[VS] MS Sasuke & Orochimaru Vs SM Naruto & Jiraiya

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Sauce & Oro Vs. Naruto & J-man

Area: Naruto vs pain fight

Distance:70m

Conditions: Naruto has 2 saved sage mode clones, MS sasuke has his vs danzo feats, orochimaru has arms

Restrictions: Ma & Pa & ET


Scenario 2: No restrictions​
 

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Team 2 mid to high diff depending on how long it takes Jiraiya to kill sasuke
 

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Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.
 
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1. Reverse summons to Mt Myoboku
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I was talking about Pain arc Sage mode naruto but w.e
 

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Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.

Sigh, and this is exactly why I hate fan fiction match ups.

1. Sasuke is not getting hit with any form of Rasen Shuriken, and an Oodama FRS is easily evaded.

2. Naruto dodging Amaterasu is not happening, and is completely fan fiction. Naruto is not feinting Amaterasu with a clone, jesus Christ, Amaterasu has turned into the most underated, low tier of abilitiy every since 1. A dodged it, 2. A "Juubi Jin Obito" sensed it and 3. The man who knows every single secret to every single uchiha ability "Madara" just simply brushed it off like it was nothing. Kabuto dragon sage mode sensing capabilities <<< Naruto's own. And guess what, Kabuto couldn't react to susanoo arrow it hit his tail, he got lucky. Kabuto also couldn't react to Amaterasu, remember? sasuke shot it a couple feet in front of him "In attempt to halt him from rushing them which he succeeded" Kabuto was completely unaware of it till he saw it visually hit the ground, then he reacted, if sasuke would of aimed it directly at his body then that would of been different.

3. SM naruto has neither the base speed, or jutsu speed to land a single ability on sasuke.

4. SM naruto wouldn't be able to rush/blitz hebi sasuke, let alone MS sasuke.

5. Sasuke has never had trouble identifying the real naruto from his clowns in the past so shadow clones is irrelevant.

6. Rasengan barrage? u mean that incredibly slow, aerial attack that naruto used on a massive kurama that is easily hit because, well, I don't know.... he's as big as a mountain? lol? In that case Chidori senbon disrupts his multi shadow clone rasen barrage spam?


I honestly don't see anything less than KCM naruto matching an MS Sasuke as EDO itachi matched him with ****ing ease. I just don't see it, call me crazy, but it is what it is. Agreed an Oodama FRS is enough to completely obliterate MS sasuke susanoo, the fact of the matter is, will it hit? you honestly believe shadow clone diversions are enough to fool, and give naruto an opening on hitting sasuke? really?

Also frog kata? lol if it does come down to CQC Chidori Nagash range > Frog kata or Sasuke simply holds up a V1 rib cage susanoo incased in enton and naruto gets burned. Frog kata is not breaking V1 Susanoo rib cage when A's liger bomb completely destroyed everything in its surrounding and left a tiny crack... in sasuke rib cage.

Sasuke is to much for naruto, period. In jutsu variety, battle tactics, and everything else. Naruto would need "Plot-No-Jutsu" on his side and have 3-4 sage mode clones on stand by to replenish himself to match MS sasuke. Other then that, sasuke works this kid.

BTW; I had a change of heart, SM naruto just might be capable of dodging a susanoo arrow, maybe.
 

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Sigh, and this is exactly why I hate fan fiction match ups.

1. Sasuke is not getting hit with any form of Rasen Shuriken, and an Oodama FRS is easily evaded.

Based on? Oh wait, nothing. Naruto can use multiple FRS at a time via clones, and the larger ones have a blast radius that Sasuke isn't going to escape if it explodes near him.

2. Naruto dodging Amaterasu is not happening, and is completely fan fiction. Naruto is not feinting Amaterasu with a clone, jesus Christ,

I'm waiting for your argumentation and not this nonsense here. When you can tell me why he can't do it, with valid reasoning, then I will concede this point.


Amaterasu has turned into the most underated, low tier of abilitiy every since 1. A dodged it, 2. A "Juubi Jin Obito" sensed it and 3. The man who knows every single secret to every single uchiha ability "Madara" just simply brushed it off like it was nothing. Kabuto dragon sage mode sensing capabilities <<< Naruto's own

No, Amaterasu is wanked to hell and back, this being the perfect example. Naruto was sensing the war going on, which was over a country's distance away from him, as he was on Turtle Island at the time. Kabuto has no sensing feat that surpasses Naruto's, so unless you have real evidence for the bold, you are wrong.


And guess what, Kabuto couldn't react to susanoo arrow it hit his tail, he got lucky. Kabuto also couldn't react to Amaterasu, remember? sasuke shot it a couple feet in front of him "In attempt to halt him from rushing them which he succeeded" Kabuto was completely unaware of it till he saw it visually hit the ground, then he reacted, if sasuke would of aimed it directly at his body then that would of been different.
Kabuto already evaded it in canon. The only reason he got hit the second time is because Itachi used the Yasaka Magatama to distract him. Sasuke doesn't have a second person here who will be available to distract Naruto, so that isn't happening. "he got lucky" isn't an argument.

The rest is irrelevant as Naruto has knowledge on the jutsu, and its been shown that with normal chakra sensing, it can be predicted. Naruto senses with Sage Mode, superior to Nagato's normal chakra sensing, so sensing Amaterasu coming is child's play. He simply sticks a clone in front of him and blocks it.



3. SM naruto has neither the base speed, or jutsu speed to land a single ability on sasuke.
Based on?

4. SM naruto wouldn't be able to rush/blitz hebi sasuke, let alone MS sasuke.
I only said rush, not blitz.

5. Sasuke has never had trouble identifying the real naruto from his clowns in the past so shadow clones is irrelevant.
Its manga fact that only Madara can tell clones from the original. When you can get proof that Sasuke can do the same, then we'll talk. Cause he has never shown that he can do that, he's only defeated all the clones that Naruto sent after him.

6. Rasengan barrage? u mean that incredibly slow, aerial attack that naruto used on a massive kurama that is easily hit because, well, I don't know.... he's as big as a mountain? lol? In that case Chidori senbon disrupts his multi shadow clone rasen barrage spam?

Chidori Senbon aren't going to do jack to Chou Oodama Rasengan. The best he can do is try to hit the clones, but they can block with their own Rasengan, so that isn't going to work either. And the jutsu is as fast as its user. SM Naruto isn't slow, so he won't attack slow, and he doesn't need to come from above, so get that idea out of your head.

I honestly don't see anything less than KCM naruto matching an MS Sasuke as EDO itachi matched him with ****ing ease. I just don't see it, call me crazy, but it is what it is. Agreed an Oodama FRS is enough to completely obliterate MS sasuke susanoo, the fact of the matter is, will it hit? you honestly believe shadow clone diversions are enough to fool, and give naruto an opening on hitting sasuke? really?
Then you can't be taken seriously. KCM Naruto didn't use any Ninjutsu against Itachi, he only had a brief skirmish with him. In what universe is that the same as matching him in combat? Oh wait, its not.

Who ever said anything about diversions? If Sasuke is in Susanoo, Naruto chucks an FRS at him, if he tries to evade the first one, the second one that follows Naruto's first one kills him. Where are the speed feats that allow him to evade FRS's blast range? If it explodes near him, he dies and its as simple as that.

Also frog kata? lol if it does come down to CQC Chidori Nagash range > Frog kata or Sasuke simply holds up a V1 rib cage susanoo incased in enton and naruto gets burned. Frog kata is not breaking V1 Susanoo rib cage when A's liger bomb completely destroyed everything in its surrounding and left a tiny crack... in sasuke rib cage.
Read my post before replying. It'd only come down to CQC how I said it would if Sasuke had to put down Susanoo due to Amaterasu, so using it right after isn't happening, as the manga has showed us. And Chidori Nagashi would briefly stun Naruto, but Naruto can just send a clone to fight Sasuke in CQC first, and once he uses Nagashi, the original attacks him. Or he can just evade Nagashi.

Sasuke is to much for naruto, period. In jutsu variety, battle tactics, and everything else. Naruto would need "Plot-No-Jutsu" on his side and have 3-4 sage mode clones on stand by to replenish himself to match MS sasuke. Other then that, sasuke works this kid.

Nah, that's clearly wank talking. War Arc SM Naruto wrecks Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He doesn't need SM clones and stand by to beat him, nor does he need them at all during the war arc.
 

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Team 1 mid diff.

Sasuke can close the distance between himself and Naruto, then proceeds to one-shot him with Amatersu. Orochimaru finishes Jiraiya off with 8 Branch.​
 

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Based on? Oh wait, nothing. Naruto can use multiple FRS at a time via clones, and the larger ones have a blast radius that Sasuke isn't going to escape if it explodes near him.
Okay? fact of the matter is it is still "A slow ass attack and hasn't hit anybody other than when he was able to guide it with chakra arms." Once again you are under the assumption that there is a chance in hell that sasuke will be hit with a FRS period. Under the assumption that they will be having a ranged fight, either way sasuke easily either gets rid of them via Ama, and simply proceeds to easily dodge a second. If all else fails he uses the lowest level of genjutsu and makes naruto believe he has been hit and killed by one and proceeds to move forward. Exactly how many FRS u think naruto is throwing out before his sage mode runs out? exactly how many have you've seen him throw out in sage mode period?



I'm waiting for your argumentation and not this nonsense here. When you can tell me why he can't do it, with valid reasoning, then I will concede this point.






No, Amaterasu is wanked to hell and back, this being the perfect example. Naruto was sensing the war going on, which was over a country's distance away from him, as he was on Turtle Island at the time. Kabuto has no sensing feat that surpasses Naruto's, so unless you have real evidence for the bold, you are wrong.

He sensed the war going on after Shikumaru father connected him via his shadow possession jutsu? and I'm guessing he had some intel on what was going on with the war. But it did happen after the link between the 2 was made. Either way, what does that have to do with him being able to react in the mist of everything else sasuke has to throw at him, and your going to tell me in SM he is going to dodge Ama? LOL now who's wanking bruh? its not happening. Hypothetically speaking lets say he can "magically" sense any jutsu thrown at him, the hell makes u think hes fast enough to dodge something as instant as Ama? or wait.. shadow clone in 1 billionth of a second before it hits like it has a travel time? lol, please.


Kabuto already evaded it in canon. The only reason he got hit the second time is because Itachi used the Yasaka Magatama to distract him. Sasuke doesn't have a second person here who will be available to distract Naruto, so that isn't happening. "he got lucky" isn't an argument.

True, sasuke did say he invaded it forgot about that, but kabuto not only had sensing from dragon sage mode, but he also had the terrain advantage, plus those snakes that amped his sensing as well. Manga fact, he even stated that his sensing is unmatched.

The rest is irrelevant as Naruto has knowledge on the jutsu, and its been shown that with normal chakra sensing, it can be predicted. Naruto senses with Sage Mode, superior to Nagato's normal chakra sensing, so sensing Amaterasu coming is child's play. He simply sticks a clone in front of him and blocks it.

Ridiculous, once again, naruto is not sensing Amaterasu coming until proven otherwise and to say its child's play? lol, like I said, Naruto knowledge of the ability means jack shit, he still is not dodging it and the coin is in the air if he is even able to sense something that sasuke can spam effortlessly and instantly. Honestly, we are talking about the dumbest fighter in the series hands down vs the most intelligent. We are talking about someone whos always had ally's and intel on his side vs the someone who's always had to hold his own against miss matches and far superior opponents and came out on top. Skill vs Plot, period.


Based on?


I only said rush, not blitz.

He's not rushing sasuke


Its manga fact that only Madara can tell clones from the original. When you can get proof that Sasuke can do the same, then we'll talk. Cause he has never shown that he can do that, he's only defeated all the clones that Naruto sent after him.
Chidori Senbon aren't going to do jack to Chou Oodama Rasengan. The best he can do is try to hit the clones, but they can block with their own Rasengan, so that isn't going to work either. And the jutsu is as fast as its user. SM Naruto isn't slow, so he won't attack slow, and he doesn't need to come from above, so get that idea out of your head.


Not to sound ignorant here but I do recall during their fight at the final valley sasuke making a statement to naruto that his shadow clones are not going to work, with his sharingan he can ignore the clones and go straight to the real you, and that he was just toying with him.... Or maybe that's how it was worded via anime? I'm going to check up on it. If what you said is true, then lets fan fict, what makes u think that sasuke wouldn't make childs play out of naruto shadow clones as he has always did? because they are more advanced? well, guess what, so is sasuke.

Then you can't be taken seriously. KCM Naruto didn't use any Ninjutsu against Itachi, he only had a brief skirmish with him. In what universe is that the same as matching him in combat? Oh wait, its not.
Who ever said anything about diversions? If Sasuke is in Susanoo, Naruto chucks an FRS at him, if he tries to evade the first one, the second one that follows Naruto's first one kills him. Where are the speed feats that allow him to evade FRS's blast range? If it explodes near him, he dies and its as simple as that.


Can't be taking seriously? KCM naruto is a joke, I hate getting into this debate, did he not admit that he needed to nine tails chakra to fight on par with a "Yes, im going to say it" blind, and weakened sasuke.... yet he still was able to sense the depth of what he was originally capable of doing? KCM naruto got worked, effortlessly by nagato, while edo itachi seemed to make childs play out of him. Killer bee had to fight against the Jin-churiki whilst carry naruto ass to safety because he couldn't dodge such a straight forward, slow, punch from the jinchuriki of Son Goku, feel to the ground and had to be rescued and carried off by killer bee covering for his ass because his speed feats or inconsistent as hell.

I don't even want to get into garbage KCM naruto who's only displayed feats beating on white zetsu clones.

Read my post before replying. It'd only come down to CQC how I said it would if Sasuke had to put down Susanoo due to Amaterasu, so using it right after isn't happening, as the manga has showed us. And Chidori Nagashi would briefly stun Naruto, but Naruto can just send a clone to fight Sasuke in CQC first, and once he uses Nagashi, the original attacks him. Or he can just evade Nagashi.

Sigh, again, Sasuke makes child play of naruto's clown with Kenjutsu enchanced with Enton or Chidori like he's always had.


Nah, that's clearly wank talking. War Arc SM Naruto wrecks Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He doesn't need SM clones and stand by to beat him, nor does he need them at all during the war arc.

No wank bruh, you clearly are delusional if you would put your money on someone who has not yet managed to defeat a single enemy other than "Kiba, and Neji" by himself, and someone as great as a fighter as sasuke who's soloed countless, 0 intel and 0 plot. And then you want to give them intel on each others ability? Yeah, sasuke takes this fairly easily.
 

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Team 1 mid diff.

Sasuke can close the distance between himself and Naruto, then proceeds to one-shot him with Amatersu. Orochimaru finishes Jiraiya off with 8 Branch.​

Bold; and that's all she wrote, don't understand why people try to complicate things. It is, that easy.
 

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Bold; and that's all she wrote, don't understand why people try to complicate things. It is, that easy.

I keep asking myself the same. I guess either they're delusional or in denial.​
 

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and someone as great as a fighter as sasuke who's soloed countless, 0 intel and 0 plot. And then you want to give them intel on each others ability?


loooooooooooooooool. you are so delusional it's hilarious. Sasuke has just as much plot on his side as Naruto up until this point in the manga. shut your mouth, Sasuke fapboy.
 

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Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.

Took the words out of my mouth U_U Team 2 wins mid diff.
 

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i now kidgamer didnt say Naruto can dodge a susanoo arrow on foot Lel he couldnt even counter blind Madara with no sm on foot susanoo arrow is much faster team Sasuke wins both
 
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