MS Kakashi vs. MS Itachi

[Kamui Sama]

location: war plains
starting distance: 15m
intel:full
mindset: in character
restrictions: KA (some people seem to think Itachi can use it in battle)

What is your opinion on this matchup. I think both characters are on a very similar level (when Kakashi still has his sharingan ). Kakashi has much improved stamina in the war-arc and has shown to be able to use his MS much more throughout the war arc on his own

And then there is Itachi, we all know how skilled he has always been.

I think it would be a very close fight but I'm leaning to MS kakashi high-very high diff because of Kakashi's Kamui feats and lethality. Whats your opinion on this match up?

bonus scenario: bloodlusted

 

[Dark Riku]

Itachi takes this.

 

[Tobiramas]

Kakashi wins

 

[LustyLover]

Itachi low difficulty.

 

[Bronze]

At this point with Kakashi's improvements, he wins this mid-high difficulty. He has knowledge on Itachi's Dojutsu abilities, especially a functioning Tsukuyomi. [

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] By developing a way to fight Itachi without getting caught in his Tsukuyomi. Furthermore, he starts off with Kage Bunshin which are a counter to Genjutsu. Not to mention, Kakashi countered Obito's Genjutsu that shown to comparable in raw power to that of Itachi. Amatersu's Chakra build pressure can be detected with Sharingan's insight; Kakashi will see the concentrated Chakra in Itachi's eye and counter it via Doton: Wall. [

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] Susanoo is Itachi's trump card, but seeing as how it puts strain on his body, it won't last for long. Kamui will wrap it away. [

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Other than the Mangekyou Sharingan techniques, Taijutsu is on Kakashi's favour, as the latter is capable of opening the gates. [

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] His variety of elements will counter Itachi's Katon. He is more intellectual and has greater experience. Kakashi has this.​

 

[Kamui Sama]

Itachi low difficulty.

low-diff? C'mon Lol

 

[LustyLover]

low-diff? C'mon Lol

What does Kakashi have besides Kamui (which is easily countered seeing as how Itachi has full intel) that can deal a lethal blow to Itachi?

 

[Kamui Sama]

What does Kakashi have besides Kamui (which is easily countered seeing as how Itachi has full intel) that can deal a lethal blow to Itachi?

Countered with what? Clones? Same thing can be said with any of Itachi's MS techs

 

[RustledJimmies]

Itachi has no counter to Kamui.

 

[LuckyMan]

Kamui ends Itachi low difficulty. Kakashi has surpassed Itachi at this point in the manga.

 

[LustyLover]

At this point with Kakashi's improvements, he wins this mid-high difficulty. He has knowledge on Itachi's Dojutsu abilities, especially a functioning Tsukuyomi. [

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] By developing a way to fight Itachi without getting caught in his Tsukuyomi. Furthermore, he starts off with Kage Bunshin which are a counter to Genjutsu. Not to mention, Kakashi countered Obito's Genjutsu that shown to comparable in raw power to that of Itachi. Amatersu's Chakra build pressure can be detected with Sharingan's insight; Kakashi will see the concentrated Chakra in Itachi's eye and counter it via Doton: Wall. [

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] Susanoo is Itachi's trump card, but seeing as how it puts strain on his body, it won't last for long. Kamui will wrap it away. [

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].

Other than the Mangekyou Sharingan techniques, Taijutsu is on Kakashi's favour, as the latter is capable of opening the gates. [

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] His variety of elements will counter Itachi's Katon. He is more intellect and has greater experience. Kakashi has this.​

Just because Kakashi can sense a build-up of chakra in Itachi's eye doesn't mean he can predict whether it's going to be him activating Susano'o, Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi, which still grants Itachi the element of surprise, meaning Kakashi will not be able to react with Doton.

A ribcage, which is more than enough to block all of Kakashi's attacks (excluding Kamui) is enough to tank his lightning bunshins, which is pretty much his only competent offense here (which is also useless, seeing as it takes over half his chakra). Using Kamui has proven to be more laborous than Itachi using Susano'o, so when he does use it to teleport away, Itachi no longer has a large cloak of chakra around him, meaning he can easily blitz Kakashi like this and cast an irresistible Tsukuyomi.

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Taijutsu isn't on Kakashi's favor if Itachi can blitz an advanced sensor type,

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and fight in a Taijutsu battle with the likes of KCM Naruto

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as well as react to Bee without even looking at him

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[LustyLover]

Kamui ends Itachi low difficulty. Kakashi has surpassed Itachi at this point in the manga.

He has to look at him to cast Kamui (something Itachi already has full intel on according to the thread maker). If he does that, Tsukuyomi one-shots.

 

[Kamui Sama]

He has to look at him to cast Kamui (something Itachi already has full intel on according to the thread maker). If he does that, Tsukuyomi one-shots.

the difference is Kamui doesn't require direct eye contact, where tsukuyomi does. Also Kamui can be used at long ranges, tsukuyomi needs the opponent to look right into their eyes. At a distance that is difficult

 

[LustyLover]

the difference is Kamui doesn't require direct eye contact, where tsukuyomi does. Also Kamui can be used at long ranges, tsukuyomi needs the opponent to look right into their eyes. At a distance that is difficult

Ama > distance, and since Kakashi almost always go for head-shots, yes, he's going to be looking at his eyes. Not that it matters. Itachi with absolute intel on Kakashi's single most offensive attack is going in his favor, especially since he's one of the smartest shinobi to ever exist. He can easily counter it.

 

[LuckyMan]

He has to look at him to cast Kamui (something Itachi already has full intel on according to the thread maker). If he does that, Tsukuyomi one-shots.

Do you even read the manga? Its not a matter of Kakashi looking at him, but Itachi looking at him. Itachi has to make eye contact with Kakashi to execute the jutsu where as Kakashi can look at his neck and take it off. Stop arguing a losing battle.

 

[LustyLover]

Do you even read the manga? Its not a matter of Kakashi looking at him, but Itachi looking at him. Itachi has to make eye contact with Kakashi to execute the jutsu where as Kakashi can look at his neck and take it off. Stop arguing a losing battle.

How is Kakashi one-shotting him if he has full intel?

Oh and I don't need to argue one. You already are.

 

[Black Wolf]

Both are pretty similar fighters in base forms. Itachi has the advantage in Genjutsu, while Kakashi has the advantage in a more versatile and more lethal Ninjutsu arsenal. Main issue is that Itachi's advantage in basic Genjutsu won't be prevalent against another Mangekyo user, who has shown himself to be proficient enough to hold off the likes of Obito. Both have similar speed, Taijutsu skill (albeit first gate and Raikiri make Kakashi more dangerous in CQC), weapons ability, intelligence, and in-battle tactical prowess.

When it comes down to Mangekyo, both are equally lethal. Kakashi can teleport himself (pseudo-Hiraishin), teleport enemy attacks (i.e defensive) and can teleport the target at long range (offensive), while Itachi has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi (can potentially be resisted by Kakashi this far up in the manga), and Susano'o. It probably will come down to who is willing to execute their OHKO jutsu first or who took the precaution to set up a Kage Bunshin in case the opponent fires off their OHKO jutsu.

A close match.

 

[Braiyan]

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Itachi is not fast enough to dodge Kamui, nor does he have any proper defense against it, nor does Kakashi have any reason not to use it with full intel. Therefore he uses it and wins.

 

[LuckyMan]

How is Kakashi one-shotting him if he has full intel?

Oh and I don't need to argue one. You already are.

How does Raikage one shot many characters if they have full intel on him?

If you don't have a counter to something you are helpless against it. In this case, Itachi has no counter to Kamui.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Both are pretty similar fighters in base forms. Itachi has the advantage in Genjutsu, while Kakashi has the advantage in a more versatile and more lethal Ninjutsu arsenal. Main issue is that Itachi's advantage in basic Genjutsu won't be prevalent against another Mangekyo user, who has shown himself to be proficient enough to hold off the likes of Obito. Both have similar speed, Taijutsu skill (albeit first gate and Raikiri make Kakashi more dangerous in CQC), weapons ability, intelligence, and in-battle tactical prowess.

When it comes down to Mangekyo, both are equally lethal. Kakashi can teleport himself (pseudo-Hiraishin), teleport enemy attacks (i.e defensive) and can teleport the target at long range (offensive), while Itachi has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi (can potentially be resisted by Kakashi this far up in the manga), and Susano'o. It probably will come down to who is willing to execute their OHKO jutsu first or who took the precaution to set up a Kage Bunshin in case the opponent fires off their OHKO jutsu.

A close match.

pretty much how I see this fight going down U_U

What I see the difference maker being is if Itachi decides to pull susano'o. At that point Kakashi will know that that is the real Itachi and a kamui warp can be used with confidence. I also think kamui can bypass susano'o without having to warp the whole thing