godemperor307
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im not saying he's vice admiral weak. im saying he's above sabo by only a small margin at best. if he is at all. only hype claims hes above sabo by virtue of rank. even though garp has proven rank means nothing.
anyway hes not at all the "strongest" and most unstoppable person ever
1. "his DF is the weather so he must be storm from x-men level"
this has to eb the most ridiculous one. he didn't send lightning to luffy in loguetown for one. that was a freak accident. and IMO so was the wind. the wind later on may have been him but theres no proof because he was with his boys when that happened. so one of his boys could have wind.
2. "everyone is scared shitless of him".
no they are just shocked to learn new information.
NO ONE is afraid of this guy. theres several key occurances
- smoker just stares at dragon and doesn't really give a shit that hes there. whereas if kaido showed up he would be like "OH FUK, LETS GO GUYS. RUN".
- no one cares about slaughtering revolutionaries. the government does not fear reprisal from murdering ivankov or luffy. but killing ace was some world shattering declaration of war. akainu attacked ivankov and brushed him off like "who cares. you think dragon's gonna come here and fuk me up if i kill you? GTFO". and he was fixated on luffy mostly because he is the son of someone evil, not someone strong. he hates what he percieves as evil. and akainu, despite what some fans believe isn't some slobbering psychopath who kills any and all pirate. otherwise why doesn't he try to kill all the warlords? why tolerate them? exactly. shut it.
- the govenrment has mostly dealt with dragon like this
"dude dragon is conquering our shit in north blue"
"hm........probably should put a bounty out then"
"....do you want to do something about it?"
"oh...um...send CP9...kill his top guys..that'll show him!"
and they did! they did just send a couple of guys to fight dragon and kill his men.
where's the buster call? wheres the holy shit mobilisation and industrialisation to stop this rebellion in our own territory? instead the gov is treating dragon like a minor pest, buzzing in their ears for ten years. yep, this has been going on TEN YEARS. IMO only reason they havent killed this guy is because they can't spare an admiral to go. admirals are needed to fight emperors and supernovas and be the bodyguards of marejoa.
1. "he opposes the goverment"
uh so does luffy. so...is dragon luffy level?
i admit his subordinates are rather strong like kuma and sabo, but who do you think the rest of the guys are? rank and file fodders who cant do shit if a admiral shows up.
hype doesnt mean shit. usually when a character's hyped, they ahve something to mention about his or her fighting abilities. hancock got called strong. ok she's strong. mihawk duelled shanks. ok i know who mihawk is so shanks is probably strong.
we got NOTHING with dragon. except "hes got a few strong officers (actually two strong officers) and leads an army, that is unknown in size power or relevance".
no indication hes a great and experienced warrior. which should have been the first thing to come up when hyping this guy.
shouldnt fodders be like "holy shit its luffy, son of dragon, who duelled mihawk back in the day! so don't fuk with him, k?"
or "holy **** its dragon. he can send hurricanes on your ass if you kill his boys or fuk with his plans!".
but no. we get nothing. just promises that hes "dangerous" and spooky.
2. "he is a master strategist".
nope. he's already made two bonehead decisions. i don't know why this army is following this braindead buffoon who can't fight a war and has no idea how.
this guy is fukin stupid.
- sends away both top trusted officers to suicide misisons for no reason away from the main army. kuma got sent to be a spy in the government. but he has no real way to communicate this given hes a brainwashed zombie. which dragon AND kuma let happen. this guy can teleport. he didn't want to not be a zombie? he couldnt just push himself back to dragon's army?
and ivankov. from the wikia it says he was captured. so dragon just lets his boys get assraped and thrown in prison? and makes absolutely no efforts or attempts to rescue ivankov?
this is not just selfish and absurdly cruel but also proof hes weak and doesn't have whitebeard's power who was able to go and save one crew member.
the government has assfuked dragon and gotten his guy! and he let them do it. that deflates all threat level for dragon personally, as a fighter. if he cared or was strong, he'd bust the prison open and get ivankov back. but he didnt. probably because he'd be killed trying.
- he sent sabo to an irrelevant island on a random ass mission that won't amount ot anything (arms trade? so stopping one arms factory on one island is gonna do anything? akainu has mobilised his boys and is probably pumping out rifles every second. who gives a flying turd about doflamingo) in which sabo and his forces could end up surrounded cut off or killed, due to literally being in an entirely hostile continent with one rickety boat.
again shouldnt sabo be guarding dragon or with him? why's he sending his SECOND IN COMMAND to do a job a couple of expendable fodders could do, or at least a mid level officer.
what the hell is he doing splitting his forces like this so arbitrarily? if his HQ gets attacked, whos going to be the main defence? dragon himself. he may as well be alone vs however many VAs and admirals arrive.
retarded.
and does this guy not know how to fight a war?
hes basically spreading his men out into several secret bases around the oceans. is this a guerilla war? because i thought this was a full scale world war. i thought your fighting the government.
akainu has basically spit in his face with the whole world military draft. he's flaunted to dragon that "hey. hey dragon. you think you have an army? bit ch i have a world. ok? a world. and i can call hundreds of thousands of guys up to fight and kill you, ok? but i wont because i have emperors to worry about and pirates. hang tight, ill get to you eventually".
dragon had his golden opportunity to attack and defeat the marines and it was 2 whole years ago. the whitebeard war, when the marines were tired bloodied and battered. had dragon made one big offensive then....maybe he could have gotten some headway. his goal after all is taking marejoa and killing the gorosei.
akainu has dragon's balls in a vice. or he could if he cared enough. theres no way dragon can function his supply lines if theres a million marines out and trying to cut them off. he will starve and die. he cannot feed this army across this big a spanse of land. he cannot hold the nations hes already conquered. especially if the marines take them back. what will he do? turn around and lose more soldiers in a siege just to get one irrelevant north blue kingdom?
akainu has mobilized this war machine of his. hes probably making one pacifista a day. a thousand rifles an hour.
and he has inexhaustible men.
dragon has only chipped away at a giant. hes a prickly needle poking a dinosaur. and akainu doesn't care. why would he care? wheres the buster calls? wheres the mobilising to stop this oh so dangerous rebellion?
long term. dragon can't win. he is fuked. FUKED.
he has a tiny army in the ass end of nowhere. he wasted his top officers and sent them on suicide missions, or outright let them get captured.
lets say he FINALLY gets to the fringes of the grand line. what do you think will be waiting for him? thousands of marines and cannons.
row upon row of pacifistas.
row upon row of loyal guys who don't want their homes invaded and destroyed by dragon and his trigger army revs.
mile upon mile of insurmountable grand line weather, and reefs and sea kings that dragon has no experience with.
and then...top tier admirals. garp. sengoku. and whoever else has a problem with his invasion encroaching on their lands. top tier pirates who want to say "fuk that" to a world war destroying their chances of getting the one piece.
shichibukais if thye are still around. mihawk (probably).
dragon's gonna fight all of that. while worrying about supply lines, spreading out his men, how hes gonna duel them on the open sea in full scale naval battles etc. defeat entrenched positions.
all of that.
and all he has is ragtag volunteers with little or no real training, probably wiht different cultures and languages, no disciplined experience in naval warfare, which he will need if hes to win this thing, and a couple of ok fighters like sabo and ivankov.
already, if we assume dragon is around as powerful as mihawk or garp. one of the two.
that leaves ALL THAT OTHER SHIT up to sabo ivankov and an army of fodders to hold off and somehow get past.
then theres marejoa. which would be FORTIFIED TO SHIT with cannons pacifistas and their most elite marine, kong.
and i know waht your going to say.
kong is all hype. but screw that, ok? hes a former fleet admiral. if dragon can be hyped up based on the most vague hype, then kong gets it too and so do gorosei.
gorosei and kong rule the world. a war torn, shitty world that is pretty insolent with its pirate problem.
you think they, on their own, will be a walk in the palk to defeat and take down?
like i said, if dragon could, he'd have already done it 2 years ago.
3. "he is luffy's father so of course hes strong"
thats ludicrous.
4. "he is a hero"
he brought the horror and desolation of war upon the world (but like i said, the moment he makes a large move, he will get massacred). most of the planet in one piece is living in relative peace.
i mean sure dragon could be some kind of vigilante assassin who takes out all the tyrants if he wants. but to get people on his side, and want to fight and kill millions in a full scale world war?
how will that make ANYTHING better?
the two sides, if revs are as powerful as their fans think, would probably just capitulate.
victory would be meaningless because you already killed everyone! this is not a man to be followed or considered a righteous revolutionary.
history has taught us most revolutions or coups are settled very quickly. because the outnumbered rebels cant afford to fuk around.
the only full scale long term civil wars are things like vietnam....american civil war...things like that where one half of a nation is at war with another half. ok? functioning established nations who can use industry to afford to fight long wars. the revs popped up out of nowhere 12 years ago and have made very little progress since then! its a 12 year war and they havent even BEGUN to engage the main force of marines. its there. in the grand line. probably fortifying it all up to its ass in guns and traps and robots.
and the world wars had actual powerful established industrial superpowers fighting other powerful superpowers.
dragon is one guy, with a couple thousand men, stranded in the ass end of bullshit valley, conquering corrupt kingdoms and then leaving them again, while surrounded by potential foes and a world-ruling power who can call up millions of troops whenever the fuk he wants!
i thought sabo was smart but hes following a buffoon who corrupted his mind into fighting a war where he will certainly lose and die. and for what? because he thinks a ful scale world war will make things better?
demolishing the grand line and probably alot of other places in the fighting is gonna mean that if they win, their new goverment will be able to fukin rule this world?
i bet dragon didnt even think that far ahead. i think he's worrying about that moment when hes won and is king of the world and is like "fuk what now...i don't have any idea how to govern millions of war torn pissed off starving thirsty peasants".
yeah no. i dont think he thought that far ahead....
anyway hes not at all the "strongest" and most unstoppable person ever
1. "his DF is the weather so he must be storm from x-men level"
this has to eb the most ridiculous one. he didn't send lightning to luffy in loguetown for one. that was a freak accident. and IMO so was the wind. the wind later on may have been him but theres no proof because he was with his boys when that happened. so one of his boys could have wind.
2. "everyone is scared shitless of him".
no they are just shocked to learn new information.
NO ONE is afraid of this guy. theres several key occurances
- smoker just stares at dragon and doesn't really give a shit that hes there. whereas if kaido showed up he would be like "OH FUK, LETS GO GUYS. RUN".
- no one cares about slaughtering revolutionaries. the government does not fear reprisal from murdering ivankov or luffy. but killing ace was some world shattering declaration of war. akainu attacked ivankov and brushed him off like "who cares. you think dragon's gonna come here and fuk me up if i kill you? GTFO". and he was fixated on luffy mostly because he is the son of someone evil, not someone strong. he hates what he percieves as evil. and akainu, despite what some fans believe isn't some slobbering psychopath who kills any and all pirate. otherwise why doesn't he try to kill all the warlords? why tolerate them? exactly. shut it.
- the govenrment has mostly dealt with dragon like this
"dude dragon is conquering our shit in north blue"
"hm........probably should put a bounty out then"
"....do you want to do something about it?"
"oh...um...send CP9...kill his top guys..that'll show him!"
and they did! they did just send a couple of guys to fight dragon and kill his men.
where's the buster call? wheres the holy shit mobilisation and industrialisation to stop this rebellion in our own territory? instead the gov is treating dragon like a minor pest, buzzing in their ears for ten years. yep, this has been going on TEN YEARS. IMO only reason they havent killed this guy is because they can't spare an admiral to go. admirals are needed to fight emperors and supernovas and be the bodyguards of marejoa.
1. "he opposes the goverment"
uh so does luffy. so...is dragon luffy level?
i admit his subordinates are rather strong like kuma and sabo, but who do you think the rest of the guys are? rank and file fodders who cant do shit if a admiral shows up.
hype doesnt mean shit. usually when a character's hyped, they ahve something to mention about his or her fighting abilities. hancock got called strong. ok she's strong. mihawk duelled shanks. ok i know who mihawk is so shanks is probably strong.
we got NOTHING with dragon. except "hes got a few strong officers (actually two strong officers) and leads an army, that is unknown in size power or relevance".
no indication hes a great and experienced warrior. which should have been the first thing to come up when hyping this guy.
shouldnt fodders be like "holy shit its luffy, son of dragon, who duelled mihawk back in the day! so don't fuk with him, k?"
or "holy **** its dragon. he can send hurricanes on your ass if you kill his boys or fuk with his plans!".
but no. we get nothing. just promises that hes "dangerous" and spooky.
2. "he is a master strategist".
nope. he's already made two bonehead decisions. i don't know why this army is following this braindead buffoon who can't fight a war and has no idea how.
this guy is fukin stupid.
- sends away both top trusted officers to suicide misisons for no reason away from the main army. kuma got sent to be a spy in the government. but he has no real way to communicate this given hes a brainwashed zombie. which dragon AND kuma let happen. this guy can teleport. he didn't want to not be a zombie? he couldnt just push himself back to dragon's army?
and ivankov. from the wikia it says he was captured. so dragon just lets his boys get assraped and thrown in prison? and makes absolutely no efforts or attempts to rescue ivankov?
this is not just selfish and absurdly cruel but also proof hes weak and doesn't have whitebeard's power who was able to go and save one crew member.
the government has assfuked dragon and gotten his guy! and he let them do it. that deflates all threat level for dragon personally, as a fighter. if he cared or was strong, he'd bust the prison open and get ivankov back. but he didnt. probably because he'd be killed trying.
- he sent sabo to an irrelevant island on a random ass mission that won't amount ot anything (arms trade? so stopping one arms factory on one island is gonna do anything? akainu has mobilised his boys and is probably pumping out rifles every second. who gives a flying turd about doflamingo) in which sabo and his forces could end up surrounded cut off or killed, due to literally being in an entirely hostile continent with one rickety boat.
again shouldnt sabo be guarding dragon or with him? why's he sending his SECOND IN COMMAND to do a job a couple of expendable fodders could do, or at least a mid level officer.
what the hell is he doing splitting his forces like this so arbitrarily? if his HQ gets attacked, whos going to be the main defence? dragon himself. he may as well be alone vs however many VAs and admirals arrive.
retarded.
and does this guy not know how to fight a war?
hes basically spreading his men out into several secret bases around the oceans. is this a guerilla war? because i thought this was a full scale world war. i thought your fighting the government.
akainu has basically spit in his face with the whole world military draft. he's flaunted to dragon that "hey. hey dragon. you think you have an army? bit ch i have a world. ok? a world. and i can call hundreds of thousands of guys up to fight and kill you, ok? but i wont because i have emperors to worry about and pirates. hang tight, ill get to you eventually".
dragon had his golden opportunity to attack and defeat the marines and it was 2 whole years ago. the whitebeard war, when the marines were tired bloodied and battered. had dragon made one big offensive then....maybe he could have gotten some headway. his goal after all is taking marejoa and killing the gorosei.
akainu has dragon's balls in a vice. or he could if he cared enough. theres no way dragon can function his supply lines if theres a million marines out and trying to cut them off. he will starve and die. he cannot feed this army across this big a spanse of land. he cannot hold the nations hes already conquered. especially if the marines take them back. what will he do? turn around and lose more soldiers in a siege just to get one irrelevant north blue kingdom?
akainu has mobilized this war machine of his. hes probably making one pacifista a day. a thousand rifles an hour.
and he has inexhaustible men.
dragon has only chipped away at a giant. hes a prickly needle poking a dinosaur. and akainu doesn't care. why would he care? wheres the buster calls? wheres the mobilising to stop this oh so dangerous rebellion?
long term. dragon can't win. he is fuked. FUKED.
he has a tiny army in the ass end of nowhere. he wasted his top officers and sent them on suicide missions, or outright let them get captured.
lets say he FINALLY gets to the fringes of the grand line. what do you think will be waiting for him? thousands of marines and cannons.
row upon row of pacifistas.
row upon row of loyal guys who don't want their homes invaded and destroyed by dragon and his trigger army revs.
mile upon mile of insurmountable grand line weather, and reefs and sea kings that dragon has no experience with.
and then...top tier admirals. garp. sengoku. and whoever else has a problem with his invasion encroaching on their lands. top tier pirates who want to say "fuk that" to a world war destroying their chances of getting the one piece.
shichibukais if thye are still around. mihawk (probably).
dragon's gonna fight all of that. while worrying about supply lines, spreading out his men, how hes gonna duel them on the open sea in full scale naval battles etc. defeat entrenched positions.
all of that.
and all he has is ragtag volunteers with little or no real training, probably wiht different cultures and languages, no disciplined experience in naval warfare, which he will need if hes to win this thing, and a couple of ok fighters like sabo and ivankov.
already, if we assume dragon is around as powerful as mihawk or garp. one of the two.
that leaves ALL THAT OTHER SHIT up to sabo ivankov and an army of fodders to hold off and somehow get past.
then theres marejoa. which would be FORTIFIED TO SHIT with cannons pacifistas and their most elite marine, kong.
and i know waht your going to say.
kong is all hype. but screw that, ok? hes a former fleet admiral. if dragon can be hyped up based on the most vague hype, then kong gets it too and so do gorosei.
gorosei and kong rule the world. a war torn, shitty world that is pretty insolent with its pirate problem.
you think they, on their own, will be a walk in the palk to defeat and take down?
like i said, if dragon could, he'd have already done it 2 years ago.
3. "he is luffy's father so of course hes strong"
thats ludicrous.
4. "he is a hero"
he brought the horror and desolation of war upon the world (but like i said, the moment he makes a large move, he will get massacred). most of the planet in one piece is living in relative peace.
i mean sure dragon could be some kind of vigilante assassin who takes out all the tyrants if he wants. but to get people on his side, and want to fight and kill millions in a full scale world war?
how will that make ANYTHING better?
the two sides, if revs are as powerful as their fans think, would probably just capitulate.
victory would be meaningless because you already killed everyone! this is not a man to be followed or considered a righteous revolutionary.
history has taught us most revolutions or coups are settled very quickly. because the outnumbered rebels cant afford to fuk around.
the only full scale long term civil wars are things like vietnam....american civil war...things like that where one half of a nation is at war with another half. ok? functioning established nations who can use industry to afford to fight long wars. the revs popped up out of nowhere 12 years ago and have made very little progress since then! its a 12 year war and they havent even BEGUN to engage the main force of marines. its there. in the grand line. probably fortifying it all up to its ass in guns and traps and robots.
and the world wars had actual powerful established industrial superpowers fighting other powerful superpowers.
dragon is one guy, with a couple thousand men, stranded in the ass end of bullshit valley, conquering corrupt kingdoms and then leaving them again, while surrounded by potential foes and a world-ruling power who can call up millions of troops whenever the fuk he wants!
i thought sabo was smart but hes following a buffoon who corrupted his mind into fighting a war where he will certainly lose and die. and for what? because he thinks a ful scale world war will make things better?
demolishing the grand line and probably alot of other places in the fighting is gonna mean that if they win, their new goverment will be able to fukin rule this world?
i bet dragon didnt even think that far ahead. i think he's worrying about that moment when hes won and is king of the world and is like "fuk what now...i don't have any idea how to govern millions of war torn pissed off starving thirsty peasants".
yeah no. i dont think he thought that far ahead....
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