[Discussion] Mother Caramel

[Our Lord Sasuke]

After I read this chapter I believe that Mother Caramel will have a big rol in the future, I just wonder which is the connection between Big Mom and Mother Caramel
I have this feeling that the ”real” Big Mom is in the photography and the fat Big Mom is just a puppet or something like that XD XD

 

[chopstickchakra]

After I read this chapter I believe that Mother Caramel will have a big rol in the future, I just wonder which is the connection between Big Mom and Mother Caramel
I have this feeling that the ”real” Big Mom is in the photography and the fat Big Mom is just a puppet or something like that XD XD

Maybe the BM we've seen is part of her soul placed into a body and the real BM is residing in the picture somehow? Could possibly explain the difference between her yonkou silhouette image and her in comic appearance.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

This Caramel probably Linlin's sister. Little sister.

 

[Love Cook]

Well to have a picture present of someone like that often means that the person is deceased. So maybe it's her dead mother and she has mommy issues. Calling herself Big Mom too and trying to have a lot of children and taking on a motherly role. Maybe BM had a bad childhood where her mom didn't care for her daughter and she is now trying to be a better mother than her own mother was. But still is looking for approval from her dead mother.

Those are my 2 cents

 

[Passerby]

Well to have a picture present of someone like that often means that the person is deceased. So maybe it's her dead mother and she has mommy issues. Calling herself Big Mom too and trying to have a lot of children and taking on a motherly role. Maybe BM had a bad childhood where her mom didn't care for her daughter and she is now trying to be a better mother than her own mother was. But still is looking for approval from her dead mother.

Those are my 2 cents

Nothing says I love you than eating your kids.

 

[Caliburn]

Well I'm just going to repeat what I said in the official chapter discussion thread. Considering none of her children know about het and that she apparently saved BM, they must have met each other a long long time ago, even before BM started producing offspring as from who would a Yonkou need saving? This can only have happened when she was an up an coming rookie or even before that.

The fact that she calls her Mother Caramel and herself Big Mum, says a lot too as, similar to WB, she seems to have familial issues. Either she had a bad family or none at all, hence she is trying to compensate that by creating some kind of a super family of all races.

With other words Caramel was most likely some kind of a foster mother to her, so counting all of that up she must at least be someone of Sengoku's/WB's/Garp's generation. On top of that her identity would have the most impact on the story if either we know her already or she's related to and important and/or current relevant character. Like Luffy's grandmother, as in Garp's wife.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well I'm just going to repeat what I said in the official chapter discussion thread. Considering none of her children know about het and that she apparently saved BM, they must have met each other a long long time ago, even before BM started producing offspring as from who would a Yonkou need saving? This can only have happened when she was an up an coming rookie or even before that.

The fact that she calls her Mother Caramel and herself Big Mum, says a lot too as, similar to WB, she seems to have familial issues. Either she had a bad family or none at all, hence she is trying to compensate that by creating some kind of a super family of all races.

With other words Caramel was most likely some kind of a foster mother to her, so counting all of that up she must at least be someone of Sengoku's/WB's/Garp's generation. On top of that her identity would have the most impact on the story if either we know her already or she's related to and important and/or current relevant character. Like Luffy's grandmother, as in Garp's wife.

Have you seen the theory that says Luffy and BM are related and the reasoning is Luffy having Thor Gun and Red Hawk are like Prometheus and Zeus and it's a trait only available to the D's.

 

[Caliburn]

Have you seen the theory that says Luffy and BM are related and the reasoning is Luffy having Thor Gun and Red Hawk are like Prometheus and Zeus and it's a trait only available to the D's.

No and to be honest it seems like a theory I really wouldn't be a fan of as apparently it's based on the the fact that both Luffy and BM have some electric and fire-based attacks, which I find way too common to be a factor of importance (fire and electric/lightning based attacks aren't that uncommon in OP). In the case of BM Prometheus and Zeus are indirect results of her DF, while in the case of Luffy the influence of his DF is not certain, maybe not even relevant as the primary origin seems to be his Haki. Until further notice BM isn't a D either and I doubt she ever will be revealed as one (not in the least because that would imply all her children are D's as well).

So it really is way too much based on assumptions and wishful thinking, but granted that Mother Caramel would be Luffy's grandmother is also not based on much. She's just someone who fits the profile and of whom I think it would be interesting to see her being introduced. That doesn't take away though that my analysis of the little information we have is logical. There are namely two important observations here:

1) Mother Caramal, if she is still alive, should be quite old and at least be from Garp's generation. It's hard to explain how no one could know her and was able to save a Yonkou if it happened recently.

2) She would have the most impact on the story if she's related and known to a current relevant character. If she's just some random woman on a picture then her only redeeming feature is being a picture that has to be mangled. Of course it's possible that now she would not mean much, but later on in the story would become relevant again. I personally though prefer the possibility that she is related and known to someone like a Strawhat that is present as that would affect the story immediately. Take for example that Caramel is indeed Luffy's grandmother and in the midst of the ensuing chaos he sees the (broken) picture and recognizes it as his grandmother. That would provide yet again a completely unexpected twist to a scenario that is already going into all directions.

There are numerous other possibilities for this supposed connection with Mother Caramel, however I just want to see what kind of woman would be able to ensnare the hero of the marines and someone who can influence a Yonkou to such a degree is plainly perfect
For the same money she might be Brook's little sister or whatever.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

What if it was Bonney lol... They share a few qualities, such as appearance (clothes, make-up) and eating habits. Bonney can change her age at will so maybe she wanted a fresh start when she started off again in paradise as a "rookie." Would be an interesting twist aha. Would explain how / why she could have been involved with Blackbeard / he knew her from a previous incident.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What if it was Bonney lol... They share a few qualities, such as appearance (clothes, make-up) and eating habits. Bonney can change her age at will so maybe she wanted a fresh start when she started off again in paradise as a "rookie." Would be an interesting twist aha. Would explain how / why she could have been involved with Blackbeard / he knew her from a previous incident.

A bit of a flip to the Bonney is BM's kid theory eh?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

A bit of a flip to the Bonney is BM's kid theory eh?

I mean there is no way Bonney is not related in some way to big mom etc too many similarities but I wouldn't be suprise for with that theory

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

A bit of a flip to the Bonney is BM's kid theory eh?

Precisely

I was 100% convinced that Bonney would end up being BM's daughter, especially when there was the whole "daughter who ran away" info being released... But with recent chapters stressing how no daughter gets away and that Lola was the only one, I'm thinking that Bonney isn't BM daughter.

I'm now under the speculation of her either being Mother Caramel (due to the last chapter, but this is a stretch) or related to her in some way like a sister. She was introduced as being from South Blue, so my guess is she won't be Big Mom's daughter, not since Totland began that is as Big Mom would have no reason to leave the Grand Line and if there was she'd just send one of her children.

 

[Caliburn]

I mean there is no way Bonney is not related in some way to big mom etc too many similarities but I wouldn't be suprise for with that theory

Actually there aren't that many similarities and most of them by now have been invalidated.

Precisely

I was 100% convinced that Bonney would end up being BM's daughter, especially when there was the whole "daughter who ran away" info being released... But with recent chapters stressing how no daughter gets away and that Lola was the only one, I'm thinking that Bonney isn't BM daughter.

I'm now under the speculation of her either being Mother Caramel (due to the last chapter, but this is a stretch) or related to her in some way like a sister. She was introduced as being from South Blue, so my guess is she won't be Big Mom's daughter, not since Totland began that is as Big Mom would have no reason to leave the Grand Line and if there was she'd just send one of her children.

I was never a fan of the Bonney-is-BM's-daughter theory, but before this arc it still had some things going for it. However those things have been pretty much invalidated throughout the current arc. In fact it makes far more sense that she is not a daughter than that she would be one.

That she would be Mother Caramel is an interesting thought, but putting aside it doesn't have anything substantial supporting it, Bonney doesn't fit Caramel's profile. She even once said that, after reading about Luffy's and Law's antics on Dressrosa, she was happy to be in the same generation as them and that's quite a weird thing to say when you're supposed to be much older.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Actually there aren't that many similarities and most of them by now have been invalidated.



I was never a fan of the Bonney-is-BM's-daughter theory, but before this arc it still had some things going for it. However those things have been pretty much invalidated throughout the current arc. In fact it makes far more sense that she is not a daughter than that she would be one.

That she would be Mother Caramel is an interesting thought, but putting aside it doesn't have anything substantial supporting it, Bonney doesn't fit Caramel's profile. She even once said that, after reading about Luffy's and Law's antics on Dressrosa, she was happy to be in the same generation as them and that's quite a weird thing to say when you're supposed to be much older.

Caramel's profile? What page was that shown again? And she could have said that meaning I'm happy to be in another generation of trouble raisers or she could remember Roger and his hat and noticed it on Luffy? It could be like a nostalgia happiness that being lumped in with them reminds her of her early days, idk.

 

[Caliburn]

Caramel's profile? What page was that shown again? And she could have said that meaning I'm happy to be in another generation of trouble raisers or she could remember Roger and his hat and noticed it on Luffy? It could be like a nostalgia happiness that being lumped in with them reminds her of her early days, idk.

When you solicit for a job, most of the time companies will spread vacancies describing which personality traits they prefer, which qualifications you need to have, what kind of education you should have followed etc. with other words a profile. The closer you conform with that profile, the higher your chances will be to be hired.

When the police searches for an unknown person, for example a murderer, they will most likely create a profile of the criminal based on the information they have so that they can channel their search into specific directions.

In this case it refers to Caramel's character profile derived from the little information we have of her. It's not much and obviously when we receive more info about her, the profile will most likely have to be edited. Logically however you are never or rarely going to see someone being profiled intentionally and explicitly in a chapter, it's something we do. In this case me and you can read about that in my previous comments, but if you want me to repeat myself:

Mother Caramel saved BM, a Yonkou, in some way and apparently this had a tremendous influence on her. No one however seems to know anything about what events transpired or the person that is named Caramel. This is kinda odd if all of this happened recently as from what kind of predicament would a Yonkou have to be saved and this without even her own children be knowledgeable about it? The most logical conclusion would be here that this happened a long time ago and considering the impact it had on her, you might even reason that this is what led to BM having the utopian dream of a multi-species family and why Caramel's picture has such a prominent place on her dining table. Normally you also don't refer to someone younger as you as "mother".

You can make a comparison here with the relationship between Luffy and Shanks as the latter saved Luffy when he was a kid and was a key influence on Luffy's dream of becoming the Pirate King. This would mean that Mother Caramel is quite old, like she experienced the rise and death of Gol D Roger and of course how this led to the Great Age of Piracy and it's kinda odd that she would identify herself with the current generation while having lived through all of that.

No Bonney really doesn't fit the profile as it stands now. To be honest her character has been quite underwhelming and her most prominent feat so far is being the sole female amongst the Supernova's. She also carries the questionable honor of being the first one to fall prey to the New World. Frankly the only thing that makes her character interesting, is the unknown nature of her relationship with the Marines and why she was so upset with the War of the Best.

 

[chopstickchakra]

When you solicit for a job, most of the time companies will spread vacancies describing which personality traits they prefer, which qualifications you need to have, what kind of education you should have followed etc. with other words a profile. The closer you conform with that profile, the higher your chances will be to be hired.

When the police searches for an unknown person, for example a murderer, they will most likely create a profile of the criminal based on the information they have so that they can channel their search into specific directions.

In this case it refers to Caramel's character profile derived from the little information we have of her. It's not much and obviously when we receive more info about her, the profile will most likely have to be edited. Logically however you are never or rarely going to see someone being profiled intentionally and explicitly in a chapter, it's something we do. In this case me and you can read about that in my previous comments, but if you want me to repeat myself:

Mother Caramel saved BM, a Yonkou, in some way and apparently this had a tremendous influence on her. No one however seems to know anything about what events transpired or the person that is named Caramel. This is kinda odd if all of this happened recently as from what kind of predicament would a Yonkou have to be saved and this without even her own children be knowledgeable about it? The most logical conclusion would be here that this happened a long time ago and considering the impact it had on her, you might even reason that this is what led to BM having the utopian dream of a multi-species family and why Caramel's picture has such a prominent place on her dining table. Normally you also don't refer to someone younger as you as "mother".

You can make a comparison here with the relationship between Luffy and Shanks as the latter saved Luffy when he was a kid and was a key influence on Luffy's dream of becoming the Pirate King. This would mean that Mother Caramel is quite old, like she experienced the rise and death of Gol D Roger and of course how this led to the Great Age of Piracy and it's kinda odd that she would identify herself with the current generation while having lived through all of that.

No Bonney really doesn't fit the profile as it stands now. To be honest her character has been quite underwhelming and her most prominent feat so far is being the sole female amongst the Supernova's. She also carries the questionable honor of being the first one to fall prey to the New World. Frankly the only thing that makes her character interesting, is the unknown nature of her relationship with the Marines and why she was so upset with the War of the Best.

I thought you meant profile as in silhouette/profile as in there was an image of Mother Caramel's body that Bonnie didn't match with. That's what I was asking about since I didn't remember seeing a profile shot of Mother Caramel.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Actually there aren't that many similarities and most of them by now have been invalidated.



I was never a fan of the Bonney-is-BM's-daughter theory, but before this arc it still had some things going for it. However those things have been pretty much invalidated throughout the current arc. In fact it makes far more sense that she is not a daughter than that she would be one.

That she would be Mother Caramel is an interesting thought, but putting aside it doesn't have anything substantial supporting it, Bonney doesn't fit Caramel's profile. She even once said that, after reading about Luffy's and Law's antics on Dressrosa, she was happy to be in the same generation as them and that's quite a weird thing to say when you're supposed to be much older.

I was a fan of it in the sense that it just made sense, the lips, the hair, the gluttony she showed and above all else, her ship! It's almost the same. So whether that means she has some connection with her, idolised her and copied her or just simply came from the same place as her we just don't know.

Fair point on her reaction to Luffy and Law, but I think her surrounding mysteries mixed in with the fact that she can change her age at will could make it possible. Don't know why but it was the first thought that crossed my mind the second I read the Mother Caramel bit and I just thought it'd be interesting to share

 

[Caliburn]

I was a fan of it in the sense that it just made sense, the lips, the hair, the gluttony she showed and above all else, her ship! It's almost the same. So whether that means she has some connection with her, idolised her and copied her or just simply came from the same place as her we just don't know.

Fair point on her reaction to Luffy and Law, but I think her surrounding mysteries mixed in with the fact that she can change her age at will could make it possible. Don't know why but it was the first thought that crossed my mind the second I read the Mother Caramel bit and I just thought it'd be interesting to share

It made some sense before this arc, however it doesn't anymore now. That she's a glutton and had that lipstick (pretty sure it's lipstick and that her lips are normal) were sensible arguments when you only had Bonney and a few characteristics of Big Mum we learned indirectly, but now we met numerous of her children and by no means are these characteristics like gluttony common or even present amongst the other children. If all of her children are major gluttons then that argument has some value, but not when apparently Bonney is the only one. Luffy is likewise a glutton, but I sincerely doubt he's the secret love child of Dragon and Big Mum. Same thing for the lipstick or her hair as there are other non-related characters who have those too.

On top of that Lola defecting was a huge, unprecedented incident, but somehow no one mentions Bonney? Lola herself also said that she is traveling in the opposite direction, from the New World to the Grand Line. Bonney however comes from South Blue and went to the New World. The only function Big Mum's husbands have, to put it blunt, is being a sperm tank. When she has her children, she ditches them and the children stay with here. So it's kinda weird how Bonney then ended up in South Blue.

Lastly all of Big Mum's children have food-related names, with one exception: Lola. Either Oda didn't had the idea yet at the time he introduced Lola or he wanted to put emphasis on the fact that she was different from her siblings, but it's still worth to note that Bonney doesn't have a food-related name.

Frankly to make this all work you need to formulate far-fetched scenarios.