Monthly Itachi Wank thread- Speed Analysis
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I agree that Itachi was taught by Shishui. that said, Itachi's use of ms and shunshin was on a whole other level when he was edo tensei than when he was alive, probably because his stamina isnt so great and he had to be more careful how to use them when he was alive. also, kishi is very inconsistent with speed, madara and obito's sharingan shouldnt even be able to keep up with naruto's speed atm, yet they're doing so easily. meaning that kishi is devaluing his and bee's speed to keep the battle in check
Nice thread, nice analysis, but there are many things i don't agree with.
Itachi is a very fast ninja, but it seems that when it comes to wanking, there is no limit. Saying that he is above A in V1 is just ridiculous. Just saying they are equal in V1 is ridiculous enough. At least when you hype a character try not to forget about panels and thus ridiculously make look the opponent like a fodder. It's easy for me to show panels of characters i like and begin to wank them, but what is funny is that you cut panels you like on pages and forget the rest and create some explanations to wank the character which are not always the truth.
I will just take one example. Itachi blitz Bee? Did you even take into consideration the fact that Bee was not even paying attention earlier? He was talking to Naruto about suppodely friends who became foes because of Kabuto(controlling them)
The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention. You say it yourself. Nagato and Naruto are sensor. Bee isn't and he was talking to Naruto. Itachi on the other hand was closing the distance with them meanwhile. So obviously Bee who isn't a sensor and didn't closely pay attention only noticed it at the end. Naruto already knew though probably because of his negativ sensing ability or simply because he was paying attention enough
Did you take into consideration the fact that they were not simply fighting seriously because they wanted to discuss?(both Naruto and Itachi said that):
Obviously not
Furthermore, at the same moment, you say that Bee has a !? and that means he was blitzed by Itachi? Then i guess Itachi was blitzed by Sasuke at this moment then:
There is many failures in your threads, but i will just give some examples of blitzing since you think that Itachi is the only character in the manga who can use shunshin no jutsu and close distances
You say only Gai has shown a similar speed? What about Kakashi then at the start of the series?
What about Sasuke? Here:
And here:
What about Kakashi? Here Kakashi wasn't even there from the start but he instantly appeared behind Obito who can say nothing else than "you're fast"
Or here, Kakashi and Gai appeared instantly at the moment he was about to touch Naruto:
What is even impressiv in this feat is that
Bee covered an insane distance in an instant here. He totally blitzed all taka when he was paralysed an instant earlier and Juugo was about to beat him. An instant earlier he was near mountains. He blitzed them so bad that they needed karin(a sensor) to localise him:
I won't even bother to show pics of top tiers in speed like A, Naruto add Minato because their feats and hype talk for themselves. Minato shunshin'd thru an entire village in an instant and blitzed Kyubi. A even in base was noted to be too fast Zetsu to react, so i find it really funny when you say Itachi is above his level in V1. I wonder sometimes if people read this manga correctly or just read or look characters that interest them and forget the rest?
There are many other examples, but i think all this is enough to make you realise that Itachi is not the only character who can use shunshin no jutsu(apparently you think he is) and that i can show you many character who managed to cover greater distance than Itachi did in an instant if i wanted
Now talking about his speed, it's funny that when you wank Itachi and downgrade Bee purposely, you forget this page where Itachi was completely dominated by Bee and forced to retreat:
Excuses apart, Kakashi was keeping up with his speed just fine:
Excuses apart, Itachi didn't even notice the chidori-shuriken and thus wasn't able to dodge it completely in time:
Itachi was cut in half without reaction:
In these examples i obviously exaggerated but it's to show you how easy it's to wank or de-wank a character by giving sentences we like and forgetting others.
So all that to say that eventhough Itachi is probably one of the fastest characters in the manga(top10 at least), A even in V1 is faster than him.
This is my top in terms of speed(obviously not saying it's the truth, i may forget some):
1- Minato
2- Naruto
3- 4th Raikage
4- Bee
5- 3rd Raikage
6- Gated Gai
7- Gated Lee
8- Obito
9- Itachi
10- Kakashi/Sasuke
Itachi is a very fast ninja, but it seems that when it comes to wanking, there is no limit. Saying that he is above A in V1 is just ridiculous. Just saying they are equal in V1 is ridiculous enough. At least when you hype a character try not to forget about panels and thus ridiculously make look the opponent like a fodder. It's easy for me to show panels of characters i like and begin to wank them, but what is funny is that you cut panels you like on pages and forget the rest and create some explanations to wank the character which are not always the truth.
I will just take one example. Itachi blitz Bee? Did you even take into consideration the fact that Bee was not even paying attention earlier? He was talking to Naruto about suppodely friends who became foes because of Kabuto(controlling them)
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The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention. You say it yourself. Nagato and Naruto are sensor. Bee isn't and he was talking to Naruto. Itachi on the other hand was closing the distance with them meanwhile. So obviously Bee who isn't a sensor and didn't closely pay attention only noticed it at the end. Naruto already knew though probably because of his negativ sensing ability or simply because he was paying attention enough
Did you take into consideration the fact that they were not simply fighting seriously because they wanted to discuss?(both Naruto and Itachi said that):
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Furthermore, at the same moment, you say that Bee has a !? and that means he was blitzed by Itachi? Then i guess Itachi was blitzed by Sasuke at this moment then:
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There is many failures in your threads, but i will just give some examples of blitzing since you think that Itachi is the only character in the manga who can use shunshin no jutsu and close distances
You say only Gai has shown a similar speed? What about Kakashi then at the start of the series?
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What about Sasuke? Here:
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And here:
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What about Kakashi? Here Kakashi wasn't even there from the start but he instantly appeared behind Obito who can say nothing else than "you're fast"
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Or here, Kakashi and Gai appeared instantly at the moment he was about to touch Naruto:
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What is even impressiv in this feat is that
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before(so moving), but they(Kakashi and Gai) appeared instantly when before at this perimeter we don't see them at all
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Bee covered an insane distance in an instant here. He totally blitzed all taka when he was paralysed an instant earlier and Juugo was about to beat him. An instant earlier he was near mountains. He blitzed them so bad that they needed karin(a sensor) to localise him:
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I won't even bother to show pics of top tiers in speed like A, Naruto add Minato because their feats and hype talk for themselves. Minato shunshin'd thru an entire village in an instant and blitzed Kyubi. A even in base was noted to be too fast Zetsu to react, so i find it really funny when you say Itachi is above his level in V1. I wonder sometimes if people read this manga correctly or just read or look characters that interest them and forget the rest?
There are many other examples, but i think all this is enough to make you realise that Itachi is not the only character who can use shunshin no jutsu(apparently you think he is) and that i can show you many character who managed to cover greater distance than Itachi did in an instant if i wanted
Now talking about his speed, it's funny that when you wank Itachi and downgrade Bee purposely, you forget this page where Itachi was completely dominated by Bee and forced to retreat:
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Excuses apart, Kakashi was keeping up with his speed just fine:
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Excuses apart, Itachi didn't even notice the chidori-shuriken and thus wasn't able to dodge it completely in time:
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Itachi was cut in half without reaction:
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In these examples i obviously exaggerated but it's to show you how easy it's to wank or de-wank a character by giving sentences we like and forgetting others.
So all that to say that eventhough Itachi is probably one of the fastest characters in the manga(top10 at least), A even in V1 is faster than him.
This is my top in terms of speed(obviously not saying it's the truth, i may forget some):
1- Minato
2- Naruto
3- 4th Raikage
4- Bee
5- 3rd Raikage
6- Gated Gai
7- Gated Lee
8- Obito
9- Itachi
10- Kakashi/Sasuke
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They were actually paying attention, at least bee was, Itachi attacked and be countered with sucking up the fire with samehada...naruto was talking at this time... It was then Bee who told naruto that someone else is controlling them..
added to the fact that bee is literally facing the two of them in a STRAIGHT line, there is no way he couldn't have itachi in his line of sight
What I said is proof that they knew just because they were sensors.. also Itachi used a smoke bomb over by naruto meaning a giant poof of smoke appeared ,Nagato would be the first person to notice itachi's movement as itachi was the one holding up his immobile body and was right next to him
What part of that is a blitz? unlike Sasuke who got slaughtered by that same attack, Itachi sucessfully retreated backwards from Bee's consecutive swordplay attacks , tell me where are you seeing someone outdoing another in speed
Right because Itachi was going all out in this fight?
There was a reason I said gai's feat paled in comparison, if you read it was because he used it against a bunch of 12 year olds with the reflexes of chickens, The same with kakashi there.....Bee is someone who has high reflexes and definitely a 5 in speed... if you are capable of doing such a thing to a ninja of that level in battle
Right there it's stated they used Naruto as Bait, you don't know how close they were in that fight and when they decided to simply take that moment to come in....What you're arguing is something I never disputed, Kakashi is fast.. his 4.5 has been given praise on numerous ocassions.. Gai is faster I also said he was.. both shinobi's are capable of using shunshin , but neither have feats at the same sheer distance and on a level of opponent like bee
What in the world does noticing have to do with speed? this is a speed thread...We see kishi on the page after he gets hit shows his blurred eyes so we know why he got hit
Now read two or so scans later and you see Itachi tell Kabuto he let him hit him as it doesn't matter, since has regenerative properties now
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damn really puts his speed into perspective
If 3 grown uchihas cannot even parry one of Itachi's attacks...it's unknown if they couldn't just track it or couldn't react to it, nonetheless still an amazingly fast feat at so young
Such a one sided fight reminds me of the very first lee vs sasuke fight
That list pretty much sums it up, he doesn't have some fancy way of getting a speed boost like the rest them , but for someone using solely shunshin his placement is quite great..
If we have a list of top base speedsters he'll have a totally different number however
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Nagato did blast bee away first, and when you're mid air, your speed is basically at one constant level
It wasn't really a blitz , the entire terrain was being destroyed and bee really didn't know where nagato was, then he appeared behind him
different to say ninja standing at spot A, ninja standing at spot B, and the ninja at A magically appears behind spot b ninja with no trace
The fact that we see Bee talking to Naruto already shows he wasn't paying attention. The fact that Nagato has even time to say heads up, the fact he prevents them shows that they were not paying attention.
Not blitz but proof that Bee is faster
The same poor excuse when talking about Itachi. The fact he wasn't going all out has nothing to do with it. The exclamation mark is to show that Itachi didn't notice it in time. Or you want to tell me that he purposely faked his expression and purposely didn't notice it in time? Obviously not. So i guess he was blitzed right?
You wank Itachi by showing the distances he was able to cover in an instant. The distance you can cover in an instant has nothing to do with the level of opponent
I just showed a pic where we could see the entire battlefield and neither Kakashi and Gai were around at that moment. It's obvious since if they were around they would have been caught by Hachibi's technique. So the distance they covered in an instant was indeed impressiv especially when like i've said, Obito is the one who started to close the distance
I just showed a pic where Kakashi directly appeared behind Tobi when he wasn't even there from the start, unless you think Obito(one of the fastest ninja in the manga) is not on Bee's level? Gai also blitzed Kisame in gates, unless you think Kisame is not on Bee's level?
It still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't able to dodge that shuriken, which shows that his speed at that moment was not enough to dodge. Furthermore, like i've said i've exaggerated it purposely only to show you how it's easy for me to de-wank Itachi if i wanted like you wank him actually without taking into consideration details in manga or simply ignore them
I just hope you could show me the pic where he said that because i don't remember Itachi said something even similar to what you have just said
Not even comparable. I can't even believe some people think they are comparable. In base, he moved so fast that Zetsu wasn't able to react and said he was
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(implying that he rarely or never met someone that fast before). In V1, Madara
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and said he was so fast. He directly already had no other option than
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. You think that Itachi's speed is even close to blitz Madara like that? Has Itachi already shown to be able to overwhelm fast and powerful characters like Madara that rapidely with his speed in this manga? If you seriously believe this, then there is no hope concerning this thread, like there is no hope concerning Itachi's future debate in versus threads
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It doesn't matter if Bee was mid-air, Nagato moved from Naruto's line of sight and appeared behind Bee in a matter of moments, with the latter showing clear amazement at the feat with the use of an exclamation mark. You're saying that if you are mid-air your speed is at a constant level, yet that is obviously the case for people standing still aswell, as was seen when you posted the page of Itachi appearing behind Bee. Bee's speed was 0. There's not really any difference, so that isn't really a factor.
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Naruto said I know, naruto knew where he was at.. since when is talking not paying attention? many times in the manga ninjas have been talking while fighting... talking but still looking right at the person? I don't see what part of that is non eye contact
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Do realize that entire fight was faked, and planned how itachi wanted it, - tobi's
And isn't it also possible that as obito started closing the distance that they did as well? they WERE around, since they used him as bait.. meaning when he starting coming in to warp naruto they went for the strike...
You're bringing up scenes in no way relevant to the topic.. how does Itachi not seeing the shruiken, which has to do with his blindness, have to do with his speed? he dodged the first one or two, my tossing himself mid air.. As kaakshi said to naruto a long time ago, when your'e mid air, you can't do much, can't change you position, , move etc... there was nothing he could do once he missed the shruiken.. that's a matter of eyesight not speed
Do realize when I meant bee's level I meant reflexes and speed.. Tobi was never blitzed in any way or form.. he did the same thing to sasuke when sasuke attempted to shunshin slash him.. he said he was fast but still managed to use his s/t justu...
Gai's speed and reflexes > Kisame's speed and reflexes....I don't know what is your argument here...
You must misunderstand my entire point, I acknowledged the speed of others in my thead, gai, kakashi, sasuke etc, I ackowledge that the databook says sasuke has "godlike" speed
but none, I repeat none of the above characters have feats even close to such a thing like this
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Which is getting back a few meters away in such a short time, the enemy hasn't even altered their body positions from their last attacks
The scan you posted with kakashi getting behind naruto, what does show? not only is it on 12 year olds, but the distance was incredibly small between naruto and kakashi..how does that compare to anything ive given?
Once again, all you're showing is that ninjas can use shunshin, something noone is arguing...
The point of the thread is that some ninjas can use shunshin better than others..an obvious statement....A has his v1/v2 body flicker, Minato has his body flicker and shishui was known for his..
You say the level of the opponent doesn't matter? well it does, it 100% matters,,
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If any ninja is able to do this to Minato, I bet you'd be singing a different song wouldn't yo?
The reflexes and speed of the ninja all count in whether or not such a thing will be able to be achieved.. Once you're in that position behind the opponent you can easily kill them with a kunai or anything of the sort....Unless they have an ability to counter such an attack...
If a ninja can do ^ to kakashi, once again you'd sing a different song..
As ive said, doing it to naruto, sakura isn't a notable feat.. sure you can compare the distance but that's all
Itachi was able to cover significant distance AND do it on a high level opponent with notable reflexes and speed twice
He was able to pull it off against a heightened sage mode user
able to easily defeat 3 grown uchiha jounins at the age of 12.. Kakashi had problem with JUST ONE jounin ninja... and at 13 kakashi was stated to be fast...so fast that he couldn't properly read his opponents counter attacks while using chidor
How long was bee travelling mid air in that blast for? he got blown away , we don't know at what point nagato started moving towards bee
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It doesn't really matter at what moment Nagato began moving towards Bee. The point is, his sudden movement totally bamboozled the Jinchūriki, and that's pretty much the definition of a blitz. Had Bee not been conditioned by Itachi's earlier movements, he would've probably been finished by another Shinra Tensei - that's why he mentioned that he hadn't lost his cool that time.
Where have i said that talking always means not paying attention? It's you who don't understand the context here. They were not even fighting to begin with? Bee was still explaining why Edos were attacking him, he was explaining it to someone alongside with him. At the same time, Itachi who was facing them just covered the distance meanwhile. The fact that Nagato says heads up further implies that they were not paying attention. How is it difficult for you to understand that?
Concerning the Kabuto pic, i don't really understand why you show me that. You do realise it's Kabuto the one who was talking about regenerating abilities there, right?
Of course, the same poor excuse, trying to make us believe that Itachi planned everything that happened in that fight even kirin
Maybe, but the way i saw it, it seems that they just appeared, which really looks like a shunshin no jutsu
It's not irrelevant since it shows that Itachi wasn't fast enough to dodge the shuriken at that moment. It's only that because it's de-wanking Itachi, you create excuses. Anyway concerning the mid air thing, it's irrelevant because we've already seen many characters able to dodge things point blank even in mid air. Kakashi especially has one of the most if not the most impressiv dodging speed concerning such a thing in the manga and that was in mid air when pressured by Hidan:
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The same way you say that Tobi said he was fast but was never blitzed, Bee who wasn't paying attention from the start also noticed Itachi at the last second but was never blitzed.
Lol, not sure if serious. Like i've mentioned before, if i wanted i could show feats from characters that exceeds all what you show in this thread concerning Itachi. It's only that the wank of Itachi is so strong that it makes you fail to realise basic things that could easily be noticeable. I've already showed the pics where Bee totally blitzed all Taka in an instant covering a distance that Itachi has never shown to be capable of in this manga in an instant, travelling to go and stay near mountains when Taka is still checking him in an instant.
Kakashi also for example has shown an impressiv speed feat against Kakuzu and Hidan. While pressured by Hidan in a defensiv position in mid air, against a surprise attack using Hidan's immortality, he managed to dodge such a huge level of fuuton
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And if it wasn't enough, an instant after, he managed to cover the distant rapidely to come and save Shikamaru and Choji from the raiton attack:
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All that before Hidan even had time
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So what were you talking about concerning none of them showing a similar feat?
V1 A blitzed Madara, was keeping up with KM Naruto just fine(Naruto was even surprised by that). Curiously Naruto never showed to be impressed by Itachi's speed in comparison, not even once. If we really have to compare Itachi's speed to A, i would say that he is comparable to base A and eventhen i'm not really that sure because even in base, Zetsu clearly stated he has a ridiculous speed, and we talk about someone who knows Itachi or other fast ninjas
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If only he were healthy when he was alive. His Edo is a prime example.
Well, Ao survived in a fight against Shisui and only called him a formidable opponent, so I wouldn't take him too seriously (I'm guessing Shisui doesn't have Susanoo?)