feats to shore up his defenses for these. Hawk Summon gives him that much more areal mobility. It was fast enough to dodge Danzo's Fuuton at close range, and so, it'll be fast enough to elude Gaara's Sand.

Mei is a non-factor here. There is nothing stopping Sasuke from finishing her with Amaterasu right off the bat. Sand Cloud or her own speed aren't enough to escape Sasuke's line of sight. Her being a problem for Amaterasu Spawn is a far-fetched assumption.
 

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Prepping as in shooting great fire dragon techs in the air, which one should note, where capable of breaking through the ceiling despite being made of fire. Proves they pack a strong punch in addition to immense heat.

Nah, he doesn't need to amateratsu the air, nor will one amateratsu leave him in enough strain to deactivate Susano. There were many more factors involved

True he can always use katon but amaterasu would be a faster process. Zetsu noted how sasuke lured itachi outside to also use Amaterasu's heat to fuel kirin[ ]. I won't deny sasuke won't possibly use katon to prep kirin but then again using amaterasu seems more likely to me but whatever.

How were their many other factors involved when it came to sasuke using amaterasu making his sussano deactivate? As I recall, sasuke was talking to danzo for the majority of the time in the beginning and then use sussano for a little bit of time and then fired off a amaterasu and his sussano dropped due to the strain? Unless I missed something?

Good point. However, the hawk is moving at high speeds while the sand is closing in. Sasuke's Susano sword should still be capable of halting it, or slowing it down. Anyways, Sasuke doens't need to remain airborne the entire fight. Amateratsu is used, Mei is out, Sasuke goes back to ground level where he can defeat Gaara

I suppose he can slow the sand down by using sussano swords and etc but do keep in mind this is putting a strain on sasuke's body. And Mei is not out.

What? Mei isn't the one avoiding it. Nothing at all implies either of the two can react to it, let alone move away from it. She won't be moving away like Sasuke was moving away, because the sand cloud requires acceleration before reaching a speed as fast as Sasuke's. Sasuke was already running, and Itachi wasn't even trying to kill him. Given Sasuke's killing intent, Mei dies instantly, and she isn't avoiding it at all. Are you really underrating ama's speed this much? He isn't warping her before Ama reaches, not even close. Mei doesn't control the cloud, Gaara does. You think he will waste chakra for no reason just making her move top speed the entire time? No, extremely unlikely

I was under the impression that whenever Ms sasuke used amaterasu blood dripped from his eye which would be an indication that amaterasu was about to be released? If gaara and Mei notices this they can easily get prepared can they not? Don't see mei dying instantly considering Gaara can make the sand cloud go different angles causing sasuke to focus more on mei leaving him open to gaara's sand attacks.

1. @bold? warped? Don't know what you mean.

2. Yes I know gaara controls the cloud, your point? Gaara managed to control his own , obviously he can multitask.

Please, he won't be wasting chakra considering the fact his chakra reserves are enough already, adding in the fact he won't be making Mei move at top speed the entire time because I said once again if sasuke is focusing on mei he is leaving himself open to sand coming from the side/behind/under him. And this scenario is assuming they are airbone for the majority of the time, they could very well be on the ground in which Mei and gaara have the advantage due to hidden mist and sand sensing.

Also the fact I see no reason why Mei cannot perform hidden mist no jutsu while airbone unless you have a scan that saids she cannot? Amaterasu will be rendered useless if mei just so happens to be able to.

Yes, I can see Aoda as a decently large factor incase I actually need to exploit him in this fight.
I don't recall her being able to cover an entire area with mist. She will only increase the concentration since its been said the more chakra expended into it, the thicker the mist (not the larger the mist). I don't believe she can move the mist, correct me if I am wrong (pretty sure she can't). Mist won't move at Sasuke body flam tech speed even if she had such an ability

Well obviously with Aoda this fight is pretty much in sasuke's hand.

Im aware of the whole concentration in regards to the mist but I see no reason why the destination per say or the movement of the mist cannot be manipulated by the user? But your point has been established needless to say.

She won't be moving at high speed the entire time, since Gaara controls the cloud. He has no reason whatsoever to keep the cloud moving and waste his chakra. Sand isn't as fast as Ama, no feats of it being that fast.

Yes, Aoda is an ass-pain for them and could plow through Mei like she was nothing. Mei's lava may have an effect, but Mei's lava will only be momentary and will also contribute towards Sasuke's Kirin prep. imma sleep

And While sauske is focused on Mei he is open to gaara, your point? Please, He is hardly wasting chakra. Your bringing up sasuke using amaterasu and sussano and summoning aoda yet you have the nerve to say gaara is wasting chakra, implying that gaara will run out first when you and me both know how amaterasu and sussano have deadly effects on the user not only in restrain and pain on the body but also a lot of chakra taxing.

Indeed Aoda would be a pain in the ass but as you said lava may prolong he demise and also if they see kirin being prepped can't gaara, use sand clouds to get out himself and mei out of the radius(obviously not the entire radius) of kirin to lessen the damage?
 
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Mei and gaara win this mid/high diff
 

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Mei and Gaara with high diff. In 1 vs 1 Sasuke take both of them.
 

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MS Sasuke doesn't even have Aoda ._.
 

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Current Gaara? Ill go with gaara and Mei.

Mei does Hidden mist no jutsu thus taking away sasuke's vision, gaara can still sense where sasuke is due to his sand sensing ability, so gaara can still detect and attack sasuke in the mist while sasuke cannot.

Madara was able to clear the mist with his Susanoo blade so I don't see why Sasuke can't do the same damn thing.
 
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True he can always use katon but amaterasu would be a faster process. Zetsu noted how sasuke lured itachi outside to also use Amaterasu's heat to fuel kirin[ ]. I won't deny sasuke won't possibly use katon to prep kirin but then again using amaterasu seems more likely to me but whatever.

How were their many other factors involved when it came to sasuke using amaterasu making his sussano deactivate? As I recall, sasuke was talking to danzo for the majority of the time in the beginning and then use sussano for a little bit of time and then fired off a amaterasu and his sussano dropped due to the strain? Unless I missed something?

And a much more costly one. People seem to overlook how jutsu was the greatest factor in the cloud formation. One can see and that the clouds are low in numbers (both in bottom right panels). However, once this jutsu has been fired, the sky becomes completely filled with thunderclouds [ ], completely. You can try to argue it isn't a big facotr, but Kishi portraying something which isn't logical in real life doesn't mean it isn't logical in the manga, hence Sasuke re-creates such a scenario and ends.
An ascending dragon of flames, consuming the enemy with sharp fangs burning brightly!!

Compressing a great amount of chakra build up inside the body and changing its shape into that of a blazing dragon. Then skilfully manipulating that great fire, one attacks the enemy before one's eyes! If this technique is mastered, it is also possible to fire off several flames after each other. Even outside of the attack range, its power and reliability are stressed. The flames have such a high temperature, they can create updraughts which in turn give rise to cumulonimbus clouds¹! The fate of the person caught in the dragon flame's sharp fangs is to be reduced to ashes in an instant...!!

Again, there are no feats at all of Gaara's sand being as fast as shunshin'ing Sasuke, who's speed is insane. And even then, when there was no intent to kill him via amateratsu, Sasuke was hit. Mei evades amateratsu for 1 second tops until further evidence against such can be given. Gaara won't be making Sasuke vulnerable, he will make the hawk vulnerable. Once Mei dies, Sasuke can simply un-summon the hawk and go back to ground level.

How aren't there many factors is the question.
1. Sasuke fought the entire summit
2. Sasuke used amateratsu
3. Sasuke spammed enton
4. Sasuke used ribcage susano for long duration as well as his v3 Susano for a short duration
5. Used v2 Susano against danzo for a decent amount of time, and crushed him twice with it.
6. THEN, and only then, did he use amateratsu, and THEN deactivate it. Stop underrating his stamina, his stamina is seemingly large in MS.

I suppose he can slow the sand down by using sussano swords and etc but do keep in mind this is putting a strain on sasuke's body. And Mei is not out.

Yes, straining him out in an extremely slight fashion. I already have shown why he was so easily strained. V2 susano just punching away at the sand will slow it down, and not cause too much strain like you make it seem. By then, Mei would be long dead, amateratsu would've just burned through her head.

I was under the impression that whenever Ms sasuke used amaterasu blood dripped from his eye which would be an indication that amaterasu was about to be released? If gaara and Mei notices this they can easily get prepared can they not? Don't see mei dying instantly considering Gaara can make the sand cloud go different angles causing sasuke to focus more on mei leaving him open to gaara's sand attacks.

1. @bold? warped? Don't know what you mean.

2. Yes I know gaara controls the cloud, your point? Gaara managed to control his own , obviously he can multitask.

Being prepared=/=being able to do anything about it. So Gaara can multi-task and Sasuke cannot? What kind of bias is this lmao. The hawk isn't stationary anyways, the sand isn't as fast amateratsu, nor is the sand cloud much faster than the hawk. Hawk flying away from the sand, while Sasuke, using his MS Pre-cog and vision, shoots Amateratsu at Mei and kills her, before sand ever reaches him. Sand isn't remotely fast enough to keep up with amatertasu, unless you can disprove it.

1. Warped as in the sand engulfing Mei (as you said) before amateratsu reaches Mei's body. Deidara was capable of exiting sand warping even though it was much larger and he was much further from it. Amateratsu is much faster than Deidara, and thus should be capable of penetrating a much closer ranged sand encasing attempt.

2. I didn't say he couldn't, I am simply saying Sasuke can multi-task as well.. Anyways, since when does Mukton have any astounding speed feats? It doesn't, Amateratsu does, your point is moot. Using this to exemplify him multi-tasking in a perfect manner isn't that good.

Please, he won't be wasting chakra considering the fact his chakra reserves are enough already, adding in the fact he won't be making Mei move at top speed the entire time because I said once again if sasuke is focusing on mei he is leaving himself open to sand coming from the side/behind/under him. And this scenario is assuming they are airbone for the majority of the time, they could very well be on the ground in which Mei and gaara have the advantage due to hidden mist and sand sensing.

Also the fact I see no reason why Mei cannot perform hidden mist no jutsu while airbone unless you have a scan that saids she cannot? Amaterasu will be rendered useless if mei just so happens to be able to.

So because he has large reserves, he doesn't waste chakra? What kind of sorcery is this? He wastes chakra despite large chakra reserves. He's basically wasting chakra every single millisecond of the fight keeping himself and Mei air-borne, it will stack as the fight prolongs in the air. Sasuke can multi-task, or is Gaara the only on who can? Sasuke can have his ama reach before the sand does, this was addressed somewhere before in this post. If they are on the ground, the only factor is gaara, since Sasuke can just move locations. Unless you are saying Mei doesn't follow along, your point is moot.

When did I says he cannot? What I said was that Sasuke isn't stationary while in the air, the mist is and doesn't move. Sasuke moving locations is all it takes to have made Mei waste chakra for nothing at all. Sasuke using his v2/v3 for a momentary period where he can swipe away the mist is viable.

Well obviously with Aoda this fight is pretty much in sasuke's hand.

Im aware of the whole concentration in regards to the mist but I see no reason why the destination per say or the movement of the mist cannot be manipulated by the user? But your point has been established needless to say.
He can arguably win without this, I will exploit him if I have to.

I don't recall any scans of her or Zabuza to do such a thing, even if it should be plausible, I don't see why I should agree with something that is featless and barely implied anywhere in the manga.

And While sauske is focused on Mei he is open to gaara, your point? Please, He is hardly wasting chakra. Your bringing up sasuke using amaterasu and sussano and summoning aoda yet you have the nerve to say gaara is wasting chakra, implying that gaara will run out first when you and me both know how amaterasu and sussano have deadly effects on the user not only in restrain and pain on the body but also a lot of chakra taxing.

Indeed Aoda would be a pain in the ass but as you said lava may prolong he demise and also if they see kirin being prepped can't gaara, use sand clouds to get out himself and mei out of the radius(obviously not the entire radius) of kirin to lessen the damage?
Again, it only takes 1 second for amateratsu to be prepped and have reached its destination with massive hypersonic speeds. Mei won't evade for long, nor will Gaara's sand come remotely close to this speed. Sasuke finishes her off before Gaara's sand ever comes into close proximity of Sasuke, and then proceeds to deactivate the bird and go to ground level. Once Sasuke has summoned Aoda/Hawk and used amateratsu once on Mei, the fight is his, chakra won't be needed much more to be honest. Why wouldn't I, I have no reason to consider Gaara fully rested after Sasuke has finished off Mei, he wasted chakra and that's fact. Never did I imply Gaara will run out first lmao, where was this implied?

Mei dies before Lava is used via amateratsu, or being crushed/eaten by Aoda. Even if she uses it, he isn't being killed from it, it will quickly harden on his skin given his low body temperature on a massive body. How will Gaara know when Kirin is prepped, is he also looking at the sky now throughout the course of the fight, another multi-tasking? How about he reads a book as well? Gaara won't know, and even if he does, Kirin is directed, thus should have no problem demolishing any sand along with Gaara. Attempting to run is futile, Aoda is present as well, and Kirin is being directed, they can't outrun lightning, which is prepped extremely quickly via his Katon.
 
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The Dragon Katon attack was the core factor in instigating the storm. Sasuke himself states so. I don't see what's to deny here.
 
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