Most useful female ninja during Pain arc

[GetsugaTenshou]

I don’t even blame Nagato for that.

To make it worse, she was in his village fighting wars while people in konoha laughed and carried on with their lives.

Nagato and the others were starting revolutions to protect their village from wars that the daiymo and great villages caused.

It’s the little villages that suffer the most. Just like in real life.

Right. The Sannin even met them as kids and Jiraiya was the only one who decided to do something for them so they could fend for themselves, not Tsunade.

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Imagine watching both your parents and your friends get killed, growing up an orphan who needs to resort to theft to survive and becoming crippled for life then some Senju princess talks back to you about "wE hAvE All suFFered". Gtfo with that nonsense.

 

[Team7monaa]

Right. The Sannin even met them as kids and Jiraiya was the only one who decided to do something for them so they could fend for themselves, not Tsunade.

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Imagine watching both your parents and your friends get killed, growing up an orphan who needs to resort to theft to survive and becoming crippled for life then some Senju princess talks back to you about "wE hAvE All suffered"

Last time I checked her lover, and her younger brother were brutally killed due to war and she lost one of her closest friends to darkness and the other one was killed by the hands of Nagato himself.
She’s right everyone suffered.

 

[To Whatever]

Last time I checked her lover, and her younger brother were brutally killed due to war and she lost one of her closest friends to darkness and the other one was killed by the hands of Nagato himself.
She’s right everyone suffered.

1. They fought outside their borders.

2. Orochimaru, her brother and Dan were all shinobi and were outside her village or on missions when they died.


Nagato Konan and Yahiko were non combative villagers who were orphaned due to wars being fought in their village. People like Tsunade fighting on their soil.

You can’t compare. Which is exactly why he blew up the village to prove a point.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Last time I checked her lover, and her younger brother were brutally killed due to war and she lost one of her closest friends to darkness and the other one was killed by the hands of Nagato himself.
She’s right everyone suffered.

False equivalence. She suffered as a result of her own village's actions, great for her. Both Nawaki and Dan subscribed to the war, they knew what they were signing up for. Whereas Ame literally had nothing to do with the war and their village was just dragged into it and used as a battleground for the larger villages. Dan and Nawaki were shinobi, Nagato, his parents and his friends were all noncombatants who got dragged into the pointless violence against their will

Moreover, she had no right to talk back to someone who was doing everything he could to change the world while she was going along with the spree of mindless violence without even thinking about the adverse effects the powertrip of the main five villages would have on the lesser ones

 

[To Whatever]

She suffered as a result of her own village's actions, great for her. Both Nawaki and Dan subscribed to the war, they knew what they were signing up for. Whereas Ame literally had nothing to do with the war and their village was just dragged into it and used as a battleground for the larger villages. She had no right to talk back to someone who was doing everything he could to change the world while she was going along with the spree of mindless violence without even thinking about the adverse effects the powertrip of the main five villages would have on the lesser ones

Exactly

 

[To Whatever]

Almost seems like a parallel of the real world where the west fights proxy wars in the middle east.

Pretty much.

Damn shame too.

 

[Melanin]

Tsunade put the lives above of every villager over her own and she saved them simultaneously; almost died doing it too. So she’s forgiven for anything she did or didn’t do privy of Nagato destroying the village, she survived Pains heart check.

 

[Team7monaa]

False equivalence. She suffered as a result of her own village's actions, great for her. Both Nawaki and Dan subscribed to the war, they knew what they were signing up for. Whereas Ame literally had nothing to do with the war and their village was just dragged into it and used as a battleground for the larger villages. Dan and Nawaki were shinobi, Nagato, his parents and his friends were all noncombatants who got dragged into the pointless violence against their will

Moreover, she had no right to talk back to someone who was doing everything he could to change the world while she was going along with the spree of mindless violence without even thinking about the adverse effects the powertrip of the main five villages would have on the lesser ones

Sorry, Nawaki wasn’t killed in war but by a trap set by the enemy during the war period. He didn’t sign up for the war.

Nagato wants an enforced peace that there‘s a 0% chance of lasting. Even Nagato himself has stated that the ultimate weapon of death will be reused time and time again to provide temporary peace. He has given up on humanity and decided that he’s going to show them the same pain that he has had to endure in order to bring a selfish peace to himself and a twisted form of closure.

She had every right to talk back to the same man who was preaching about his pain being” greater than anyone else” whilst wearing the robes of an s-rank criminal group he created, who have murdered hundreds of innocent lives including a ton from Konoha and hunted down 7 jinchuriki who probably have been through hell too and murdered them each one by one.

 

[To Whatever]

Tsunade put the lives above of every villager over her own and she saved them simultaneously; almost died doing it too. So she’s forgiven for anything she did or didn’t do privy of Nagato destroying the village, she survived Pains heart check.

She saved only a few compared to how many died. Did you not see thousands of souls being returned? When Nagato revived everyone? The amount of people she saved isn’t compared to how many she lost due to her own hubris. So that isn’t forgiven.

 

[To Whatever]

Sorry, nawaki wasn’t killed in war but by a trap set by the enemy during the war period. He didn’t sign up for the war. Nagato wants an enforced peace that there‘s a 0% chance of lasting. Even he himself has stated that the ultimate weapon of death will be reused time and time again to provide temporary peace. He has given up on humanity and decided that he’s going to show them the same pain that he has had to endure in order to bring a selfish peace to himself and to himself only. Not to mention he always seems to assume that no one has been through anything close to what he has..

Nawaki was a ninja in war time regardless of how he died.. Like in real life, you sign up to join the military, you’re signing up far war.

The rest of your post is opinionated.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

Sasuke > the rest of the fodderz

 

[Melanin]

She saved only a few compared to how many died. Did you not see thousands of souls being returned? When Nagato revived everyone? The amount of people she saved isn’t compared to how many she lost due to her own hubris. So that isn’t forgiven.

It doesn’t matter how many she saved or didn’t save, the mere fact that she tried to save as many lives as she could even if it meant exhausting herself of strength & chakra deserves a salute. As I said before heart check, Tsunades got the most so yes she is forgiven x2. She could have saved her chat and strength to fight Pain instead of thinking of the helpless people first but she has heart.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Sorry, nawaki wasn’t killed in war

Yes, he was. Oro literally says that he died on the battlefield, in the middle of war and that it's the 'ninja way'

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Nagato wants an enforced peace that there‘s a 0% chance of lasting. Even he himself has stated that the ultimate weapon of death will be reused time and time again to provide temporary peace. He has given up on humanity and decided that he’s going to show them the same pain that he has had to endure in order to bring a selfish peace to himself and to himself only. Not to mention he always seems to assume that no one has been through anything close to what he has..

Nagato's ideals are literally the basis of the current peace though. He was right. The fear of pain caused all the villages to unite and through suffering together at the hands of Madara, Obito and Kabuto, they grew to understand one another. And regardless, he at least thought about the state of the world and decided to do something about it. What did Tsunade or anyone else do? Right, walk into his village and treat the lives of his completely oblivious family and friends as nothing more than collateral damage in their search for political power

 

[Melanin]

False equivalence. She suffered as a result of her own village's actions, great for her. Both Nawaki and Dan subscribed to the war, they knew what they were signing up for. Whereas Ame literally had nothing to do with the war and their village was just dragged into it and used as a battleground for the larger villages. Dan and Nawaki were shinobi, Nagato, his parents and his friends were all noncombatants who got dragged into the pointless violence against their will

Moreover, she had no right to talk back to someone who was doing everything he could to change the world while she was going along with the spree of mindless violence without even thinking about the adverse effects the powertrip of the main five villages would have on the lesser ones

You know it’s very telling that children like Nawaki as a inexperienced Genin that were sent out in the middle of real battles to represent their village and children like Nagato who weren’t Genin but were still children ended up just as dead as the children who were Genin. It just goes to show that the deaths of children or people in general weren't circumstancal and it effected everyone, no matter if you were a ninja or not.

 

[To Whatever]

It doesn’t matter how many she saved or didn’t save, the mere fact that she tried to save as many lives as she could even if it meant exhausting herself of strength & chakra deserves a salute. As I said before heart check, Tsunades got the most so yes she is forgiven x2. She could have saved her chat and strength to fight Pain instead of thinking of the helpless people first but she has heart.

It does matter.

Trying is nothing more than an A for effort. She isn’t forgiven.

Also, She couldn’t fight pain regardless of her saving her strength or not. Tsunade has a heart but she’s foolish for provoking him. It cost lives and money.

 

[Melanin]

It does matter.

Trying is nothing but an A for effort. She isn’t forgiven

It does matter, saving lives or even trying to save lives will always will always matter, no matter how you spin it. Anything you would label as a shortcoming on Tsunade part on dealing with Nagato is forgiven on that notion alone becuase she stopped holding down the fort for her people:

Salute & forgiven.

 

[123fire]

Tsunade was suppose to fight pain but kishimoto’s editor didn’t let him :kk:

 

[Joshutsu]

She saved only a few compared to how many died. Did you not see thousands of souls being returned? When Nagato revived everyone? The amount of people she saved isn’t compared to how many she lost due to her own hubris. So that isn’t forgiven.

She preserved dead bodies which allowed souls to have bodies to return to that were together lol proof being she saved kakashi's corpse in a panel. She still gets props for saving those revived.


OP: Tsunade carried and sadly gets retconned from soloing two paths before Naruto shows up, Sakura backed her up healing in the hospital and taking charge there and then taking her hokage to safety after Naruto brought her.

 

[To Whatever]

It does matter, saving lives or even trying to save lives will always will always matter, no matter how you spin it. Anything you would label as a shortcoming on Tsunade part on dealing with Nagato is forgiven on that notion alone becuase she stopped holding down the fort for her people:

Salute & forgiven.

Nope, she put those lives in danger in the first place.

She gets no forgiveness. You don’t cause someone to destroy and kill to prove a point then try to save face by saying, “b-but I saved some”

 

[To Whatever]

It does matter, saving lives or even trying to save lives will always will always matter, no matter how you spin it. Anything you would label as a shortcoming on Tsunade part on dealing with Nagato is forgiven on that notion alone becuase she stopped holding down the fort for her people:

Salute & forgiven.

Nope, she put those lives in danger in the first place.

She gets no forgiveness