Can someone please post that so-called Itachi counter to Kamui/intangibility with a serious logic behind it, other than Obito's lame monologue, then we might have something here. Otherwise, this is a tiring argument that requires no major proof. Obito can simply outclass Itachi and win.
He goes intangible instantly and with the sharingan he will know if another clone is coming or not. Once he sees the clone he can go intangible and Itachi's clone or himself just goes right through him.
Wow, you really are becoming difficult to convince. :yeah: Just wondering whether Izanami is placed on us because we are going around in a endless loop.
You need to understand the math behind this. What's the duration in which Obito can become intangible and then tangible again? According to you, Obito becomes intangible in a second and then tangible after a few seconds. So he becomes intangible within a 1 second and then after 5 seconds he will become tangible and then intagible again within a second. In other words, you are trying to say he can become intangible much quicker the second time than the first after being tangible. What you're implying here is clearly illogical since Obito is still a human at the end of the day and not a machine. Lol
Naruto's KCM clone is stronger than Itachi's clone. Kakashi's intelligence is almost equal to Itachis'. You're making it seem like he has so much battle experience but, he doesn't. His battle experience isn't better than Kakashis' and he is the one who came up with that plan.
Actually, Kakashi is kinda stupid or rather not as smart as Itachi. Admit it, if he was then why did he himself get trapped into Tsukuyomi while warning everyone else during Part 1? The word 'stronger' here is vague. If your referring to physical strength then Naruto is probably stronger after seeing him break one of Pein's paths but that is still not very helpful in this fight between Obito. Itachi doesn't have much battle experience but his analysis is on a high-level than most shinobi, just like he was calm and analyzed the situation when he was against Nagato and Kabuto. This is probably Kakashi's only time and after so long while displaying such intelligence. However, Itachi's is instinctive and always was.
Once again you are underestimating the sharingan and Obito's intelligence. Clones also just don't appear were ever you want them to. The clone will appear next to Itachi unless he set it up before hand. Still with the sharingan he can read Itachi's movements and his clones and counter. He abuses the fact that he can't be hit and I don't see how you aren't getting this. Itachi doesn't have an attack that last for 5 minutes and a simple clone isn't going to trick him.
You're making it out to seem like he could do the same thing as Minato but, he can't. FTG is instant, a clone is not.
Why is it that you always talk about the sharingan being able to see clones but when I tell you about this, you deny mentioning such a thing? Nevermind, you're making the point that he can see clones. Big deal, how is he going to deal with them? Especially if they keep moving and are like copies of Itachi, Obito will just get confused and run low on chakra after overuse of Kamui. :yeah: The crow bunshin technique is one of Itachi's trademark techniques. It is very effective and really good since it consists of crows flying around the opponent at first, and then the crows form clones of Itachi.
Minato brings about speed to his advantage. However, bunshin is also effective since it brings quantity to the user's advantage and this can be used as a counter or as a technique that can last for a long time as long as it isn't desrupted.
Using a crow clone will not make Obito think he is in a genjutsu. I've already stated that with the sharingan he can see his chakra network and tell if he is in a genjutsu. Obito won't use the offensive feature of kamui for a simple clone; they dispel after 1 or 2 hits. He doesn't need to tell which one is the real Itachi if he sees 2 people running after him. Even if the real one is hiding and goes for a sneak attack it won't work because he can go intangible.
Maybe it won't make Obito seems like he's in genjutsu but it will most certainly confuse him. Tell me how Obito is gonna be left untouched if Itachi, uses the crows to fly fast around Obito for 5mins while trying to peck him and Obito uses Kamui. After 4mins, a group of crows keep flying through Kamui while a clone forms with the other amount of crows... ready to attack him. I don't care what you think now but Obito will most surely get hit if this happens. Don't underestimate Itachi. He can always stay calm and analyze situations and then humiliate his opponents which is why this is one of the main reasons he is in my Top 5. That dude is awwsomee..
Never said he could regenerate instantly but, it's sped up greatly. He has direct access to Hashirama's DNA and Madara even praised Hashirama's self-healing abilities.
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Kakashi isn't an Uchiha. Obito knows if he gets hit by tsukuyomi he's done and he also knows that sharingan genjutsu is short range and he will keep his distance. Also he can't be hit by genjutsu while he is intangible.
@bold - Thank you for stating that. Again if we consider the 'crow clone scenario', as soon as 4mins are over and the crows are flying around and through Obito(while being intangible), Itachi's crow clones will form which means one will grab Obito as soon as he becomes tangible after 5mins are over, while another clone stands in front of Obito either casting sharingan genjutsu or Tsukuyomi on him. *_*
Notice how Itachi has never called Obito, Obito but Madara instead of Obito. This means that quite clearly, Itachi didn't know who Obito was and didn't even know whether he existed or not. Itachi got the impression that Obito was actually Madara, the legendary shinobi whom the sources and words from people of the leaf were talking about. Madara was a shinobi feared by all. Knowing the fact that this Madara was still alive and had a new dojutsu(Kamui?) caused Itachi to be more hesitant and think more rationally before fighting the Masked man or trying to get rid of him. This is why he never attacked him otherwise he obviously would've killed him just like the manga scan I showed you says. Obito said himself that if Itachi knew the truth about him, Obito would be dead. This proof should be sufficient. U_U
Looking back at the 'crow clone scenario', if Obito does use Izanagi during the process of the crows flying around and through him, then Itachi can simply repeat the technique and it is known that the creation of crows does not require much effort. Therefore, using Izanagi would only further worsen Obito's chances of winning. Lol
Now this is actually my last post. The only reason I replied to the this one is because of that manga scan. MS Obito beats Itachi; he can just defend the whole time with kamui. Abusing that will lead to Itachi collapsing because of his use of MS. Also when Minato fought Obito that time he was barely use to fighting. Ever since then he has improved his kamui to it's limits. It's almost instant now and Itachi won't be able to get passed that with clones especially when the clones die in 1 or 2 hits.
Stamina or Chakra will not matter in this situation between Obito and Itachi's crows. Time will probably be the only major factor and it will mostly seem to be in Itachi's favour. :yeah:
[You can choose to argue against this or not but, this is just speculation.]
Obito has access to Hashirama's DNA which improves his stamina beyond the normal limit, probably even makes it better than Narutos'. He will most likely be able to stand up and continue fighting after being hit by tsukuyomi.
Look at what Kakashi and Kurenai say while commenting on Itachi's use of his abilities.
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Oh and about that scan you showed about Sasuke beating Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Obito will not be able to break Tsukuyomi. Wonna know why? Look at what Itachi says.. You sorta contradicted yourself too, saying Obito can't break it and then saying he can break it.
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Another thing, look at what Kakashi and Kisame say implying that Tsukuyomi is able to kill a person.
Uhm Obito barely has any use with the rinnegan; he can't use Shrina Tensei. He can't be hit by amaterasu/tsukuyomi/Susano'o if he's intangible and if it comes down to it he can just use Izanagi.
Like I said earlier, Izanagi is ineffective since it will not harm Itachi but rather cause Obito to lose an eye. Itachi can always wait for Obito to come out of Kamui after 5mins. Although it would a waste of time, Itachi is not that fussed. =D
Can someone please post that so-called Itachi counter to Kamui/intangibility with a serious logic behind it, other than Obito's lame monologue, then we might have something here. Otherwise, this is a tiring argument that requires no major proof. Obito can simply outclass Itachi and win.
Are you disagreeing with what Obito is saying? Disagreeing with him means you are disagreeing with the manga, which'll further make you a troll. Itachi's counter to Kamui/intangibility is the crow clone technique used in the most efficient way. Also, I would like to ask you if you could please post any counter Obito has to Izanami? Yah, this would be interesting after realizing that Izanami was initially invented to be used on Uchiha(so shinobi with sharingan). :yeah:
The same could be said for Itachi getting caught in Obito's right? It is heavily implied that Obito knows Izanami. How will Itachi touch Obito? Minato needed FTG and Itachi is not smarter than Minato. Minato >= Itachi in battle intelligence. Since this is Obito with 2 MS he can just spam Kamui at Itachi. I am assuming Obito would have mastery over his new eye like Kakashi right?
Can someone please post that so-called Itachi counter to Kamui/intangibility with a serious logic behind it, other than Obito's lame monologue, then we might have something here. Otherwise, this is a tiring argument that requires no major proof. Obito can simply outclass Itachi and win.
Itachi counters Kamui in a number of ways I supposed if your strictly talking about the Intangible aspect of Kamui Genjutsu something that Itachi masters in would still take effect, I recommend Tsukyomi.
Itachi counters Kamui in a number of ways I supposed if your strictly talking about the Intangible aspect of Kamui Genjutsu something that Itachi masters in would still take effect, I recommend Tsukyomi.
That's not enough evidence for me to claim he can break it. Those are the requirements to break it but that does not ensure that anyone with these requirements could break his Tsukuyomi.
That's not enough evidence for me to claim he can break it. Those are the requirements to break it but that does not ensure that anyone with these requirements could break his Tsukuyomi.
Itachi counters Kamui in a number of ways I supposed if your strictly talking about the Intangible aspect of Kamui Genjutsu something that Itachi masters in would still take effect, I recommend Tsukyomi.
Itachi said, "only someone with the SAME blood as me can break it." Which means, blood relations or family. Sasuke is his only living family member with the same blood as him. Henceforth, he is the only one who can break it.
Can someone please post that so-called Itachi counter to Kamui/intangibility with a serious logic behind it, other than Obito's lame monologue, then we might have something here. Otherwise, this is a tiring argument that requires no major proof. Obito can simply outclass Itachi and win.
Kamui is massively overwanked, and if you think about it, it's clear Itachi has the tools to counter it. Namely, (explosive) clones and tremendously fast weapon skills and physical ability. Anyway, just to put them out there, the three weaknesses that the four people above took advantage of in various capacities are:
1. Single-target
2. Vulnerability while warping
3. Having something attack from the Kamui realm
Hence why a clone is a direct counter. However, despite that, even without clones, if Itachi used Amaterasu while being warped, then it would be a stalemate because it would hit Obito just like Hiraishin did, but hit him in the warping focal point: the eye. Obito is a one-trick-pony. Being physically skilled is a counter in itself:
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Because you can prevent him from being able to warp you. Itachi's Sharingan and lightning-fast kunai/shuriken would make this even more feasible. Besides that, Kishimoto wrote an encounter between the two in his movie, and Obito ran away. At the end of that day, Kamui is a Mangekyō jutsu, and all Mangekyō jutsu are the same level of dōjutsu.
Those counters present contextual relevance. That's it. They are not even relevant for this discussion. Perhaps you are over-rubbing yours and burning them out, as it only takes a second to figure out the situational advantage in regards to different techniques each of these characters possess, which Itachi lacks.
1: Single Target?
2: While phasing or the entire warping? As the vulnerability is only present for the latter.
3: And?
Obito's Kamui was at its basic form when he had yet to awaken MS. This is how he survived; by slipping through the boulder. Seriously, where is your counter? All of this is grasping at straws.
This cannot counter intangibility, as during this period, Obito's body is not in this realm at all, but inside his pocket dimension.
Itachi said, "only someone with the SAME blood as me can break it." Which means, blood relations or family. Sasuke is his only living family member with the same blood as him. Henceforth, he is the only one who can break it.
You're looking too deep into it. Itachi was clearly talking about Uchiha blood. They're all relatives at the end of the day. To further support my claims;
Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.
Wow, you really are becoming difficult to convince. :yeah: Just wondering whether Izanami is placed on us because we are going around in a endless loop.
And how is Itachi going to close the loop of Inzanami?
You need to understand the math behind this. What's the duration in which Obito can become intangible and then tangible again? According to you, Obito becomes intangible in a second and then tangible after a few seconds. So he becomes intangible within a 1 second and then after 5 seconds he will become tangible and then intagible again within a second. In other words, you are trying to say he can become intangible much quicker the second time than the first after being tangible. What you're implying here is clearly illogical since Obito is still a human at the end of the day and not a machine. Lol
Obito can go intangible/tangible almost instantly and I provided scans showing you that he can. He can go tangible/intangible as much as he wants but, he can only stay intangible for 5 minutes max.
How are you not getting that?
Actually, Kakashi is kinda stupid or rather not as smart as Itachi. Admit it, if he was then why did he himself get trapped into Tsukuyomi while warning everyone else during Part 1? The word 'stronger' here is vague. If your referring to physical strength then Naruto is probably stronger after seeing him break one of Pein's paths but that is still not very helpful in this fight between Obito. Itachi doesn't have much battle experience but his analysis is on a high-level than most shinobi, just like he was calm and analyzed the situation when he was against Nagato and Kabuto. This is probably Kakashi's only time and after so long while displaying such intelligence. However, Itachi's is instinctive and always was.
@Bold: He isn't stupid and that sentence proves that you're a huge Itachi fapboy. He doesn't even know the secrets behind tsukuyomi so, exactly how does that make him stupid?
No, Naruto clone outclasses Itachis'. He may be able to analyze the situation but, he still won't be hitting Obito with a clone.
Why is it that you always talk about the sharingan being able to see clones but when I tell you about this, you deny mentioning such a thing? Nevermind, you're making the point that he can see clones. Big deal, how is he going to deal with them? Especially if they keep moving and are like copies of Itachi, Obito will just get confused and run low on chakra after overuse of Kamui. The crow bunshin technique is one of Itachi's trademark techniques. It is very effective and really good since it consists of crows flying around the opponent at first, and then the crows form clones of Itachi.
I can't deal with this bullshit anymore. I never said he can see through clones I said he can see them but, will he know it's a clone at first? No he won't but, if Itachi goes to attack him from the back he will know its a clone. Run low on chakra? Haha, no. The crows form clones of Itachi only in genjutsu. A simple clone won't be enough to beat Obito.
Minato brings about speed to his advantage. However, bunshin is also effective since it brings quantity to the user's advantage and this can be used as a counter or as a technique that can last for a long time as long as it isn't desrupted.
Obito doesn't even need to bother hitting Itachi's clone or Itachi himself. Once again he can just keep going intangible and Itachi does not have an attack that last for 5 minutes. If he does then Izanagi takes care of that.
The only time a clone was able to get close/counter Obito's kamui was in the war. Itachi's crow clone or any clone for that matter won't do shit against Obito.
Maybe it won't make Obito seems like he's in genjutsu but it will most certainly confuse him. Tell me how Obito is gonna be left untouched if Itachi, uses the crows to fly fast around Obito for 5mins while trying to peck him and Obito uses Kamui. After 4mins, a group of crows keep flying through Kamui while a clone forms with the other amount of crows... ready to attack him. I don't care what you think now but Obito will most surely get hit if this happens. Don't underestimate Itachi. He can always stay calm and analyze situations and then humiliate his opponents which is why this is one of the main reasons he is in my Top 5. That dude is awwsomee..
It won't confuse him; stop making it out to seem like Obito is retarded. You think Obito is going to have trouble dealing with a bunch of crows? A simple katon takes care of them.
As an Itachi fapboy you should know that a simple clone won't do shit against Obito. You should also know that Obito is Top 3 and Itachi barely makes the actual Top 10.
@bold - Thank you for stating that. Again if we consider the 'crow clone scenario', as soon as 4mins are over and the crows are flying around and through Obito(while being intangible), Itachi's crow clones will form which means one will grab Obito as soon as he becomes tangible after 5mins are over, while another clone stands in front of Obito either casting sharingan genjutsu or Tsukuyomi on him.
Katon > Crows.
Intangible > Genjutsu.
Sharingan reads movements; he will see when a clone is coming.
Notice how Itachi has never called Obito, Obito but Madara instead of Obito. This means that quite clearly, Itachi didn't know who Obito was and didn't even know whether he existed or not. Itachi got the impression that Obito was actually Madara, the legendary shinobi whom the sources and words from people of the leaf were talking about. Madara was a shinobi feared by all. Knowing the fact that this Madara was still alive and had a new dojutsu(Kamui?) caused Itachi to be more hesitant and think more rationally before fighting the Masked man or trying to get rid of him. This is why he never attacked him otherwise he obviously would've killed him just like the manga scan I showed you says. Obito said himself that if Itachi knew the truth about him, Obito would be dead. This proof should be sufficient.
No, Itachi said Madara attacked Konoha 16 years ago with the Kyuubi. Obito was Madara at that time; he was referring to Obito. He praised Madara [Obito] and said that he needs EMS to even surpass him.
Looking back at the 'crow clone scenario', if Obito does use Izanagi during the process of the crows flying around and through him, then Itachi can simply repeat the technique and it is known that the creation of crows does not require much effort. Therefore, using Izanagi would only further worsen Obito's chances of winning.
No he wont. I don't know why you believe so. All the counters you gave won't do shit to Obito or his kamui. Crows flying through him for 5 minutes? That's not happening even if it did he can just warp himself into kamui..
Stamina or Chakra will not matter in this situation between Obito and Itachi's crows. Time will probably be the only major factor and it will mostly seem to be in Itachi's favour.
Someone who isn't an Uchiha and only has one sharingan can't be compared to Obito.
Oh and about that scan you showed about Sasuke beating Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Obito will not be able to break Tsukuyomi. Wonna know why? Look at what Itachi says.. You sorta contradicted yourself too, saying Obito can't break it and then saying he can break it.
Tsukuyomi isn't killing a Uchiha capable of using MS with Hashirama's DNA.
Like I said earlier, Izanagi is ineffective since it will not harm Itachi but rather cause Obito to lose an eye. Itachi can always wait for Obito to come out of Kamui after 5mins. Although it would a waste of time, Itachi is not that fussed.
Inzanami can't be used when one is using Inzanagi.. It was developed for people who over used Inzanagi not to actually counter it. Obito can only go intangible for a max of 5 minutes, after that 5 minutes is up he goes tangible then he can go intangible again.
Are you disagreeing with what Obito is saying? Disagreeing with him means you are disagreeing with the manga, which'll further make you a troll. Itachi's counter to Kamui/intangibility is the crow clone technique used in the most efficient way. Also, I would like to ask you if you could please post any counter Obito has to Izanami? Yah, this would be interesting after realizing that Izanami was initially invented to be used on Uchiha(so shinobi with sharingan)
Manga scans like the one you provided are considered bullshit in a customized match.
You're really that Itachi can beat a MS user with Hashirama's DNA, defensive kamui, offensive kamui, rapid healing, insanely high level katon and rapid healing? Haha.
Give a serious counter to kamui or don't reply at all. It's idiotic that you think Obito's kamui will be countered by a bunch of crows.
The same could be said for Itachi getting caught in Obito's right? It is heavily implied that Obito knows Izanami. How will Itachi touch Obito? Minato needed FTG and Itachi is not smarter than Minato. Minato >= Itachi in battle intelligence. Since this is Obito with 2 MS he can just spam Kamui at Itachi. I am assuming Obito would have mastery over his new eye like Kakashi right?
Obito doesn't have Izanami, knowing about it is different from having it. Like I already mentioned the 'crow clone scenario'. If Itachi uses his crow clones wisely, he can counter Kamui. What's more is that this technique of Itachi's takes up less chakra, again working to his advantage. Read my previous posts on Page 3.
Itachi says, "Only a sharingan user with the same blood as me can defeat me.." - implying a family member and clearly referring to Sasuke. Later his word was proved as Sasuke was shown breaking Tsukuyomi. This was the first time ever, Tsukuyomi was broken.
Obito can go intangible/tangible almost instantly and I provided scans showing you that he can. He can go tangible/intangible as much as he wants but, he can only stay intangible for 5 minutes max.
The scans weren't very helpful as Obito's duration of when he activates/deactivates Kamui cannot be shown. But like I already told you about the 'crow clone scenario' which will be a problem for Obito.
@Bold: He isn't stupid and that sentence proves that you're a huge Itachi fapboy. He doesn't even know the secrets behind tsukuyomi so, exactly how does that make him stupid?
No, Naruto clone outclasses Itachis'. He may be able to analyze the situation but, he still won't be hitting Obito with a clone.
You know what I meant, he isn't stupid but he's not as clever as Itachi. I'm an Itachi fapboy, lmao. By the looks of our conversation, you seem to be a gigantic Obito fapboy. Lol
I can't deal with this bullshit anymore. I never said he can see through clones I said he can see them but, will he know it's a clone at first? No he won't but, if Itachi goes to attack him from the back he will know its a clone. Run low on chakra? Haha, no. The crows form clones of Itachi only in genjutsu. A simple clone won't be enough to beat Obito.
Lmao, i'm feeling the same. I asked you a question, how he will deal with clones? It would be really difficult. Btw, he hasn't got Byakugon lol so he won't be able to see from the back. It would a freaky sight with hundreds of crows flying
around Obito and they try to attack him by going through him to peck him but he uses Kamui. While he's concetrating, a clone will just appear in his blind spot and grab him from behind as soon as 5mins are over(since he will become tangible then). Then another will appear infront of him and trap him in Tsukuyomi.
@bold - give me a manga scan where it states this? There's a reason why it's called a CROW CLONE jutsu. U_U
Obito doesn't even need to bother hitting Itachi's clone or Itachi himself. Once again he can just keep going intangible and Itachi does not have an attack that last for 5 minutes. If he does then Izanagi takes care of that.
The only time a clone was able to get close/counter Obito's kamui was in the war. Itachi's crow clone or any clone for that matter won't do shit against Obito.
What's Izanagi gonna do? Just cause Obito to lose an eye, well which he probably wouldn't need after reading this thread. But then what? The fight will just go on as normal.
Clone will be important in this fight, since it would be 1v1 and it's Itachi who's intelligence is one of the highest. His strategies are although similar but still different compared to other ninja. He is tactical.
It won't confuse him; stop making it out to seem like Obito is retarded. You think Obito is going to have trouble dealing with a bunch of crows? A simple katon takes care of them.
As an Itachi fapboy you should know that a simple clone won't do shit against Obito. You should also know that Obito is Top 3 and Itachi barely makes the actual Top 10.
Water takes care of any Fire techniques Obito may have. Just to remind you, the water also surrounds the location where the fight is. Obito is not Madara, his fire techniques are not that large and impressive as Madara's. Besides, who says Itachi can only summon the crows once. If Fire gets rid of them, Itachi will just summon more.
One clone will be useless against Obito and that's why I said many crows will be present and will eventually form a number of Itachi clones. Obito is not Top 3, that is just your opinion as the Obito fapboy you seem to be.
No, Itachi said Madara attacked Konoha 16 years ago with the Kyuubi. Obito was Madara at that time; he was referring to Obito. He praised Madara [Obito] and said that he needs EMS to even surpass him.
Itachi thought Madara and Obito were the same person. In other words, he got the impression that Madara was really powerful as to be alive even now. Obito also used the same style as Madara by attacking Konoha which is why Itachi thought it was Madara. Because he saw Obito who called himself Madara, alive even after all these years, he considered Madara to be "..
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.." after supposedly being alive after all these years.
Like I already said, "Itachi can simply repeat the technique and it is known that the creation of crows does not require much effort." But what if as Obito's using katon, he becomes tangible and then the crows behind Obito turn into a clone and rips his neck off with a kunai? O_O This could always happen :yeah:
No he wont. I don't know why you believe so. All the counters you gave won't do shit to Obito or his kamui. Crows flying through him for 5 minutes? That's not happening even if it did he can just warp himself into kamui..
Obito is not allowed to enter the Kamui dimension in this fight, as doing so would indicate he is escaping from the fight which would mean Itachi has won. U_U
Maybe not the only counter, but it is the only effective counter I can think of for Itachi. Nevertheless there are probably more that Itachi might know of.
This scan clearly shows that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is ineffective against Sasuke and if we look back at that previous scan, it proves this one to be of the truth. Itachi implied that only those with the same blood as him can beat Tsukuyomi referring to Sasuke. From this scan we can see it, and even Zetsu says "He didn't get hit..He overcame it."
Inzanami can't be used when one is using Inzanagi.. It was developed for people who over used Inzanagi not to actually counter it. Obito can only go intangible for a max of 5 minutes, after that 5 minutes is up he goes tangible then he can go intangible again.
@bold - when did I say Izanami can be used while Izanagi is being used? I merely said, it's pointless to use Izanagi in the fight. Even if Obito uses it, the fight would continue normally. As soon as Obito becomes tangible, he can hit Obito. Itachi can measure the duration of how long it takes for Obito to become tangible again.
Manga scans like the one you provided are considered bullshit in a customized match.
You're really that Itachi can beat a MS user with Hashirama's DNA, defensive kamui, offensive kamui, rapid healing, insanely high level katon and rapid healing? Haha.
Give a serious counter to kamui or don't reply at all. It's idiotic that you think Obito's kamui will be countered by a bunch of crows.
Lmao, I can say the same for you.. smh If Obito uses Izanagi, then it's only defensive kamui and like the previous posts suggest, the offensive kamui is not that useful. I only added it so that he can actually be considered MS Obito otherwise people would get confused and think he has Rinnegan. U_U
I only gave Obito more skill in Mokuton NOT more Senju DNA. There is a difference and this suggests that he will lose alot of chakra if he uses the high-class Mokuton techniques like Mokujin and Hotei no jutsu. Also Senju DNA does not anywhere near improve the amount of skill a ninja has. Skill comes from the knowledge and experience gained. Madara is the only one with the highest level Katon techniques and this is obviously due to the amount of experience he has.
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Anyway, I do have to say we should end this discussion. All in all, it could go either way... but it has been good arguing about this like idiots lol You had some good points. =D Thanks for your time, later. *_*
