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After being caught molesting his own sisters, (four of them) and thus committing incest, both of which are against his "Bible", he let out an official apology which was this:
Twelve years ago, as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life. I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life. I would do anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions. In my life today, I am so very thankful for God’s grace, mercy and redemption.

His wife also came out in support of him:
And when you, our sweet fans, first met me when Josh asked me to marry him... I was able to say, “Yes” knowing who Josh really is - someone who had gone down a wrong path and had humbled himself before God and those whom he had offended.



And now he's been caught on a website to secretly cheat on his wife, committing adultery, which is yet another sin in his Bible.

Something definitely came into his life, but it wasn’t Christ LMAO

Wonder if Jesus will save him now lmaooo
 
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i love when religious people are pervs lol
 

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Religious people are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen :lol.
 

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After being caught molesting his own sisters, (four of them) and thus committing incest, both of which are against his "Bible", he let out an official apology which was this:


His wife also came out in support of him:



And now he's been caught on a website to secretly cheat on his wife, committing adultery, which is yet another sin in his Bible.

Something definitely came into his life, but it wasn’t Christ LMAO

Wonder if Jesus will save him now lmaooo

I fail to see why you are so giddy over this.

The response to you was essentially written before this even became an issue:



" After admitting to these acts, his parents presented the situation to their church’s leadership, and Josh was sent to a family friend in Little Rock where he spent several months doing physical labor. When he came home, his parents brought him to a state trooper. The trooper talked to the boy, but no arrest was made. A police report was filed, though, and Josh and his sisters received counseling.

The behavior stopped there, and Josh has been upfront about it to anyone who actually needs to know this information. According to his wife, he confessed his past sins to her well before they were married. The family did not, however, announce these details to the world, mostly because there was no conceivable reason to. That is, until someone leaked it to a tabloid, and the whole “scandal” exploded all over the media yesterday.

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They would indeed be correct in their assessment if the central tenet of the Christian faith was that all believers in Christ are without sin or blemish. But far from that being a doctrine of the religion, it is actually the precise opposite of what Christians believe. None of us — not the Duggars, not anyone — claim that a faith in Jesus bestows perfect holiness on the faithful. It is because of our sinful nature that we need Him. When we sin, we do not disprove that thesis; we underscore it.

A Christian failing to live up to his faith does not make him a hypocrite. It makes him cowardly, perhaps. It makes him selfish. It makes him flawed. It makes him sinful. It makes him any number of things, but not necessarily a hypocrite. A hypocrite is an insincere person who misrepresents his own beliefs. But saying that you believe something is wrong, only to turn around and do it, doesn’t prove that you never held that belief. It just proves that you were too weak to stand by it.

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That doesn’t negate or condone anything, but it shows that Christianity does not hide from the sinfulness of man. A Christian understands the depravity of human nature, so when a brother or sister does something depraved, our faith is not shaken. "


Here's their response to this:

Now....

Here's my question:

Do you care that this man cheated on his wife?

No. You're happy about it. You're not really upset at his behavior or heartfelt for his wife and kids, who are having to deal with this issue.

Nor are you concerned about the lives of his sisters who were molested.

These, to you, are all tools to use as weapons against people you disagree with or find to be beneath your supremacy.

When I look at him - I see a damaged and weak individual. I'm not entirely sure what happened - but I do hope that he can correct his behavior, and do believe that if the evidence is that he is not - then he may need to be taken out of scenarios where he can harm others.

These things aren't just against "his bible."

They are against people around him. Abuse is abuse is abuse - period. He's done damage to other people and damage to himself - that is why what he has done is wrong, and why it is "against his Bible."

Frankly, I'd rather have someone in my company who comprehends his or her own weaknesses (even if they fail at guarding against them) than people who attempt to exploit the weaknesses of others. In other words - I'm saying you're playing fiddle to a demon.
 

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I can clearly see your point :bdpf:

Religious People=Hypocrites
Their blind Supporters=Even bigger Hypocrites
 

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*Sigh*... hate when morons give people ammunition to blanketly and ignorantly overgeneralize people of faith. :|

Pretentious bigoted atheists are not far off from racist IMO
 
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I can clearly see your point :bdpf:

Religious People=Hypocrites
Their blind Supporters=Even bigger Hypocrites

Had to do a double-take at your avatar for a moment.

Not quite sure how to take that, to be honest. I guess I could have the Agent Smith perspective on it.

[video=youtube;zyNyHark4xk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyNyHark4xk[/video]
 

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i'm a butthurt little christian with no common sense so i make stupid inferences without using logic to back them up :( holy water tears on my pillowcase

Apparently context is a foreign concept to you. I'm not happy that he cheated on his wife, and I don't find that act in itself comedic either. What I find funny and ironic is that, is that on he cheated on the wife who defended with some form of God involved, which is, ironically, not only an insult to her, but “God”, and to his own beliefs.

He molests one of his sisters, probably prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, then finally molests yet another, and then what does he do? Pray to Jesus. Lmfao.

It's like having some 500 pounded dough-monster preaching to someone else how he needs to get on a diet because they're fat.

This is the sad logic with Christianity. If a person killed dozens of people, but accepted Jesus and God, then went and did it again, but repented and turned back to Jesus, he would be accepted into Heaven, no second thoughts. In the eyes of God he'd be considered more worthy for a bliss after-life than an actual good person with an actual good track record in life.

Meanwhile people who are genuinely good people are going to burn in Hell for all of eternity simply because they don't believe in Jesus, his Jewish son that he apparently loved & let get tortured and killed to compensate for peoples’ sins despite being omni-everything and able to find an alternative. So fatherly and benevolent. What a merciful God.


*Sigh*... hate when morons give people ammunition to blanketly and ignorantly overgeneralize people of faith. :|

Pretentious bigoted atheists are not far off from racist IMO

When you say moron are you referring to yourself? Because that's pretty stupid. Calling an Atheist (which I'm not, but nice assumption), a bigot in defense of Christianity, one of the biggest, most bigoted religions of all, is real cute. And then comparing it to racism...lmao.

Also I have no problem with people of faith, seeing as people of faith extend farther than Christianity ; )
 
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Apparently context is a foreign concept to you. I'm not happy that he cheated on his wife, and I don't find that act in itself comedic either. What I find funny and ironic is that, and I'll underline it so you can understand, is that on he cheated on the wife who defended with some form of God involved, which is, ironically, not only an insult to her, but “God”, and to his beliefs.

He molests one of his sisters, probably prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, then finally molests ANOTHER, and then what does he do? Pray to Jesus. Lmfao.

It's like having some fat ass telletubby-looking 500 pounded dough-monster preaching to someone else how he needs to get on a diet because they're fat.

This is the sad logic with Christianity. If a person killed dozens of people, but accepted Jesus and God, then went and did it again, but repented and turned back to Jesus, he would be accepted into Heaven, no second thoughts. In the eyes of God he'd be considered more worthy for a bliss after-life than an actual good person with an actual good track record in life.

Meanwhile people who are genuinely good people are going to burn in Hell for all of eternity simply because they don't believe in Jesus, his Jewish son that he apparently loved & let get tortured and killed to compensate for peoples’ sins despite being omni-everything and able to find an alternative. So fatherly, so benelovent, so…lovely. What a merciful God you must have.




When you say moron are you referring to yourself? Because that's pretty stupid. Calling an Atheist (which I'm not, but nice assumption), a bigot in defense of Christianity, one of the biggest bigoted religions of all, is real cute. And then comparing it to racism...lmao.

Also I have no problem with people of faith, seeing as people of faith extend farther than Christianity ; )

No one is genuinely good. No one. People are shitty, even the best of us.
Presuming that there is a God, his standards would not be ours. In his eyes we'd all be fallen. If it's not perfect, then it's imperfect, and under the highest standards imperfect is imperfect, regardless of shade.
Second off, if we're talking about the teachings of a King James Version Bible, and not some sect of Christianity (Catholics, Mormons etc) and the other books they follow while claiming that said books are of similar value to the bible, then what you've said isn't true. The Bible teaches that once a person truly repents change will come upon them, which does, regardless of whatever you believe in, make some level of sense as there are many people who, without the compulsion of religion, have set about to make changes in their life with great conviction and have stuck to them. So if someone repents while truly believing what they're saying with the intent of changing and is genuine about it then chances are that they're going to change, with or without divine help. Of course if they're not genuine, are deluded or, as shounen-esque as it sounds having watched Naruto and other anime, are lacking in resolve, then they're obviously gonna go about doing the same old shit as usual.
Of course even if you are serious about it, there's always a chance that you may fall upon hard times and do something that you'll regret. But if you're continuously bouncing between molesting/cheating and repenting, then chances are that you don't mean jack shit of what you're saying.
You're acting like people can't pose, pretend and lie.

Just for the record I'm not a christian, but I was sent to church a lot as a kid. o_O
 

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No one is genuinely good. No one. People are shitty, even the best of us.

Yes. But not everybody murders, steals, rapes. There's a difference between a flawed person and a bad person. But apparently it doesn't matter as long as they accept Jesus.

And of course you were sent to church a lot as a kid. It's basically a cult.
 

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Yes. But not everybody murders, steals, rapes. There's a difference between a flawed person and a bad person. But apparently it doesn't matter as long as they accept Jesus.

And of course you were sent to church a lot as a kid. It's basically a cult.

If believing that there is no God, or that if there is one that he's a sadistic and unjust **** makes you happy then hey, who am I to judge?

And you're right, if you trace back some religious sects to their origins/source then chances are you'll find some pretty scary stuff.
But the King James Bible? I dunno man, even if you're a hardcore atheist I think it's still worth the read as it has some pretty solid teachings imo. Though I haven't read it from front to back myself, so there's no need to take my word for it.
 

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If believing that there is no God, or that if there is one that he's a sadistic and unjust **** makes you happy then hey, who am I to judge?

And you're right, if you trace back some religious sects to their origins/source then chances are you'll find some pretty scary stuff.
But the King James Bible? I dunno man, even if you're a hardcore atheist I think it's still worth the read as it has some pretty solid teachings imo. Though I haven't read it from front to back myself, so there's no need to take my word for it.

If there was one I doubt he'd be sadistic or cruel or any of that.

The Christian interpretation of God is exactly that though. And yes the Bible has good ideas that are worth reading, just like Game of Thrones might have one or two as well. But overall, pretty archaic and immoral ideology.
 

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If there was one I doubt he'd be sadistic or cruel or any of that.

The Christian interpretation of God is exactly that though. And yes the Bible has good ideas that are worth reading, just like Game of Thrones might have one or two as well. But overall, pretty archaic and immoral ideology.

Have you read and analysed it?
If not then piss off, lol. That's just your perception of it based on your current knowledge which could very well be flawed, and nothing you've said thus far convinces me that it isn't.
 

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Have you read and analysed it?
If not then piss off, lol. That's just your perception of it based on your current knowledge which could very well be flawed, and nothing you've said thus far convinces me that it isn't.

Or you can just take your own advice lol. The Old Testament proves God is an immoral, mentally unstable douchebag.
 

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Or you can just take your own advice lol. The Old Testament proves God is an immoral, mentally unstable douchebag.

Fair enough, but I'm not the one making accusations against the Bible lol. Even if I'd read it front to back several times I'd have a hell of a job proving that it's all good and whole. I'd have to go through near enough the entire thing. You on the other hand merely have to back up your claim with a few instances.
 

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No one is genuinely good. No one. People are shitty, even the best of us.

Oh if only all people could be this jejune for eternity; the fight wouldn't even exist. Seriously though, that single statement shows you've lived a sheltered life or are outright inexperienced.

People aren't "shitty"; that's a careless and incorrect piece of conjecture. There are a lot of bad people who do bad things, and there are also a lot of good people who do bad things and vice-versa but there are also wholly good people. Through cultivation and restraint, they live, or become completely "yang".

Don't tar everyone with the same brush; it's infuriating, unintelligent and antiquated to do so.
 
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U got senti over an avatar :lol

Well, considering that's my image - it's a little strange to see someone else use it.

I mean - it's the Internet - more power to you, the more fodder for PRISM, the better, in my opinion - but I just wasn't sure what you were hoping to accomplish, there.

Apparently context is a foreign concept to you. I'm not happy that he cheated on his wife, and I don't find that act in itself comedic either. What I find funny and ironic is that, is that on he cheated on the wife who defended with some form of God involved, which is, ironically, not only an insult to her, but “God”, and to his own beliefs.

Let's put this in context.

A person who has a pattern of sexual behavior problems ends up with his e-mail on a site facilitating and promoting affairs. Instantaneously, the objective is to attack not just religion, but conservatives as a whole.

Meanwhile, that same e-mail leak exposed thousands of government e-mail accounts from employees with security clearance and who accessed these sites from their government computers.

Crickets.

That's the context I see.

He molests one of his sisters, probably prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, molests another, prays to Jesus, then finally molests yet another, and then what does he do? Pray to Jesus. Lmfao.

Why are you laughing about that?

It's like having some 500 pounded dough-monster preaching to someone else how he needs to get on a diet because they're fat.

Where has Josh Duggar stated that he is A) free of flaw and B) derided others for their flaws?

Let's say I am fat and I am telling you that I am concerned about your unhealthy eating choices. Does the fact that I am also fat have anything to do with the legitimacy of my concern for you or the assessment that you are being unhealthy?

If I am skinny, can I then turn around and lecture you for being fat?

While no one is perfect in behavior and demeanor, Christians are generally accepting of the idea that human beings are imperfect and that even those who seek improvement are flawed in their own right.

This is the sad logic with Christianity. If a person killed dozens of people, but accepted Jesus and God, then went and did it again, but repented and turned back to Jesus, he would be accepted into Heaven, no second thoughts. In the eyes of God he'd be considered more worthy for a bliss after-life than an actual good person with an actual good track record in life.

That's not really how it works. That may be how some people -want- to believe it works, but you will not find much comprehensive scriptural support for that idea. In fact, Matthew 23 is pretty much Jesus' answer to people who think this way.

Generally, Christians are to reserve ultimate judgment to God. We don't get to decide who goes to heaven/hell/etc.

I, also, fall closer to the scriptural interpretation advanced by the Jehova's Witness, oddly enough, after my own independent study and analysis. Jehova's Witness do not believe Jesus claimed to be God and they generally reject the notion of the Trinity (an idea largely advanced by Paul).

I also challenge the notion that 'accepting Jesus' is part of the requirements for heaven. Jesus was the Messiah, to be sure, but he was not a replacement for God and he was not meant to be a sacrificial stand-in. He was meant to be a canary in the coal mine. He was put to death because of corruption within the religious establishment which collaborated with the much-despised Roman government to execute a political enemy. Thus, the 'shroud of the temple' was torn and the Jewish establishment forever undermined.

Again - Matthew 23 is a key chapter to read if one is to understand what it was Jesus came to 'save us' from. He wasn't meant to be a personal savior in the sense he has been made into.

But if you remove the personal salvation of Jesus - you essentially have Judaic Anarchy, and early Christians had to distinguish themselves in some manner.

Meanwhile people who are genuinely good people are going to burn in Hell for all of eternity simply because they don't believe in Jesus, his Jewish son that he apparently loved & let get tortured and killed to compensate for peoples’ sins despite being omni-everything and able to find an alternative. So fatherly and benevolent. What a merciful God.

You are speaking as if you are presenting me with some kind of argument.

In order to put your reading comprehension to use, you must first read, young one.

You've simply read what people say about the Bible, and never actually sat down and read it. I don't mean reading an excerpt here and there - I mean actually sit down and read from it.

You assume.

I'll make this simple. I am a Christian who does not believe Jesus died for our sins. Find me the story in the Bible that supports your assertion that Jesus did die because of my sins.

Bakame - if you're listening in, that's also your cue. I spent a long time last night writing a response to your post on that thread last night only to find the thread deleted when I went to post.

When you say moron are you referring to yourself? Because that's pretty stupid. Calling an Atheist (which I'm not, but nice assumption), a bigot in defense of Christianity, one of the biggest, most bigoted religions of all, is real cute. And then comparing it to racism...lmao.

Generally speaking, the people who like to reserve the right to applying the "bigot" label are, themselves, incapable of comprehending the irony of the situation.

Also I have no problem with people of faith, seeing as people of faith extend farther than Christianity ; )

Well, yes, I'm sure you are down with purchasing **** toys from the local market.
 
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