[VS] MS Kakashi vs Obito

[EZQ]

Why did they warp Naruto? Adressed

Why did they make Obito phase close to where Naruto's clone was warped? Irrelevant. There are a lot of possible reasons, like they wanting to make sure Naruto doesn't fail, it being a part of tricking Obito or what i already said, Naruto not having the means to predict where Obito will spawn, was decisive even in the fight was in short distances, because Obito warping behind Naruto for example, and the phasing time only lasts as the TBB goes trough Obito (short time) Naruto's reaction wouldn't be immediate

 

[KidGamer65]

welp.. that makes it for me, lmao.

I'm literally arguing, that Kakashi's clone doesn't need the "extra step" because he knows where Obito will spawn, while Naruto's clone does need it. Thats MY argument, and you are not countering it, you're saying it's irrelevant.

And I've already stated 3 times now why Naruto doesn't need to know where Obito will spawn, but of course you are too busy fanboying to realize that you are arguing in circles.

I'm literally arguing, that Kakashi's clone doesn't need the "extra step" because he knows where Obito will spawn, while Naruto's clone does need it. Thats MY argument, and you are not countering it, you're saying it's irrelevant.

That was addressed by this:

1. Knowing where Obito is going to phase is IRRELEVANT. He can attack Obito AFTER he's phased.

2. Staying close? I'll repeat this one more time. The entire battle between Naruto and Obito and Kakashi was close range. If Naruto is in the other dimension, he sees Obito appear and then hits Obito at that moment.

Yet you are here crying about how it was never addressed. :lol Try pulling your head out of your ass this time around. The fact that Kakashi can do what you said he can do doesn't matter. Knowing where Obito is going to phase before he does it isn't necessary as Naruto can attack after he senses him. Staying close doesn't matter because Naruto and Obito's battle was always at close range.

You say "it needs the extra step" even though it doesn't, and that's why you make zero sense and always will when it comes to this topic. It's been established that Naruto's clone doesn't need any of the perks Kakashi's has to make your plan work, yet they still needed the extra step. :lol

Anyone reading this knows how hilariously stupid you look right now. Instead of countering the argument, you repeat what you've been saying the last 5 posts and then start countering irrelevant shit like "Why did they warp Naruto instead of a Kakashi clone?" even though that's not a question anyone was debating in the first place. Then you come here and say that your arguments aren't being addressed. Pathetic behavior. Even you yourself know that you don't make a shred of sense and that's why you've resorted to arguing in circles instead of actually arguing like you have some common sense.

 

[EZQ]

And I've already stated 3 times now why Naruto doesn't need to know where Obito will spawn, but of course you are too busy fanboying to realize that you are arguing in circles.



That was addressed by this:




Yet you are here crying about how it was never addressed. :lol Try pulling your head out of your ass this time around. The fact that Kakashi can do what you said he can do doesn't matter. Knowing where Obito is going to phase before he does it isn't necessary as Naruto can attack after he senses him. Staying close doesn't matter because Naruto and Obito's battle was always at close range.

You say "it needs the extra step" even though it doesn't, and that's why you make zero sense and always will when it comes to this topic. It's been established that Naruto's clone doesn't need any of the perks Kakashi's has to make your plan work, yet they still needed the extra step. :lol

Anyone reading this knows how hilariously stupid you look right now. Instead of countering the argument, you repeat what you've been saying the last 5 posts and then start countering irrelevant shit like "Why did they warp Naruto instead of a Kakashi clone?" even though that's not a question anyone was debating in the first place. Then you come here and say that your arguments aren't being addressed. Pathetic behavior. Even you yourself know that you don't make a shred of sense and that's why you've resorted to arguing in circles instead of actually arguing like you have some common sense.

1- Read my other post where i said that it is relevant on why Kakashi knows

2- Even if you forget about this whole argumentation, you still can't explain what would happen if Kakashi warps a clone, like literally the only thing you'll say is "they went to trough all of the other bla bla"

And you saying "they needed an extra step because they did and final point" still doesn't explain shit, while my point of view does.

And still, like 2 post ago i asked if you actually had another explanation, you should have just said NO, end of story.

And your adression (idk if spelled like that) of Naruto needing to be close to Obito's warping spot is not accurrate, since if Obito is phased RELATIVELY FAR (relative in terms of a close range fight) even 10 m behind Naruto, Naruto's reaction wouldn't be immediate, and Naruto only has as time as the TBB takes to go trough Obito's body.

I read your counter. "warping" is my mistake, i meant PHASES, if Obito phases Behind... that's why they made him phase close to Naruto

And yeah lol, you're using "the TBB was fired from close range so someone as fast as v2 Ay would have no problem on blah blah" Of course KG, no shit sherlock, that's why they made the entire plan. I'm talking about if the plan was NOT used, Naruto wouldn't have been at that same distace.



If they warped Naruto at point A AND OBITO SEES it, then Obito goes far away and is forced to phase far away from spot A AND THEN the tactic wouldn't work even with Naruto's speed

 

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[EZQ]

So, in a summary:

-Naruto is warped where Obito is gonna phase so he can attack on that spot on the pocket dimension

-The fight being close range UNTIL THAT POINT is irrelevant since if Obito saw Naruto getting warped, he'd just avoid contact, then take distance and if he's forced to warp far away from that point then the tactic doesn't work

That's why they used a TBB on the spot Naruto was warped

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Read my other post where i said that it is relevant on why Kakashi knows

2- Even if you forget about this whole argumentation, you still can't explain what would happen if Kakashi warps a clone, like literally the only thing you'll say is "they went to trough all of the other bla bla"

And you saying "they needed an extra step because they did and final point" still doesn't explain shit, while my point of view does.

And still, like 2 post ago i asked if you actually had another explanation, you should have just said NO, end of story.

And your adression (idk if spelled like that) of Naruto needing to be close to Obito's warping spot is not accurrate, since if Obito is phased RELATIVELY FAR (relative in terms of a close range fight) even 10 m behind Naruto, Naruto's reaction wouldn't be immediate, and Naruto only has as time as the TBB takes to go trough Obito's body.

1. It's not relevant. I addressed this.

2. Because that's an important thing to note no matter how much you dont like it. :lol No reason for them to do what you say they can do PLUS MORE if the method with lesser effort is all that was required in the first place. Makes no sense and no unbiased person would be arguing that it's irrelevant.

Your point of view having an explanation doesn't mean a damn thing. What kind of stupid logic is that? So because you have a fabricated explanation you are automatically correct? :lol. Let's be serious here.


None of that matters because that's not how the situation was in the Manga. Obito wasn't behind Naruto, and Naruto wasn't far from Obito. Naruto has crossed over 50m in a split second on panel and made a shadow clone while doing it. Even if it were 10m you don't have a point. :lol :lol So just stop already.

And yeah lol, you're using "the TBB was fired from close range so someone as fast as v2 Ay would have no problem on blah blah" Of course KG, no shit sherlock, that's why they made the entire plan. I'm talking about if the plan was NOT used, Naruto wouldn't have been at that same distace.

That's trash logic and it's just you not reading the Manga as usual so let's walk through this together.

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THAT is the farthest away Obito and Naruto were and that's before they set their plan in motion. Naruto has crossed significantly larger differences in a second.

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Obito himself created that distance between them shown in this panel when he jumped to attack. If your dumb plan was plausible then instead of Naruto having to do what he did, Kakashi would've warped him there and then Naruto would've used BD while Obito was in mid air unable to evade.

If they warped Naruto at point A AND OBITO SEES it, then Obito goes far away and is forced to phase far away from spot A AND THEN the tactic wouldn't work even with Naruto's speed

:lol Obito was in mid air when this happened. So how is he going to go far away? :lol Stop reaching already.

 

[KidGamer65]

So, in a summary:

-Naruto is warped where Obito is gonna phase so he can attack on that spot on the pocket dimension

-The fight being close range UNTIL THAT POINT is irrelevant since if Obito saw Naruto getting warped, he'd just avoid contact, then take distance and if he's forced to warp far away from that point then the tactic doesn't work

That's why they used a TBB on the spot Naruto was warped

-Because it's necessary.

-Nope. In that scenario he has no way to avoid contact unless he can float and run in mid air or some nonsense like that. If he solidifies and tries to warp himself away then he gets countered.

Your argument doesn't even begin to make sense at this point. You are arguing that Obito being able to prevent this if he knows that Naruto's clone is being warped to the other dimension is why they had Naruto get close before warping him even though Naruto getting close is irrelevant. The only reason Obito didn't see is because instead of fleeing his natural response to that attack was to counter.

In summary, Naruto and Kakashi were aiming for a strategy where they need to get the timing right and warp Naruto when he was close to Obito because that is what is necessary. It has nothing to do with Obito seeing the warp or not because:

-Last 2 times Kakashi tested this theory Obito saw the warp.
-The final time this happened they had no idea Obito was going to mask the warp of the Clone with his own attack.

So unless you are going to argue next about how they knew Obito was going to attack in a way that'd mask Naruto's warping, you don't have a point. So you can stop with the BS now.

 

[EZQ]

Aaand still, i tell you THEY MADE THAT TACTIC (Obito being mid air, the tbb, and everything) and you keep using details from that same tactic to disprove my argument on why they did it.

Anyways, too many posts. I just dont agree. Lets move on. Nice db8

 

[KidGamer65]

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:lol Never again.

 

[EZQ]

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:lol Never again.

I hope so

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't matter Obito wins end of discussion.