MS Itachi and Jiraiya vs EMS Sasuke

[Champ]

Jiraiya get killed with Amaterasu, while Sasuke & Itachi do battle. Could end a stalemate between those the two

 

[KidGamer65]

If Jiraiya gets taken out with Amaterasu or a Susanoo arrow at the beginning then he can either draw or defeat Itachi.

But I think that Jiraiya and Itachi would win of course.

 

[the dark king]

Jiraya in SM from the beginning solo's high diff. With Itachi healthy.. low diff. Itachi is superior in almost every way with Jiraya to back him up. Sasuke uses Raiton, Shima uses Futon, Sasuke uses Katon Fukasaku uses suiton or itachi uses suiton. Jiraya and Itachi katon>Sasuke's Katon, Jiraya + Gamabunta oil katon>Sasuke Katon. Sasuke has the elemental disadvantage, clearly.

Defense: Itachi Susano'o and Jiraya SM body vs Sasuke Susano'o Itachi has Yata mirror, so clearly he has the better defense then Sasuke's. Itachi doesn't last long because of his stamina, but Jiraya has an extraordinarily large chakra supply, as well as a extremely resilient and strong body in SM.

Attack: Clearly Itachi with his Totsuka blade, what can Sasuke do against it, one shot and he's dead. Jiraya can use earth from the underworld (to slow him down) while Itachi uses his totsuka blade. The ninjutsu is out of Sasuke's league so no debate in that, if Itachi gets hit by Amateratsu, Jiraya can use the fire seal and take away the Amateratsu even if it did burns, or was on the outside of Itachi's Susano'o doing no damage.

Taijutsu: Jiraya SM and Itachi clearly. Itachi is much faster than Sasuke, and Jiraya has the clear upper hand in strength, sensing, and speed. Jiraya in SM can't be compared using frog kata to Sasuke as he is on an entirely different level. He can punch with Senjutsu enhanced strength (don't see the punch) as well as sense most the attacks the user is about to do.

Intelligence: Clearly Jiraya and Itachi are more intelligent, as Itachi is the most intelligent shinobi with Minato in Narutoverse and Jiraya is almost as smart, but in different ways.

i agree with this except the part about totsuka blade because its just a giant sword that can seal anything it pierces but its never been shown to be incredibly strong or anything so we dont know if it can pierce sasuke's susanoo, not to mention that sasuke has a blade covered in amaterasu when he uses susanoo and his bow can also be used as a shield and since he has both his and itachi's eyes it can be assumed his susanoo is of great strength.

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^^^ this is the blade sasuke can use to combat totsuka blade and his skill with blaze release can be used to increase his defense and offense so i dont see the totsuka blade doing much damage unless itachi gets an opening when sasuke is using his incomplete susanoo, but if he's using perfect susanoo totsuka blade probably won't do much against its strength ( i don't think you can even seal susanoo anyway)

 

[Icelerate]

Jiraiya and Itachi win with moderate amount of difficulty. As stated already, Jiraiya can hide behind Itachi's susanoo for cover and prep frog song which should be easy since he is already in sage mode.

Itachi alone is capable of giving Sasuke a good fight on his own so adding someone as powerful as Jiraiya would make it a certain victory.

 

[UchihaInza]

pervy sage teams up with Lord Itachi !!!! i think no one would stop them Uchiha Inza xd

 

[shelke]

Sasuke wins this mid difference. Jiriya is a non-commodity here. He gets taken out early in the fight while he is trying to initiate his SM. The fight is then reduced to Itachi and Sasuke. Other than Tsukyomi, all of Itachi's arsenal are inferior. Yata Mirror can be countered by Kakagatcuchi and wall of amatersu around Sussano. Sasuke can use magatamas and enton arrows simultaneously to rig the entire field under Amatersu. The heat will give rise to Clouds and Sasuke can simply use Kirin a few times to break apart Yata Mirror.

His moon genjutsu is useless against Sasuke and hence isn't an advantageous factor whatsoever. Itachi amatersu skills are abysmal compared to Sasuke's, who can counter his raw Amatersu with his own that is far superior in proficiency and manipulation. This is no contest. Then the only thing left is the battle of burden and chakra. Not only does Itachi have lower chakra reserves but MS puts additional burden on his body. After a little while, he will lose his CS and yata Mirror along with it. While Sasuke has shown no such constraints in EMS form.

Sasuke can simply shower him with Enton arrows and Magatamas and the fight will be over.

 

[Turson]

Sasuke wins this mid difference. Jiriya is a non-commodity here. He gets taken out early in the fight while he is trying to initiate his SM.

Well, in this thread Jiraiya starts in SM. In this scenario Itachi and Jiraiya can win with very simple strategy: Jiraiya gets his ass inside Itachis Susanoo and is preparing the Frog Song, while Itachi is tanking Sasuke attacks.

Sasuke can win, but in order to do so he needs to get rid of Jiraiya at the very beginning of the battle.

 

[Bogard]

Jiraya alone would win for me. Sasuke starts with Susanoo which weakness is from underground. Jiraya uses Yomi Numa. Sasuke would be sinked by Jiraya's Yomi Numa in this case. End. Jiraya's versatiliy, plus boss summon and ninjutsu would surely give him an advantage. If needed, he can use toad barrier where he could hide to prepare SM/capture Sasuke in. In SM, he gains superior ninjutsu, power, speed and reflexes

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Sasuke wins this mid difference. Jiriya is a non-commodity here. He gets taken out early in the fight while he is trying to initiate his SM. The fight is then reduced to Itachi and Sasuke. Other than Tsukyomi, all of Itachi's arsenal are inferior. Yata Mirror can be countered by Kakagatcuchi and wall of amatersu around Sussano. Sasuke can use magatamas and enton arrows simultaneously to rig the entire field under Amatersu. The heat will give rise to Clouds and Sasuke can simply use Kirin a few times to break apart Yata Mirror.

His moon genjutsu is useless against Sasuke and hence isn't an advantageous factor whatsoever. Itachi amatersu skills are abysmal compared to Sasuke's, who can counter his raw Amatersu with his own that is far superior in proficiency and manipulation. This is no contest. Then the only thing left is the battle of burden and chakra. Not only does Itachi have lower chakra reserves but MS puts additional burden on his body. After a little while, he will lose his CS and yata Mirror along with it. While Sasuke has shown no such constraints in EMS form.

Sasuke can simply shower him with Enton arrows and Magatamas and the fight will be over.

Finally someone says Sasuke wins xd I thought I'm the only one who thinks he wins.

 

[shelke]

Well, in this thread Jiraiya starts in SM. In this scenario Itachi and Jiraiya can win with very simple strategy: Jiraiya gets his ass inside Itachis Susanoo and is preparing the Frog Song, while Itachi is tanking Sasuke attacks.

Sasuke can win, but in order to do so he needs to get rid of Jiraiya at the very beginning of the battle.

Still fine, but frog song requires prep time. And Jiriya will need to run inside Itachi's Sussano, wouldn't he? That time span is enough for a couple of enton arrows spams. Jiriya has nothing to counter Sussano if left alone. I still believe he is a non-factor in this battle.

 

[Unorthodox]

sasuke was underrated here clearly jiraiya is fodder and frog song can be seen so it can be dodge sasuke takes this extreme high diff

 

[Exaar]

Still fine, but frog song requires prep time. And Jiriya will need to run inside Itachi's Sussano, wouldn't he? That time span is enough for a couple of enton arrows spams. Jiriya has nothing to counter Sussano if left alone. I still believe he is a non-factor in this battle.

You do know Itachi Nor jiraiya will stand still and do nothing while frog song is being Prepped, Anyway, He doesn't need to "counter" susanoo, itachi's susanoo defends against any attack sasuke has to offer.
We've already seen a sound base Genjutsu take down susanoo befor.

 

[Unorthodox]

Jiraya alone would win for me. Sasuke starts with Susanoo which weakness is from underground. Jiraya uses Yomi Numa. Sasuke would be sinked by Jiraya's Yomi Numa in this case. End. Jiraya's versatiliy, plus boss summon and ninjutsu would surely give him an advantage. If needed, he can use toad barrier where he could hide to prepare SM/capture Sasuke in. In SM, he gains superior ninjutsu, power, speed and reflexes

sasuke starts with amateraus jiraiya starts dead

 

[Exaar]

sasuke starts with amateraus jiraiya starts dead

Itachi starts with amaterasu also.

Jiraiya dies, Sasuke Dies.

Itachi = last man standing, Itachi's team wins.

 

[shelke]

You do know Itachi Nor jiraiya will stand still and do nothing while frog song is being Prepped, Anyway, He doesn't need to "counter" susanoo, itachi's susanoo defends against any attack sasuke has to offer.
We've already seen a sound base Genjutsu take down susanoo befor.

Read my post again; the first one. Regardless, Sasuke can use Magatama and arrows simultaneously. Wouldn't make much of a difference whether Itachi does something or not. Also, Sasuke could only keep up an incomplete sussano for a few minutes - I'll say 4 or 5 at best. Itachi wouldn't last long with CS. Noting that Sasuke has more chakra reserves, and he didn't last long, Itachi's would be brought down to lower layer even quicker as CS is a higher form and would prove to be even more taxing on the body.

The second it goes down, so does his Yata Mirror. He would be completely open to all CS attacks from Sasuke. He wouldn't be able to keep that up for long as well, as you are forgetting that he's an MS user.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Team one will win easily

 

[genii96]

Finally someone says Sasuke wins xd I thought I'm the only one who thinks he wins.

dont get your hopes upxd,you are still hoplessly outnumbered,both in the thread and the poll.xd

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

dont get your hopes upxd,you are still hoplessly outnumbered,both in the thread and the poll.xd

Yeah I know :T_T:

btw, what do you think: An Itachi and Tsunade, or an Itachi and Orochimaru combination can defeat Sasuke?

 

[Exaar]

Read my post again; the first one. Regardless, Sasuke can use Magatama and arrows simultaneously. Wouldn't make much of a difference whether Itachi does something or not. Also, Sasuke could only keep up an incomplete sussano for a few minutes - I'll say 4 or 5 at best. Itachi wouldn't last long with CS. Noting that Sasuke has more chakra reserves, and he didn't last long, Itachi's would be brought down to lower layer even quicker as CS is a higher form and would prove to be even more taxing on the body.

The second it goes down, so does his Yata Mirror. He would be completely open to all CS attacks from Sasuke. He wouldn't be able to keep that up for long as well, as you are forgetting that he's an MS user.

Itachi doesn't need to keep it up for long,he could sustain a full susanoo while being practically dead and out of chakra. All he needs is enough time to protect jiraiya.

Also you seem to be claiming that in the time it takes jiraiya to reach Itachi, Or for itachi to even be able to react, Sasuke can quite easily spam a couple of enton arrows?, Lol please.
It was my assumption that in team battles they start of pretty much next to each other, Not a couple of feat apart.

Anyway even so, Jiraiya can react to Susanoo arrows, Kakashi himself was able to react to it and warp it, While in Sm jiraiya's natural reactions along with everything else is increase, With the assistance of his sensor barrier

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He should have enough time to dodge one or Two. Even So sasuke hasn't ever proven can be spam these very fast, As i remember he has never shot more than one in quick succession.

Also add jiraiya's own speed feat while in Sm to this
Completely blitzing one path befor it could even react

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And here
He drops his (shoe/slipper what ever you call them)

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The moment it hits the floor, He has more from the wall, and gotten close to one of the paths, while at the same time being able to form a huge assed rasengan, All in the space of mere seconds

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Also i'm pretty sure if sasuke is spamming both Magatama and arrows simultaneously (never has shown the ability to be able to do so) but lets say he does, I'm sure itachi would out last him if he is throwing chakra away like that as you say.

Shocking how people underrate jiraiya so badly.

 

[shelke]

- That scenario was very different. Even Sasuke pushes himself indefinitely to use high tier techniques during his fight with Danzo, but this is CS. How long did he maintain it before it leeched out his chakra completely and he dropped dead? He wouldn't be able to maintain a level four Sussano for such a long period when Sasuke said that even at ribs level every cell in his body ached.

- Even if it's less than a second, he can still be taken out, as Danzo was before he used Izanagi. Jiriya is not quicker than izanagi, now is he? If you believe that Sasuke is simply letting him get inside, then this is not a very solid point. Even if I do give you leeway, then Sasuke can simply summon a hawk and take to air, completely out of the range of Jiriya's frog song and can wait it out till the point Itachi's chakra levels drastically drop and so does his CS.

- Kakashi didn't react to it, he simply wrapped them. He said that they were 'too fast' and Danzo also supported this logic, when he said that there wasn't any time to form a single hand seal. Regardless of how fast he is, he isn't faster than Kamui or Izagani. Even the thought is far-fectched.

- Where is it stated that he can't spam it? This is a cop out to put more weight on the other party's performance.

- Jiraiya's performance with Pein was laughable. Don't even bring that argument up. That is human path. It charged straight in to suck his soul. It's not an offensive path at all, but a defensive one. Practically useless otherwise, and not proficient in any taijustu or speed feats. If he kicked him out of the way, then it isn't a feat at all. Jiraiya only faced about 5 % of pein's power, and died brutally when Asura confronted him. Had he shown something for that, I would've even considered your point.

- That shoe slipper point works against you, as he built his momentum by gathering is strength and then pushing himself off the wall. As you can see the dent left in the wall afterwards with the backwards force he applied. Completely useless in this battle.

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- His Sussano has three hands. Just thought you should know. Like I said; a non-commodity in this battle. This guy is over-rated by fans a lot.