MS Kakashi vs. MS Itachi

[LustyLover]

Keep up the good fight, HolyEyes.​

Thanks Dimitri

 

[Black Wolf]

You sow me the Kyuubi shroud on him and then leaving. However, you do not show me him using Kamui with the Kyuubi cloak not present.

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[LustyLover]

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And it didn't work. That scan also does not demonstrate an enough amount of speed to catch a fully-informed Itachi off guard.

 

[Strict]

Kakashi can use Kamui. Itachi can fire Amaterasu. If Kakashi comes close to Itachi (he himself stated that his bad sight only allows him to use Kamui in a shorter range) he gets caught in Tsukuyomi. And btw, Itachi has crows, which would be a perfect sight blocker for Kakashi's Kamui.

 

[Black Wolf]

And it didn't work. That scan also does not demonstrate an amount of speed enough to catch a fully-informed Itachi off guard.

Gedo Mazo's arm was torn off the next page. That isn't Kamui "not working." That is Kamui tearing off a building sized arm undergoing summoning teleportation before said teleportation was complete.

 

[Strict]

Gedo Mazo's arm was torn off the next page. That isn't Kamui "not working." That is Kamui tearing off a building sized arm undergoing summoning teleportation before said teleportation was complete.

Again. Kakashi has Kamui, Itachi Amaterasu, plus Tsukuyomi. Plus Crows as a perfect sight blocker. Plus superior speed.

 

[LustyLover]

Gedo Mazo's arm was torn off the next page. That isn't Kamui "not working." That is Kamui tearing off a building sized arm undergoing summoning teleportation before said teleportation was complete.

Kakashi went for his head and failed in his endeavor. That is Kamui not working.

He tore of his arm, so what? How is it working against someone who has a perfect move-set as well as the ability to see the chakra build-up in his eye, predict what's going to happen with a Sharingan, and full intel on the ability?

 

[LustyLover]

Again. Kakashi has Kamui, Itachi Amaterasu, plus Tsukuyomi. Plus Crows as a perfect sight blocker. Plus superior speed.

^Pretty much. Crows constantly blocking his vision isn't going to allow him to use Kamui. If he does, he'll end up using it on one of the crows, only to suffer from the negative physical effects of the jutsu and allow Itachi to slit his neck with a kunai or katana.

 

[Black Wolf]

Again. Kakashi has Kamui, Itachi Amaterasu, plus Tsukuyomi. Plus Crows as a perfect sight blocker. Plus superior speed.

What exactly does counting their Mangekyo jutsu prove? Quantity =/= quality.

Not to mention that Kakashi's Kamui has multiple applications; it being one jutsu doesn't mean it can be used in one way. It can be used as an offensive projectile to warp at long range, it can be used like Hiraishin to teleport the user around, and it can be used defensively to warp incoming projectiles.

Kakashi can block line of sight via smoke bombs, Doton walls, Suiton walls . . .

 

[Bronze]

It's clear that Itachi is the superior combatant. He is even more intelligent and skilled, both feat wise and according to the databook.

Itachi acknowledged that he fell for Kakashi's intellectual traps and admitted he had good insight. Kakashi analyzed the full mechanics of Kamui, Deva path's gravitational power and it's weakness, and Tsukuyomi's drawbacks. His feats along with Itachi's praising puts him above. What are you talking about? Kakashi has 5 in intelligence according to the databook.​

There is no progress of Kakashi. His skills were inferior to Itachi in pt. 2 according to databook and feats, but people thing that Kakashi made a bigger progress from pt. 2 to the war than from pt.1 to pt.2, what would be 2-3 years of training. His only progress was Kamui during pt.2.

No, it wasn't. He defeated Obito in CQC, something Naruto along with Gai failed to do. His Chakra levels and stamina have grown much higher. He went to even fully analysing to the depth of Kamui. It's you Itachi fans fail to acknowledge it.​

People are confused, they take the short fight of Kakashi and his team against a clone of Itachi with 30% of his strength, who merely tried to hold them back from the Akatsuki hideout, as a measurement for Itachi's full power and think that Kakashi is superior to Itachi's skills as he managed to make one Bunshin feint to counter Genjutsu. As if Itachi couldn't use feints, Kagebunshin, doesn't possess insane speed and strong Genjutsu, which he can cast on various ways. If people actually debate whether Kakashi is more skilled, they skipped through Itachi's moments.

It's called TEAMWORK, not one man's job. Itachi was only 30% in Chakra. It didn't effect areas, such as: Taijutsu, Genjutsu (skills), speed, physical strength and intelligence. Kakashi could have taken out Itachi on his own, but teamwork as he said will always be the better solution.​

And yeah, Kakashi has one Mangekyo technique which is Kamui, Itachi has 3; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo.

Kamui is superior to all of them. Databook made it clear it's invincible attack. [

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]. Both in feats and hype.​

Stop debating with this Dimitri, he only talks BS.

My BS comes from logical points, deductive argument, analysing feats and hype. You're merely throwing harsh insults to grasp straws.​

 

[LustyLover]

What exactly does counting their Mangekyo jutsu prove? Quantity =/= quality.

Not to mention that Kakashi's Kamui has multiple applications; it being one jutsu doesn't mean it can be used in one way. It can be used as an offensive projectile to warp at long range, it can be used like Hiraishin to teleport the user around, and it can be used defensively to warp incoming projectiles.

Kakashi can block line of sight via smoke bombs, Doton walls, Suiton walls . . .

In which case Itachi can still see through it and sense the chakra build-up in his eye and appropriately counter it.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi went for his head and failed in his endeavor. That is Kamui not working.

Which failed due to the summon teleporting out of the way. Itachi can't teleport, and he isn't anywhere near as large as Gedo Mazo's arm. We know that the size of the object being warped correlates with the difficulty of warping it. Itachi being a small target in comparison to the statue in addition to lacking the ability to teleport means he will get tagged.

 

[Black Wolf]

In which case Itachi can still see through it and sense the chakra build-up in his eye and appropriately counter it.

So Itachi has the Byakugan now, and has sensing abilities too?

 

[LustyLover]

Which failed due to the summon teleporting out of the way. Itachi can't teleport, and he isn't anywhere near as large as Gedo Mazo's arm. We know that the size of the object being warped correlates with the difficulty of warping it. Itachi being a small target in comparison to the statue in addition to lacking the ability to teleport means he will get tagged.

No he won't, because Itachi has intel on precisely how it works and will immediately start out by distracting his line of vision with crow summonings as well as feinting with bunshins to have him misfire and then take advantage of his distractions to land a lethal hit.

 

[LustyLover]

So Itachi has the Byakugan now, and has sensing abilities too?

The Sharingan has the ability to see the chakra build-up in an eye and also see chakra. Stop it you silly child.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi has full knowledge too. Summoning crows and creating Bunshins isn't faster than a Mangekyo technique that can interupt a massive S/T jutsu.

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Itachi but kakashi murks just as much

 

[Braiyan]

No he won't, because Itachi has intel on precisely how it works and will immediately start out by distracting his line of vision with crow summonings as well as feinting with bunshins to have him misfire and then take advantage of his distractions to land a lethal hit.

Which are all slower than Kamui.

 

[Strict]

What exactly does counting their Mangekyo jutsu prove? Quantity =/= quality.

Not to mention that Kakashi's Kamui has multiple applications; it being one jutsu doesn't mean it can be used in one way. It can be used as an offensive projectile to warp at long range, it can be used like Hiraishin to teleport the user around, and it can be used defensively to warp incoming projectiles.

Kakashi can block line of sight via smoke bombs, Doton walls, Suiton walls . . .

So Itachi's MS techniques aren't quality? Kakashi stated that his bad eye sight only allows him to warp objects closer to him (as long as not huge targets). Kakashi can warp objects, Itachi can fire Amaterasu at them. Seems like an equivalent, doesn't it? And what projectiles will Kakashi warp away exactly? Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi? And what does teleporting around bring? It's not a jumping like Hiraishin; in the end he will just waste his Chakra. How often can a non Uchiha use Kamui without his Chakra restored multiple times?

And things like walls and smoke bombs take way too long for a technique that is used instantly. Difference is, that Itachi summons the crows instantly and without hand seals, even summoned as a part of his crow Bunshin from a feint before, while Kakashi needs to form the necessary hand seals and use the Jutsu, or take out smoke bombs which he throws. All that accomplished in the instant Itachi aims at him to fire Amaterasu? I expected more from you.

 

[LustyLover]

Kakashi has full knowledge too. Summoning crows and creating Bunshins isn't faster than a Mangekyo technique that can interupt a massive S/T jutsu.

Kakashi had knowledge of Tsukuyomi and still got one-shotted by it. Your point?

Kakashi is also IC, meaning he won't start out with Kamui and use it at the very end. Itachi always ends fights quickly while in IC, which was seen as him soloing Deidara and Orochimaru instantly. Even Kisame stated that the second someone looks in Itachi-san's eyes they're in his Genjutsu. How is Kakashi fighting a fully-informed Itachi while only looking at his feet?

Both of them being IC proves to Itachi's advantage.