Moon's eye plan

[synkross]

Alright, i wanted to make this thread to hear the opinions on this matter.

1st off, by now it is clear that Obito is sincere to his goal and if he gets to complete the plan then he will make everyone's wishes come true......(i don't really trust Madara on this, he might just make himself king or something lolz)

Now, from Obito's prespective he wants to achieve heaven(Dream world) and take everyone to heaven with him.
a world of winners and all, where everyone will be happy.....
Ok, here naruto and others disagreed with him because they said that it will be a fake happiness and not reality cuz true happiness is meaningful only if achieved in real world.

Now, i don't see this logic(maybe i'm wrong) but..how do you define reality?
as Itachi said,'Reality is only what you believe to be true and real'.....you can also say that it's a feeling.
like if you are in a dream....you feel it as the reality untill you wake up, only then you can differentiate between dream and reality, but what if you never wake up?

yes, then that dream will be your reality....e.g that is what was shown in Matrix, if Anderson never knew about it he would just have been living happily in what he considers reality.

i think you get my point, so how can Naruto and the others say it won't be real if they never know and the jutsu ends only in their death. they would just be living happily without knowing that they are in a dream cuz they'll never wake up.

Now, you may say that this happiness won't be real but happiness is only a feeling and has nothing to do with reality.
if they can get that feeling in the dream world for the rest of their lives then what's the problem??

Well, that is all i have to say.....i'll be glad to hear your thoughts on this.

Oh and i'm just talking about the anime lolz don't flame me by saying that drugs also make you fly but kill you .....i'm just talking about the scenerio in anime

 

[uchihamad]

I think Naruto wanted to full fill his dreams with his own effort not with the help of illusion.Thats why he can't agree with Obito

 

[mimihigurashi]

You're a rare fellow. Few people realize that no one is in any position to define reality. For all we know, we might be living in a dream and when we die we'll be like "Whoa, that was my life?" and wake up in another dimension or something we like to call afterlife. I don't wanna get all philosophical and sh*t because most people are extremely closed minded and throw off anything that their minds cannot accept the possibility of as bullsh*t. We think that reality is this limited physical world but you never know.
Then again, this is just an anime so they can say and do whatever Kishimoto wants.

 

[Paintry4]

Moon's eye plan is nothing but the plans that fools create.how can i people just wanna live in dream? No any feelings, no any self respect, the better will get even worse.

 

[UchihaKIng1256]

like the whole matrix reference but yea naruto would want to do all that on his own

 

[Pewpawn]

Obito plan , and your interpretation of it seems legit.But i would acsept it only if Obito didnt killed so many ppl just to achieve his goal :S

 

[mricytreats]

Obito is diluted by Madara will. Obito do have a chance to say Rin isnt worth these lives but hes been. Brainwashed to think infinite tsukuyomi is a paradise where everything he wanted is real... in this genjitsu everything is manipulated so who knows if Madara will is as sincere. As Obito

 

[Elbichiz]

Well, you are somewhat right you know...your explanation of reality is convincing, but there is no justice in obito's plan because he (obito) and madara won't be under the illusion, so will be like Gods, which sounds selfish

 

[Pewpawn]

Well, you are somewhat right you know...your explanation of reality is convincing, but there is no justice in obito's plan because he (obito) and madara won't be under the illusion, so will be like Gods, which sounds selfish

Ummmm i think Obito wants to be in genjitsu to, and allow Madara to control everything.

 

[dirklyn]

Obito is a good boy

 

[Kurama999]

Moon's eye plan!!
This so-called plan is Madara's plan. Good or bad, yet unknown.
Obito accepted the plan with only one thing he had in his mind. To be with Rin, and only for him, that's all.
Madara using what Obito want. Madara (added some sweet words) to Obito about the plan.
In reality or not, it will be questionable.
Look at this way.

Go and watch the latest move: "Road to..."
-- The movie is all about Madara' plan and to show Obito that he is a good man (God, was used by Nagato).

But Madara may have a hidden agenda. Getting everyone to fight everyone. Why? He hate to lose. But when he lost to the 1st Hokage, nobody care about him anymore. LOSER.
Nobody like to a loser, especially. See some of the thread where nobody want to lose in argument...

Next issue.
The movie was Kishi's story about what will to happen if the Shinobi Alliance failed.
Why do Kishi be involved in this Movie......................................

 

[Vegeta]

They say the world does not exist outside of your own mind. Things you see are merely light being refracted and turned into an electrical impulse for your brain to decipher. Everything is signals and impulses. They might be right. They also say, thinking about something happening to you creates the same biological recation in your body as actually having it happen. Reality is a blurry line. They might just be better off in the Tsyukiyomi lol

 

[Senpai1507]

Naruto was shocked when Obito told him he'll make him Hokage in his genjutsu because he wanted to achieve it on his own not with some genjutsu.