Space time is NOT speed!!! Movement is speed! Tobi, minato and 3rd raikage is not faster than itachiSo how fast is itachi compared to other fast characters?
Counting space time
1, tobi
2, minato
3, naruto
4, raikage
5, v2 bee
6, gated gai
7, 3rd raikage
8, itachi???
You forgot an immobile nagato was able to get behind bee also.Nice thread, nice analysis, but there are many things i don't agree with.
Itachi is a very fast ninja, but it seems that when it comes to wanking, there is no limit. Saying that he is above A in V1 is just ridiculous. Just saying they are equal in V1 is ridiculous enough. At least when you hype a character try not to forget about panels and thus ridiculously make look the opponent like a fodder. It's easy for me to show panels of characters i like and begin to wank them, but what is funny is that you cut panels you like on pages and forget the rest and create some explanations to wank the character which are not always the truth.
I will just take one example. Itachi blitz Bee? Did you even take into consideration the fact that Bee was not even paying attention earlier? He was talking to Naruto about suppodely friends who became foes because of Kabuto(controlling them)
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The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention. You say it yourself. Nagato and Naruto are sensor. Bee isn't and he was talking to Naruto. Itachi on the other hand was closing the distance with them meanwhile. So obviously Bee who isn't a sensor and didn't closely pay attention only noticed it at the end. Naruto already knew though probably because of his negativ sensing ability or simply because he was paying attention enough
Did you take into consideration the fact that they were not simply fighting seriously because they wanted to discuss?(both Naruto and Itachi said that):Obviously notYou must be registered for see images
Furthermore, at the same moment, you say that Bee has a !? and that means he was blitzed by Itachi? Then i guess Itachi was blitzed by Sasuke at this moment then:You must be registered for see images
There is many failures in your threads, but i will just give some examples of blitzing since you think that Itachi is the only character in the manga who can use shunshin no jutsu and close distances
You say only Gai has shown a similar speed? What about Kakashi then at the start of the series?You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
What about Sasuke? Here:You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
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What about Kakashi? Here Kakashi wasn't even there from the start but he instantly appeared behind Obito who can say nothing else than "you're fast"You must be registered for see images
Or here, Kakashi and Gai appeared instantly at the moment he was about to touch Naruto:You must be registered for see images
What is even impressiv in this feat is that Tobi was covering the distance before(so moving), but they(Kakashi and Gai) appeared instantly when before at this perimeter we don't see them at allYou must be registered for see images
Bee covered an insane distance in an instant here. He totally blitzed all taka when he was paralysed an instant earlier and Juugo was about to beat him. An instant earlier he was near mountains. He blitzed them so bad that they needed karin(a sensor) to localise him:You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
I won't even bother to show pics of top tiers in speed like A, Naruto add Minato because their feats and hype talk for themselves. A even in base was noted to be too fast Zetsu to react, so i find it really funny when you say Itachi is above his level in V1. I wonder sometimes if people read this manga correctly or just read or look characters that interest them and forget the rest?
There are many other examples, but i think all this is enough to make you realise that Itachi is not the only character who can use shunshin no jutsu(apparently you think he is) and that i can show you many character who managed to cover greater distance than Itachi did in an instant if i wanted
Now talking about his speed, it's funny that when you wank Itachi and downgrade Bee purposely, you forget this page where Itachi was completely dominated by Bee and forced to retreat:You must be registered for see images
Excuses apart, Kakashi was keeping up with his speed just fine:You must be registered for see images
Excuses apart, Itachi didn't even notice the chidori-shuriken and thus wasn't able to dodge it completely in time:You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
Itachi was cut in half without reaction:You must be registered for see images
In these examples i obviously exaggerated but it's to show you how easy it's to wank or de-wank a character by giving sentences we like and forgetting others.
So all that to say that eventhough Itachi is probably one of the fastest characters in the manga(top10 at least), A even in V1 is faster than him.
This is my top in terms of speed(obviously not saying it's the truth, i may forget some):
1- Minato
2- Naruto
3- 4th Raikage
4- Bee
5- 3rd Raikage
6- Gated Gai
7- Gated Lee
8- Obito
9- Itachi
10- Kakashi/Sasuke
I will just take one example. Itachi blitz Bee? Did you even take into consideration the fact that Bee was not even paying attention earlier? He was talking to Naruto about suppodely friends who became foes because of Kabuto(controlling them)
The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention.
Obviously not
Furthermore, at the same moment, you say that Bee has a !? and that means he was blitzed by Itachi?
Then i guess Itachi was blitzed by Sasuke at this moment then:
You say only Gai has shown a similar speed? What about Kakashi then at the start of the series?
Or here, Kakashi and Gai appeared instantly at the moment he was about to touch Naruto:
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Itachi was cut in half without reaction:
Shouldv'e gone onto the next page, it explains it well.
Anyway ill show you something impressive.
^^^. I know that is reaction speed ill explain it abit.
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Sasuke could see lee's movements with the 2 tomoe, note that. But he didnt have the reaction speed to block/evade it.
Against naruto, he had the 2 tomoe, but this time his sharingan couldn't even track the movement. [You must be registered for see links[/URL]
In other word's kyuubi naruto speed is greater than lee with weights.
Sasuke now awakens the last tomoe, the 3 tomoe sharingan and now he can read naruto's speed fully [You must be registered for see links[/URL][/URL]
Sasuke trained before his fight against Gaara and improved his speed to match lee without weights. Add the 3 tomoe sharingan to it and he reads the naruto's movements and counter attacks with ease. If he still had the same movement as when he faced gai's the 3 tomoe sharingan is pointless, he can see it but he cannot react.
3 tomoe > 2 tomoe;
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This is where it gets interesting.
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The one on the far left is Yashiro Uchiha, 45 of the konoha police force.
Tekka Uchiha, the one in the middle is 21, of the konoha police formce
Far right is Inabi Uchiha, 25, of the konoha police force.
All 3 weilded the 3 tomoe sharingan and going by the age id say they had mastery of it, but also with their achievements to gain approval to join the police force, id like to think they were fairly good. Nothing short of jonins imo.
3 tomoe sharingans + konoha police force should mean that you can read taijutsu, but also your reaction time shouldn't be too bad.
But that isn't the case.
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It comes down to two things. Whether the sharingan read itachi's movements but they lacked the reaction time due to body movement. Or they couldn't track itachi's movements even with the 3 tomoe sharingan at all to counter.
To defeat 3 uchiha's with fully matured sharingans is a testament of speed and taijutsu skill.
Forgot to add, at the age of 12. My boy is too good.
Itachi > your favourite character at what they are good at
Originally Posted by warlee
So how fast is itachi compared to other fast characters?
Counting space time
1, tobi
2, minato
3, naruto
4, raikage
5, v2 bee
6, gated gai
7, 3rd raikage
8, itachi???
can it be said his pure body flicker is comparable to at least v1 normal speed?One of the fastest characters imo, but not faster than v1 Ay, probably close.
I'm not really sure about it, but remember that v1 Ay kept up with KM Naruto in foot speed. Itachi imo can't do that, but his Shunshin no jutsu is very fast nonetheless.can it be said his pure body flicker is comparable to at least v1 normal speed?
Nagato did blast bee away first, and when you're mid air, your speed is basically at one constant levelEven Nagato blitzed Bee. Nagato. And with a limitless chakra supply, he (Itachi) doesn't need to consider the consequences of spamming Shunshins, which in some cases, use up a considerable amount of chakra.
The fact that we see Bee talking to Naruto already shows he wasn't paying attention. The fact that Nagato has even time to say heads up, the fact he prevents them shows that they were not paying attention.They were actually paying attention, at least bee was, Itachi attacked and be countered with sucking up the fire with samehada...naruto was talking at this time... It was then Bee who told naruto that someone else is controlling them..
added to the fact that bee is literally facing the two of them in a STRAIGHT line, there is no way he couldn't have itachi in his line of sight
Not blitz but proof that Bee is fasterWhat part of that is a blitz? unlike Sasuke who got slaughtered by that same attack, Itachi sucessfully retreated backwards from Bee's consecutive swordplay attacks , tell me where are you seeing someone outdoing another in speed
The same poor excuse when talking about Itachi. The fact he wasn't going all out has nothing to do with it. The exclamation mark is to show that Itachi didn't notice it in time. Or you want to tell me that he purposely faked his expression and purposely didn't notice it in time? Obviously not. So i guess he was blitzed right?Right because Itachi was going all out in this fight?
You wank Itachi by showing the distances he was able to cover in an instant. The distance you can cover in an instant has nothing to do with the level of opponentThere was a reason I said gai's feat paled in comparison, if you read it was because he used it against a bunch of 12 year olds with the reflexes of chickens, The same with kakashi there.....Bee is someone who has high reflexes and definitely a 5 in speed... if you are capable of doing such a thing to a ninja of that level in battle
I just showed a pic where we could see the entire battlefield and neither Kakashi and Gai were around at that moment. It's obvious since if they were around they would have been caught by Hachibi's technique. So the distance they covered in an instant was indeed impressiv especially when like i've said, Obito is the one who started to close the distanceRight there it's stated they used Naruto as Bait, you don't know how close they were in that fight and when they decided to simply take that moment to come in....
I just showed a pic where Kakashi directly appeared behind Tobi when he wasn't even there from the start, unless you think Obito(one of the fastest ninja in the manga) is not on Bee's level? Gai also blitzed Kisame in gates, unless you think Kisame is not on Bee's level?What you're arguing is something I never disputed, Kakashi is fast.. his 4.5 has been given praise on numerous ocassions.. Gai is faster I also said he was.. both shinobi's are capable of using shunshin , but neither have feats at the same sheer distance and on a level of opponent like bee
It still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't able to dodge that shuriken, which shows that his speed at that moment was not enough to dodge. Furthermore, like i've said i've exaggerated it purposely only to show you how it's easy for me to de-wank Itachi if i wanted like you wank him actually without taking into consideration details in manga or simply ignore themWhat in the world does noticing have to do with speed? this is a speed thread...We see kishi on the page after he gets hit shows his blurred eyes so we know why he got hit
I just hope you could show me the pic where he said that because i don't remember Itachi said something even similar to what you have just saidNow read two or so scans later and you see Itachi tell Kabuto he let him hit him as it doesn't matter, since has regenerative properties now
Not even comparable. I can't even believe some people think they are comparable. In base, he moved so fast that Zetsu wasn't able to react and said he wascan it be said his pure body flicker is comparable to at least v1 normal speed?
It doesn't matter if Bee was mid-air, Nagato moved from Naruto's line of sight and appeared behind Bee in a matter of moments, with the latter showing clear amazement at the feat with the use of an exclamation mark. You're saying that if you are mid-air your speed is at a constant level, yet that is obviously the case for people standing still aswell, as was seen when you posted the page of Itachi appearing behind Bee. Bee's speed was 0. There's not really any difference, so that isn't really a factor.Nagato did blast bee away first, and when you're mid air, your speed is basically at one constant level
It wasn't really a blitz , the entire terrain was being destroyed and bee really didn't know where nagato was, then he appeared behind him
different to say ninja standing at spot A, ninja standing at spot B, and the ninja at A magically appears behind spot b ninja with no trace
he really wasn't tryin to kill seauke he could had killrd him in minutesWell you have to remember a few things, Itachi was never really trying in that fight, he just needed to push sasuke to a limit to make oro come out... Remember he had to make the fight look real, so taking a few hits i don't see why he wouldn't..
also , he was going blind, what happened in that encounter was there was a hidden shruiken in the attack which is why in the same scan kishi showed his eyesight
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Black zetsu thinks the same thing, Itachi was definitely supposed to be able to avoid that attack
once again the most likely scenario is that he wasn't trying
Naruto said I know, naruto knew where he was at.. since when is talking not paying attention? many times in the manga ninjas have been talking while fighting... talking but still looking right at the person? I don't see what part of that is non eye contactThe fact that we see Bee talking to Naruto already shows he wasn't paying attention. The fact that Nagato has even time to say heads up, the fact he prevents them shows that they were not paying attention.
Has Itachi already shown to be able to overwhelm fast and powerful characters like Madara that rapidely with his speed in this manga?
I said Itachi's shunshin is comparable to that of v1 raikage's normal speed, not that his speed is comparable to v1 raikage...Everytime Itachi uses shunshin , whether on kakashi, kabuto, he instantly(manga wise ) appears at the person he's fighting, basically similar to what v1 raikage does all the time , similar to what happened to zetsu
I just hope you could show me the pic where he said that because i don't remember Itachi said something even similar to what you have just said
Do realize that entire fight was faked, and planned how itachi wanted it, - tobi'sThe exclamation mark is to show that Itachi didn't notice it in time.
And isn't it also possible that as obito started closing the distance that they did as well? they WERE around, since they used him as bait.. meaning when he starting coming in to warp naruto they went for the strike...I just showed a pic where we could see the entire battlefield and neither Kakashi and Gai were around at that moment. It's obvious since if they were around they would have been caught by Hachibi's technique. So the distance they covered in an instant was indeed impressiv especially when like i've said, Obito is the one who started to close the distance
You're bringing up scenes in no way relevant to the topic.. how does Itachi not seeing the shruiken, which has to do with his blindness, have to do with his speed? he dodged the first one or two, my tossing himself mid air.. As kaakshi said to naruto a long time ago, when your'e mid air, you can't do much, can't change you position, , move etc... there was nothing he could do once he missed the shruiken.. that's a matter of eyesight not speedt still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't able to dodge that shuriken, which shows that his speed at that moment was not enough to dodge. Furthermore, like i've said i've exaggerated it purposely only to show you how it's easy for me to de-wank Itachi if i wanted like you wank him actually without taking into consideration details in manga or simply ignore them
Do realize when I meant bee's level I meant reflexes and speed.. Tobi was never blitzed in any way or form.. he did the same thing to sasuke when sasuke attempted to shunshin slash him.. he said he was fast but still managed to use his s/t justu...I just showed a pic where Kakashi directly appeared behind Tobi when he wasn't even there from the start, unless you think Obito(one of the fastest ninja in the manga) is not on Bee's level? Gai also blitzed Kisame in gates, unless you think Kisame is not on Bee's level?
You must misunderstand my entire point, I acknowledged the speed of others in my thead, gai, kakashi, sasuke etc, I ackowledge that the databook says sasuke has "godlike" speedyou think that Itachi is the only character in the manga who can use shunshin no jutsu and close distances
How long was bee travelling mid air in that blast for? he got blown away , we don't know at what point nagato started moving towards beet doesn't matter if Bee was mid-air, Nagato moved from Naruto's line of sight and appeared behind Bee in a matter of moments, with the latter showing clear amazement at the feat with the use of an exclamation mark. You're saying that if you are mid-air your speed is at a constant level, yet that is obviously the case for people standing still aswell, as was seen when you posted the page of Itachi appearing behind Bee. Bee's speed was 0. There's not really any difference, so that isn't really a factor.
It doesn't really matter at what moment Nagato began moving towards Bee. The point is, his sudden movement totally bamboozled the Jinchūriki, and that's pretty much the definition of a blitz. Had Bee not been conditioned by Itachi's earlier movements, he would've probably been finished by another Shinra Tensei - that's why he mentioned that he hadn't lost his cool that time.How long was bee travelling mid air in that blast for? he got blown away , we don't know at what point nagato started moving towards bee
Where have i said that talking always means not paying attention? It's you who don't understand the context here. They were not even fighting to begin with? Bee was still explaining why Edos were attacking him, he was explaining it to someone alongside with him. At the same time, Itachi who was facing them just covered the distance meanwhile. The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention. How is it difficult for you to understand that?Naruto said I know, naruto knew where he was at.. since when is talking not paying attention? many times in the manga ninjas have been talking while fighting... talking but still looking right at the person? I don't see what part of that is non eye contact
Of course, the same poor excuse, trying to make us believe that Itachi planned everything that happened in that fight even kirinDo realize that entire fight was faked, and planned how itachi wanted it, - tobi's
Maybe, but the way i saw it, it seems that they just appeared, which really looks like a shunshin no jutsuAnd isn't it also possible that as obito started closing the distance that they did as well? they WERE around, since they used him as bait.. meaning when he starting coming in to warp naruto they went for the strike...
It's not irrelevant since it shows that Itachi wasn't fast enough to dodge the shuriken at that moment. It's only that because it's de-wanking Itachi, you create excuses. Anyway concerning the mid air thing, it's irrelevant because we've already seen many characters able to dodge things point blank even in mid air. Kakashi especially has one of the most if not the most impressiv dodging speed concerning such a thing in the manga and that was in mid air when pressured by Hidan:You're bringing up scenes in no way relevant to the topic.. how does Itachi not seeing the shruiken, which has to do with his blindness, have to do with his speed? he dodged the first one or two, my tossing himself mid air.. As kaakshi said to naruto a long time ago, when your'e mid air, you can't do much, can't change you position, , move etc... there was nothing he could do once he missed the shruiken.. that's a matter of eyesight not speed
The same way you say that Tobi said he was fast but was never blitzed, Bee who wasn't paying attention from the start also noticed Itachi at the last second but was never blitzed.Do realize when I meant bee's level I meant reflexes and speed.. Tobi was never blitzed in any way or form.. he did the same thing to sasuke when sasuke attempted to shunshin slash him.. he said he was fast but still managed to use his s/t justu...
Lol, not sure if serious. Like i've mentioned before, if i wanted i could show feats from characters that exceeds all what you show in this thread concerning Itachi. It's only that the wank of Itachi is so strong that it makes you fail to realise basic things that could easily be noticeable. I've already showed the pics where Bee totally blitzed all Taka in an instant covering a distance that Itachi has never shown to be capable of in this manga in an instant, travelling to go and stay near mountains when Taka is still checking him in an instant.You must misunderstand my entire point, I acknowledged the speed of others in my thead, gai, kakashi, sasuke etc, I ackowledge that the databook says sasuke has "godlike" speed
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Which is getting back a few meters away in such a short time, the enemy hasn't even altered their body positions from their last attacks
If only he were healthy when he was alive. His Edo is a prime example.Despite the title this thread is very serious, no troll here,
I'm just going to do a quick analysis on just how fast Uchiha Itachi is....because i'm bored and have nothing better to doYou must be registered for see images
To start off, You should know that Itachi was given a 5 , in speed in the databooks.. Meaning him and Gai are the only individuals in the databook with maxed out speed
But having just a 5 is vague and really doesn't give a good explanation of just how fast this man is..
To put it into perspective..All the 5 shows is he is faster than Sasuke and Kakashi...a good feat since both have been praised in the manga for their speed..But what If I was to say he's much faster than you probably think?
Commence wank!
The first thing I'd like to bring up is this-
Firstly take note of the Distance between Bee/Naruto and Nagato/Itachi
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Two important things about this... Naruto is A sensor and not just a normal kind, he detected itachi's intent before anyone else..
Killer bee on the other hand, completely didn't see itachi, and only realized once warned..hence the bolded "!?" meant to put emphasis on the situation...
For the 2nd speed feat , Once again take note of the distance between the 2 teams of individuals and once again see Itachi once again shunshin blitz killer bee, someone who HAS fought against v1 raikage a few times
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Sasuke and his 4.5 in speed who was stated by tobi and deidara to be fast didn't even come close to doing such things in their fight... If Itachi can easily shunshin behind bee, and didn't tell him he was behind him you can imagine what would have happened...
Noone has done this to killerbee in this manga before, not even Minato...infact, killerbee had no problem fighting Body Flicker and was predicting Minato's movements..
So far the only other individual in the manga that has shown to pull off such effective shunshin burst speeds was Minato ..
Gai has shown a feat similar only once,
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But since what Gai did wasn't nearly the same distance and it was used against 12 year olds, the feat kind of pales in comparison..
But lets continue
Another very impressive speed feat of Itachi's + an additional dodging/senses/reflexes feat, is this scan
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All fine and dandy, but that's not what's important here.. what's important is this scanDon't see it? Not looking hard enough...You must be registered for see images
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After attacking, Bee and Naruto are in the SAME spot, same position, bee is still facing backwards and in the same manner from his missed attack..
YET
Itachi has made his way across the battlefield and over to nagato in ONLY SECONDS...
He can move incredible distances in the period of time it takes a ninja to even move their arm properly..
Enough of friken solo king, start calling this guy Shunshin KingYou must be registered for see images
We have more..
Itachi has shown that he is capable of blitzing Sasuke, a ninja who pretty much mastered 3tomoe at that time, which pretty much gives the person precognition abilities to better see such things..
He's shown that he can Clone feint shunshin blitz a Sennin Mode user (DSM kabuto) Which is a feat for both his speed and Handseal speed..
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Even with heightened sensing abilities, he is still unable to properly track itachi's jutsu execution and shunshin
Additional notable feats-
Blitzing defeating those three mature Uchiha members as a teenager before they could even do anything was impressive as they were members of the Police Force...People who Sasuke seemed to hold in hire regard when he said There was no way itachi could solo them all alone..
Clone shunshin blitzing Kurenai, once again a feat displaying his handseal speed and foot speed
Just some more perspective
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The character Databook uses godlike as a hyperbole to explain Sasuke's speed.
Conclusion-
If I were to try put Itachi's speed somewhere ...It would be somewhere above V1 raikage, but definitely below v2. Itachi's speed and reflexes make his shunshin INCREDIBLY dangerous..
I do believe Itachi was DEFINITELY taught by shishui...
His entire persona and arsenal, are practically mimics of Shishui's...
-Shishui was known worldwide as Shishui of the BodyFlicker
And as being the best genjtusu user of the Uchiha,,
Two things Itachi pretty much excel in....Shishui was older than Itachi and it was stated itachi saw him as an elder brother..
Without a doubt shishui and him trained together
It really impels the question on just how fast Shishui of the Bodyflicker was, or how he utilized it.. to be known for it worldwide... A moniker on the level of the late Yellow Flash..must have been a sight to behold