Obito doesn't have Izanami, knowing about it is different from having it. Like I already mentioned the 'crow clone scenario'. If Itachi uses his crow clones wisely, he can counter Kamui. What's more is that this technique of Itachi's takes up less chakra, again working to his advantage. Read my previous posts on Page 3.
If you read the tablet in Naka Shrine you know all the secrets to the sharingan. If he was able to use Izanagi that means he most likely knows Inzanami as well.
Itachi says, "Only a sharingan user with the same blood as me can defeat me.." - implying a family member and clearly referring to Sasuke. Later his word was proved as Sasuke was shown breaking Tsukuyomi. This was the first time ever, Tsukuyomi was broken.
Databook says otherwise.
Susano is compact, only having enough space to protect the user. Obito will not be able to touch Itachi.
Susano'o doesn't shield Itachi from underneath and Obito can travel through the ground. Don't say Yata either because how is Yata supposed to deflect something that can't even be touched.
Lmao, this was a joke and nothing serious.
He has to hit Obito and Obito has to hit him to produce the same exact feelings. He can't hit Obito so, Inzanami won't work.
The scans weren't very helpful as Obito's duration of when he activates/deactivates Kamui cannot be shown. But like I already told you about the 'crow clone scenario' which will be a problem for Obito.
How are YOU not getting that?
Uh the scans showed that his kamui is almost instant if not instant. He warped into jinton and saved Sasuke when Onoki just used the jutsu.
How will a bunch of crows become a counter for Obito? They can't touch him if he is underground or if he fully warps into kamui.
You know what I meant, he isn't stupid but he's not as clever as Itachi. I'm an Itachi fapboy, lmao. By the looks of our conversation, you seem to be a gigantic Obito fapboy.
Kakashi has more battle experience and is almost as smart as him. Nope, Lord Swagsuke.
Lmao, i'm feeling the same. I asked you a question, how he will deal with clones? It would be really difficult. Btw, he hasn't got Byakugon lol so he won't be able to see from the back. It would a freaky sight with hundreds of crows flying
He can see from the back with the sharingan. [
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around Obito and they try to attack him by going through him to peck him but he uses Kamui. While he's concetrating, a clone will just appear in his blind spot and grab him from behind as soon as 5mins are over(since he will become tangible then). Then another will appear infront of him and trap him in Tsukuyomi.
Since you want to just make up stuff like Itachi can summon 100s of crows and keep them up for 5 minutes so, will I.
Obito uses offensive kamui, Itachi loses his head.
@bold - give me a manga scan where it states this? There's a reason why it's called a CROW CLONE jutsu.
I'm not looking for that. It would take too much time to find and its obvious that a crow can't turn into Itachi.
What's Izanagi gonna do? Just cause Obito to lose an eye, well which he probably wouldn't need after reading this thread. But then what? The fight will just go on as normal.
He won't have to use it unless he gets burned my amaterasu.
Clone will be important in this fight, since it would be 1v1 and it's Itachi who's intelligence is one of the highest. His strategies are although similar but still different compared to other ninja. He is tactical.
Obito isn't an idiot.
Water takes care of any Fire techniques Obito may have. Just to remind you, the water also surrounds the location where the fight is. Obito is not Madara, his fire techniques are not that large and impressive as Madara's. Besides, who says Itachi can only summon the crows once. If Fire gets rid of them, Itachi will just summon more.
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One clone will be useless against Obito and that's why I said many crows will be present and will eventually form a number of Itachi clones. Obito is not Top 3, that is just your opinion as the Obito fapboy you seem to be.
Show me a scan of Itachi's clones turning into him. Obito is Top 3; 1. Edo Mad 2. Edo Hash 3. Obito.
Suiton > Katon
Crows > Intangiblity
Clones > Tangiblity
Tsukuyomi > Obito(when tangible)
Eh I don't think Itachi's suiton can be used on the same level as Obito's katon. The rest is complete bullshit tbh.
Itachi thought Madara and Obito were the same person. In other words, he got the impression that Madara was really powerful as to be alive even now. Obito also used the same style as Madara by attacking Konoha which is why Itachi thought it was Madara. Because he saw Obito who called himself Madara, alive even after all these years, he considered Madara to be "..
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.." after supposedly being alive after all these years.
He compared Obito to Madara then.
Like I already said, "Itachi can simply repeat the technique and it is known that the creation of crows does not require much effort." But what if as Obito's using katon, he becomes tangible and then the crows behind Obito turn into a clone and rips his neck off with a kunai? O_O This could always happen
Crows can not turn into clones. Provide a scan if you think they can.
Obito is not allowed to enter the Kamui dimension in this fight, as doing so would indicate he is escaping from the fight which would mean Itachi has won.
Making up restrictions like this now? Because it's a counter to simple crows? I see.
Maybe not the only counter, but it is the only effective counter I can think of for Itachi. Nevertheless there are probably more that Itachi might know of.
It's a counter that won't work.
This scan clearly shows that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is ineffective against Sasuke and if we look back at that previous scan, it proves this one to be of the truth. Itachi implied that only those with the same blood as him can beat Tsukuyomi referring to Sasuke. From this scan we can see it, and even Zetsu says "He didn't get hit..He overcame it."
The scan I showed of him breaking the genjutsu was long before that.
Of course it can, unless you can prove otherwise.
Madara has Susano'o so, he definitely has tsukuyomi and amaterasu. Who fought him? Hashirama did. Chance of him using it? Highly possible. Hashirama's DNA improves Obito stamina/chakra reserves vastly. Tsukuyomi isn't going to kill him..
@bold - when did I say Izanami can be used while Izanagi is being used? I merely said, it's pointless to use Izanagi in the fight. Even if Obito uses it, the fight would continue normally. As soon as Obito becomes tangible, he can hit Obito. Itachi can measure the duration of how long it takes for Obito to become tangible again.
You said in one of your post that Izanami is a perfect counter to Izanagi and said Izanagi won't be used.
Lmao, I can say the same for you.. smh If Obito uses Izanagi, then it's only defensive kamui and like the previous posts suggest, the offensive kamui is not that useful. I only added it so that he can actually be considered MS Obito otherwise people would get confused and think he has Rinnegan.
Offensive kamui > Itachi's head. It's useful but, he won't have to use it against Itachi.
People won't think he has rinnegan unless you say Prime Obito.
I only gave Obito more skill in Mokuton NOT more Senju DNA. There is a difference and this suggests that he will lose alot of chakra if he uses the high-class Mokuton techniques like Mokujin and Hotei no jutsu. Also Senju DNA does not anywhere near improve the amount of skill a ninja has. Skill comes from the knowledge and experience gained. Madara is the only one with the highest level Katon techniques and this is obviously due to the amount of experience he has.
Senju DNA does not give him mokuton, Hashi's DNA gives mokuton. Senju/Hashi's DNA does improve a ninja's skills; they get huge amounts of chakra reserves and unmatched stamina. Obito has been fighting Naruto non stop for like 12 or so hours and during that time he controlled the bijuu, summoned Gedo, fought four people [One is on Demi-God level], controlled the Juubi, used insanely high level katon, and is now fighting Naruto. Yeah it doesn't improve a ninja's skills at all.
Anyway, I do have to say we should end this discussion. All in all, it could go either way... but it has been good arguing about this like idiots lol You had some good points. =D Thanks for your time, later. *_*
Bye.
