[VS] MS Obito and Killer Bee vs SM Jiraiya and Edo Itachi

[LustyLover]

Location: Forest of Death

Intel: full intel on Kamui

Conditions: Jiraiya starts in SM, Kurama/GM is restricted

Scenario 2: Obito has the rinnegan, Bee has Samehada

S3: no restrictions​

 

[DrProof]

Edo Itachi can literally solo here, one of the most broken characters in the manga, coupled with intel on Kamui as well? Sheesh, overkill.

B, either is Tsukuyomi'd from the start, set ablaze by Amaterasu, or sealed via Totsuka Blade.

Then it simply comes down to Itachi vs Obito. Yata Mirror canonically despite the naysayers would protect Itachi from Kamui. Even if Yata Mirror isn't exploited, which is faster Ephemeral (which he can cast through not just his finger as Apex, and I believe Varrah have established) or Kamui?

Clearly Ephemeral would be faster as Itachi could emit the Genjutsu from his stomach, which is exactly where the chakra network is fed chakra from; whereas Kamui needs to be channeled all the way to the user's eye.

Therefore, Ephemeral > Kamui in execution speed, if executed closer to the individuals chakra storage. Once Obito is placed under Genjutsu (which he would break out of seconds later most probably) it'd be too late as Totsuka Blade finishes the job.

Jiraiya sits back, and chills.

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[ARGUS]

Obito and killer bee win

 

[Hoshigaki Sama]

There is no hope for Team 2 in Scenario 2. Samehada is too much for any Uchiha to fight against.

 

[Booker]

SM Sensing Barrier negates Kamui surprise attacks.

Amaterasu one/two shots Bee. Tsukuyomi also one shots.

Then it's just MS Obito versus the two of them, and since they have intel, they obliterate him.

Not using Kurama because obviously once summoned he trashes team 2.

 

[Unorthodox]

Team Obito and a borderline stomp

 

[TheLostShinobi]

Team 1 wins scenario 1 mid diff and Obito solo's in scenario 2 with ease

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Location: Forest of Death

Intel: full intel on Kamui

Conditions: Jiraiya starts in SM

Scenario 2: Obito has the rinnegan, Bee has Samehada​

does sm automatically mean he has ma and pa?

 

[Oblivionx]

Team 1 wins in both scenarios whether team two has intel or not doesn't change anything as they still can't touch obito. Plus he has the firepower of a perfect jin. That's too much to handle for jiraya and itachi.

 

[LustyLover]

does sm automatically mean he has ma and pa?

He does.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He does.

can obito break sound genjustu with his eyes?

i doubt it

 

[TRE MERCER]

SM Sensing Barrier negates Kamui surprise attacks.

Amaterasu one/two shots Bee. Tsukuyomi also one shots.

Then it's just MS Obito versus the two of them, and since they have intel, they obliterate him.

Not using Kurama because obviously once summoned he trashes team 2.

SM sensing means he can stop Kamui lmao no. SM sensing couldn't even react to Pain body ripping off Jiraiya arm[

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KM Naruto who is faster than SM Jiraiya and can also sense would have been warped by Obito plenty of times if it wasn't for help.

Team 2 wins low difficulty.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

SM sensing means he can stop Kamui lmao no. SM sensing couldn't even react to Pain body ripping off Jiraiya arm[

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KM Naruto who is faster than SM Jiraiya and can also sense would have been warped by Obito plenty of times if it wasn't for help.

Team 2 wins low difficulty.

is talking about the sensing barrier, not Sage mode passive danger sensing which tbh i don't think JMan has since he's imperfect with it.

 

[The Messiah]

I can't believe people really think Itach and Jiraiya win this. Jiraiya isn't even a factor.

 

[DrProof]

I can't believe people really think Itach and Jiraiya win this. Jiraiya isn't even a factor.

Neither is Bee. Tsukuyomi oneshots from the getgo. Then it's just Itachi vs Obito.

When it comes to those two the only arguments present is which technique is faster, which in this case Ephemeral is, because Itachi can use it from any body part he wishes.

 

[Booker]

SM sensing means he can stop Kamui lmao no. SM sensing couldn't even react to Pain body ripping off Jiraiya arm[

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KM Naruto who is faster than SM Jiraiya and can also sense would have been warped by Obito plenty of times if it wasn't for help.

Team 2 wins low difficulty.

Sensing Barrier. Jiraiya's tech that gives him perfect 360 awareness.

Yes, with surprise attacks. KM Naruto could easily blitz out of a warp from Obito that he knows is coming.

Bee is actually the non factor here, Amaterasu and Totsuka combo trash him.

Then with J-Man's barrier and Itachi's techs, they kill Obito. Itachi could even bait Obito into a warp with an Explosive Clone, which then murders Obito once he makes contact.

 

[DrProof]

Sensing Barrier. Jiraiya's tech that gives him perfect 360 awareness.

Yes, with surprise attacks. KM Naruto could easily blitz out of a warp from Obito that he knows is coming.

Bee is actually the non factor here, Amaterasu and Totsuka combo trash him.

Then with J-Man's barrier and Itachi's techs, they kill Obito. Itachi could even bait Obito into a warp with an Explosive Clone, which then murders Obito once he makes contact.

Why is Jiraiya even needed here? I'm not discrediting the OG, but it's Edo Itachi here.

Itachi, the same guy who was said can put multiple people under Genjutsu at the same time (in the war arc ), and could do so while bypassing sensory ninja.

It's initially a 2v1 because of B's irrelevance due to being oneshot.

Question though. Which do you think is faster, Kamui a technique that has to have chakra channeled to the eye, or Ephemeral, a Genjutsu capable of being used from any position on the user's body?

The closer to the chakra storage in one's body, the faster the application correct?

 

[Booker]

Why is Jiraiya even needed here? I'm not discrediting the OG, but it's Edo Itachi here.

Itachi, the same guy who was said can put multiple people under Genjutsu at the same time (in the war arc ), and could do so while bypassing sensory ninja.

It's initially a 2v1 because of B's irrelevance due to being oneshot.

Question though. Which do you think is faster, Kamui a technique that has to have chakra channeled to the eye, or Ephemeral, a Genjutsu capable of being used from any position on the user's body?

The closer to the chakra storage in one's body, the faster the application correct?

I'm mainly just arguing for Jiraiya's sensing barrier, because it would be especially useful against Kamui surprise attacks. Aside from that he's just there to back up Itachi, who has the firepower.

Probably Kamui, honestly, in terms of actual application. But that's only applicable if he can travel to his target, catch his target off guard, and literally touch them.

Finger Genjutsu can be done mid-distance on sight, pretty much as soon as Itachi wants. Although I think it's a pretty low-tier Genjutsu and wouldn't work on obito.

 

[DrProof]

I'm mainly just arguing for Jiraiya's sensing barrier, because it would be especially useful against Kamui surprise attacks. Aside from that he's just there to back up Itachi, who has the firepower.

Probably Kamui, honestly, in terms of actual application. But that's only applicable if he can travel to his target, catch his target off guard, and literally touch them.

Finger Genjutsu can be done mid-distance on sight, pretty much as soon as Itachi wants. Although I think it's a pretty low-tier Genjutsu and wouldn't work on obito.

Why would Kamui be faster in execution when the chakra must be built/channeled into the eye though? Remember the chakra has to be funneled from the stomach.

Versus Ephemeral which can be casted from anywhere on the user's body.

Ephemeral would work, based on the fact no one is truly immune the Genjutsu, but I agree that Obito would break it quickly, but a second is all that's needed for Itachi to end the fight.

 

[Booker]

Why would Kamui be faster in execution when the chakra must be built/channeled into the eye though? Remember the chakra has to be funneled from the stomach.

Versus Ephemeral which can be casted from anywhere on the user's body.

Ephemeral would work, based on the fact no one is truly immune the Genjutsu, but I agree that Obito would break it quickly, but a second is all that's needed for Itachi to end the fight.

We already have evidence that it is. On contact, Obito's Kamui nearly outspeeds FTG (and Obito hinted it may even be able to beat it).

I don't like Finger Gen in general. For something that OP, it HAS to be somewhat weak. Otherwise Itachi is the most powerful character in the entire story.