[Discussion] Movement against Chinese Dog eating festival

[kimb]

I don't like killing animals, I'm just saying what it is.

No one likes killing animals, but just because you did not lay a hand on a knife that killed an animal does not mean you're not in support of the death of that animal. It's easier for everyone to eat meat when you go to the super market and buy meat in nice, neat clean packages, you don't have to acknowledge the fact that it was once a living being.

"If you couldn't do it yourself, why would you pay someone else to?"

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In general animals are less valuable than human. That is why Harambe was shot. If you say that a black kids life did not mattered that day you are raycist. Dogs are less valuable in general.

More valuable in what sense? Of course human life is more valuable to other humans, in the same sense that the life of a Lion's pride is more valuable to a Lion than a human. A Lion would not think twice before taking a bite out of your jugular if it meant that it would keep him alive and his cubs fed. A human's life has no more value than a Lion does.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Cultural difference, sure- who's to call eating dogs stranger than taking them in?

But at the same time it's not unnatural, hypocritical or odd for people to be against the torture of the dog nor the concept of eating them at all- they're an ingrained part of our society whether you see them as family or labourforce. I'm obviously going to see it as disgusting, but in the bigger sense, not unnatural.

Sometimes when I just see that block of edgy red text I just skip it now, swear you just try to be controversial.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

People want to eat every ****ing thing I don't know when other humans gonna be added to the menu

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

The Chinese simply don't value animal life at all, remember seeing how they stuffed a Polar Bear in a shopping mall & it's going insane.

Guess it goes hand in hand with the more industrial production. I do personally see it as really sad, we've done similar but we're at least working on our Seaworld's and Harambes.

 

[Dantе]

No one likes killing animals, but just because you did not lay a hand on a knife that killed an animal does not mean you're not in support of the death of that animal. It's easier for everyone to eat meat when you go to the super market and buy meat in nice, neat clean packages, you don't have to acknowledge the fact that it was once a living being.

"If you couldn't do it yourself, why would you pay someone else to?"

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More valuable in what sense? Of course human life is more valuable to other humans, in the same sense that the life of a Lion's pride is more valuable to a Lion than a human. A Lion would not think twice before taking a bite out of your jugular if it meant that it would keep him alive and his cubs fed. A human's life has no more value than a Lion does.

Bah, why did you think I eat meat? I am vegetarian.

 

[Wabbit]

More valuable in what sense? Of course human life is more valuable to other humans, in the same sense that the life of a Lion's pride is more valuable to a Lion than a human. A Lion would not think twice before taking a bite out of your jugular if it meant that it would keep him alive and his cubs fed. A human's life has no more value than a Lion does.

Of course you value your kind. A human is more valuable to a human or we can measure value based on some attributes either way human's will be greater than lion's. Animals cant think for themselves and under the mercy of humans to not get extinct. Some animals are domesticated for food. They are below the food chain. One might save his dog instead of person because his dog is valuable to him and see dog eaters as savage that is a special case.

 

[Avani]

Most of the dogs that are being eaten during the Festivals are stolen from their owner.

Can't see the difference between my brother or dog being kidnapped and then eaten.

lol It's still just a dog, and not your brother.

And then Western world finds it difficult to understand when Indians use almost the same argument against beef.


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But eating dogs is not Part of the Chinese culture and it is also prohibited.

It was prohibited because of the Bad conditions the dogs had to go through. We don't skin or cook pigs here while they are alive.

People here protest against the cruelty of some Chinese people not the actual fact that they eat dogs.

Dog eating has been part of the Chinese culture though on the decline in recent years.

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However the festival is not- meaning the dog eating festival was a commercial event and not a cultural tradition.

Oh and you can believe me. Eat beef only once in India and they will beat you to death.

That's some major BS. India is the biggest exporter of the beef. And one can find it in restaurants too especially in south. Or in areas where Muslims are in majority.

The one guy that was killed was accused of stealing the calf by some miscreants who gathered a mob. One of the accused who was part of the mob died in judicial custody since; other are being tried. The case is still ongoing. The meat was indeed found to be beef ( in a forensic report conducted after the event) but stolen or not cannot be said yet or ever. Either way the whole incident was sad. The same village had donated land and built a mosque on it for minority Muslims because they didn't have one of their own, in the past. Then came these idiots who made them all look bad.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Electrocuting and then killing them is also not okay with me; but I can't do anything about it.

Not an answer to the propsed question.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

lol It's still just a dog, and not your brother.

And then Western world finds it difficult to understand when Indians use almost the same argument against beef.


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Dog eating has been part of the Chinese culture though on the decline in recent years.

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However the festival is not- meaning the dog eating festival was a commercial event and not a cultural tradition.



That's some major BS. India is the biggest exporter of the beef. And one can find it in restaurants too especially in south. Or in areas where Muslims are in majority.

The one guy that was killed was accused of stealing the calf by some miscreants who gathered a mob and one of the accused who was part of the mob that killed him died in judicial custody since, other are being tried. The case is still ongoing. The meat was indeed found to be beef but stolen or not cannot be said yet or ever. Either way the whole incident was sad because the same village had donated land and built a mosque on it for minority Muslims because the didn't have an of their own, in the past. Then came these idiots who made them all look bad.

So you agree with killing someone's pet & eating it? Even if one views this pet as a child?

 

[HashiraMadara]

"I like meat, it's delicious"
"No eating dogs is bad and cruel"
"No I don't mean as its meat I mean the way they kill it"
"But but it's less painful that what they do to that dog"
"Okay but most here to don't do that"
"That's because we have strict laws to make sure they follow the protocol"
[COLOR="FF000"]Basically this path of "logic" these plebs take[/COLOR]

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

1. We eat meat all the time and there's not really much difference in the animals.

2. The west kills them horribly too, at least in the states, and their living conditions are horrible as well. See chickens, cows, and pigs.

3. Pigs are said to be smarter than dogs at times. We also squish them to death.

4. Just because you have a dog and love it, doesn't mean others see it too. Some people have pigs as pets.

I agree it takes a special type of scum to cook a dog alive however, and dogs should not be stolen. This should be punished. But my point is eating farm animals and then complaining about dogs being eaten is hypocritical.

Unfortunately, it's a fact that in order to move in this world, trampling on life is unavoidable, but it makes sense that we draw the line at humans. We need to make sure we mitigate the cruelty to animals, honestly I understand why vegans annoy us and I admire that but meat is just too good.

 

[kimb]

Bah, why did you I eat meat? I am vegetarian.

Sorry for making that assumption. You seemed to be arguing from the point that people can eat meat, which I disagree with. VVV

Well, that sure is hypocrisy. I mean, people can eat whatever they want - pigs, dogs, cats etc.

Of course you value your kind. A human is more valuable to a human or we can measure value based on some attributes either way human's will be greater than lion's. Animals cant think for themselves and under the mercy of humans to not get extinct. Some animals are domesticated for food. They are below the food chain. One might save his dog instead of person because his dog is valuable to him and see dog eaters as savage that is a special case.

You don't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down. Humans can find certain attributes within the world of humans, but human hold no more value to any animal within the natural world, or the universe. You say "we can measure value based on some attributes", but only humans find those attributes valuable. Just like big antlers on a deer is a valuable attribute to other deer, in no way is it of any value to a human nor does it hold any greater value within the universe.

You also make the point that animals cannot think for themselves in a way to devalue them and that they're only alive by the mercy of humans, which is false. Humans are the root source of nearly all animal extinctions, whether it be destroying their habitat via pollution, or deforestation, excessive hunting which creates imbalances in preexisting ecosystems, introducing foreign animal species, and global warming. Humans did not bring upon the salvation of animals, but the destruction. Organizations like the WWF (World Wildlife Foundation) only exist to correct the damage humans have caused.

Unfortunately, it's a fact that in order to move in this world, trampling on life is unavoidable, but it makes sense that we draw the line at humans. We need to make sure we mitigate the cruelty to animals, honestly I understand why vegans annoy us and I admire that but meat is just too good.

But it is avoidable. You've given the example veganism. It just seems people choose to trample on life in order to move in this world.

 

[ToshiZO]

Pigs are some of the smartest and emotionally aware animals on this planet, actually smarter than dogs. The west feeds on them like there is no tomorrow.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

"I like meat, it's delicious"
"No eating dogs is bad and cruel"
"No I don't mean as its meat I mean the way they kill it"
"But but it's less painful that what they do to that dog"
"Okay but most here to don't do that"
"That's because we have strict laws to make sure they follow the protocol"
[COLOR="FF000"]Basically this path of "logic" these plebs take[/COLOR]

Regardless of what you say no animal should be cooked or disected or skinned alive, not dog nor anything else.

Have the common decency to atleast kill it humanely first.

If that makes me a pleb to think this way, then it makes you a demented monster to agree with boiling dogs alive.

 

[Avani]

Sorry for making that assumption. You seemed to be arguing from the point that people can eat meat, which I disagree with. VVV





You don't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down. Humans can find certain attributes within the world of humans, but human hold no more value to any animal within the natural world, or the universe. You say "we can measure value based on some attributes", but only humans find those attributes valuable. Just like big antlers on a deer is a valuable attribute to other deer, in no way is it of any value to a human nor does it hold any greater value within the universe.

You also make the point that animals cannot think for themselves in a way to devalue them and that they're only alive by the mercy of humans, which is false. Humans are the root source of nearly all animal extinctions, whether it be destroying their habitat via pollution, or deforestation, excessive hunting which creates imbalances in preexisting ecosystems, introducing foreign animal species, and global warming. Humans did not bring upon the salvation of animals, but the destruction. Organizations like the WWF (World Wildlife Foundation) only exist to correct the damage humans have caused.





But it is avoidable. You've given the example veganism. It just seems people choose to trample on life in order to move in this world.

You seem to be completely off the track. Whether vegan life style is better or not or vegetarian is the way to go or what's life and if all living creatures have the same value, is not the thread topic. The protesters are not representing vegans but they are against dog meat specifically.

And while it can be argued whether method of their killing is humane or not, and issues like stolen pets need attention, whether a dog should be eaten or not is just not for others to dictate. Especially since they themselves eat meat and also eat animals that are seen as pet/household animals and given the same level of consideration as a member of the house out of that pet love. Thus OP questioned hypocrisy of the people who think only their food choices are legit.

So you agree with killing someone's pet & eating it? Even if one views this pet as a child?

You ought to have some extraordinary fantastical out of the world deduction skills to conclude something like that from my post. Wouldn't that be criminal for stealing?

Regardless of what you say no animal should be cooked or disected or skinned alive, not dog nor anything else.

Have the common decency to atleast kill it humanely first.

If that makes me a pleb to think this way, then it makes you a demented monster to agree with boiling dogs alive.

I didn't read all the posts. So are you only against the method of killing, otherwise you have no issue with dog eating? Or You have an issue with dog eating and thus using some side issues like stolen pet or inhumane killing to stop the practice altogether?

 

[Dantе]

Not an answer to the propsed question.

"So they should feel the blood drained from their bodies, feel being boiled, feel their throats sliced, that's okay to you?"
It's not okay to me... but what I implied is that boiling alive or electrocuting them to kill them does not make much difference if they are gonna die in the end.

Sorry for making that assumption. You seemed to be arguing from the point that people can eat meat, which I disagree with.

People can eat meat; if you and I don't eat it, doesn't mean others will stop.

So you agree with killing someone's pet & eating it? Even if one views this pet as a child?

I condemn stealing, but for the eating part: I don't care.

Regardless of what you say no animal should be cooked or disected or skinned alive, not dog nor anything else.

Have the common decency to atleast kill it humanely first.

If that makes me a pleb to think this way, then it makes you a demented monster to agree with boiling dogs alive.

You think it is justified eating them just because you kill them in "humane" way? You are a monster for eating them whatsoever; killing them in a "humane" or inhumane way doesn't make much difference if you are going to kill them just because they "taste good".

 

[HashiraMadara]

Regardless of what you say no animal should be cooked or disected or skinned alive, not dog nor anything else.

Have the common decency to atleast kill it humanely first.

If that makes me a pleb to think this way, then it makes you a demented monster to agree with boiling dogs alive.

Morality is a completely different topic worth its own thread. It is highly subjective it self. Cooking alive of dogs is a rare one even in the festival, it's a special kind of cuisine said to "bring a better and richer flavour" only a few people afford.

Secondly 90% of plebs in this argument uses an excuse of "inhumane methods" and "most dogs are stolen" to massage the fact that they are not comfortable with someone eating a dog. Meanwhile while seafood gets boiled alive in the name of exotic cuisine and you throw excuses of more complex emotional structure? Sharks are top notch in evolution yet you give 0 f*cks about them being skinned alive and boiled in pans. How many innocent non edible fish are caught in net fishing?

I hate this dog eating, it's disgusting to cook an alive thing, I can never bring my self to watch a dog being cooked alive but this IS NOT ABOUT ME or my sentimental ideals, it's about someone else choosing his diet. Something West has never taught them selves since the missionaries who changed anything into their way of thinking. AND YES YOU ARE A PLEB IF YOU WILL BELITTLE INDIAN'S WAY OF LOOKING AT A COW YET YOU NAMED A DOG MAN'S BEST FRIEND :|

 

[Conspirator.]

To be honest I don't see anything wrong with people from different cultures choosing to eat dog meat. Just because you yourself are uncomfortable with people consuming dog meat doesn't mean you should try and impose your way of thinking on others......

 

[kimb]

People can eat meat; if you and I don't eat it, doesn't mean others will

This is why activism exists; to stand up for what you believe in. If you believe eating meat is wrong, you should be able to promote it. Its how ideas spread. If it wasnt for activists fighting to end segregation in the 1950's we'd still be under jim crowe. I wasnt born a vegan, an activist convinced me. Now I adopt the same beliefs and go around convincing others. That is how change is brought upon.

I dont know if youre a vegetarian for health reasons or moral reasons, but if it's for moral reasons, I hope you feel the same way.

 

[Dantе]

This is why activism exists; to stand up for what you believe in. If you believe eating meat is wrong, you should be able to promote it. Its how ideas spread. If it wasnt for activists fighting to end segregation in the 1950's we'd still be under jim crowe. I wasnt born a vegan, an activist convinced me. Now I adopt the same beliefs and go around convincing others. That is how change is brought upon.

I dont know if youre a vegetarian for health reasons or moral reasons, but if it's for moral reasons, I hope you feel the same way.

It's for both environmental and ethical reasons; but mostly for environmental reasons.