Momoshiki & Kaguya — Their Rivalry

[Clover]

First Momo Lava Golem was destroyed with Susanoo sword RSM Kurama tanked that shit easily.

Eighty gods vacuum attack destroyed Sasuke PS with low diff so it can do the same with Lava golem or phoenix .

Eighty gods vacuum attack is taijutsu move and it can´t be absorbed so this alone negs Momoshiki.

Momoshiki died from giant Rasengan while JJ MAdara who is weaker than Kaguya tanked Lava RS which is way stronger that attack used to kill MOmoshiki.

Momoshiki wanted to eat shinju fruit to gain power that only Kaguya have,so this alone tells as he is weaker.

The Titanic Creature is at the same physical power as a Senjutsu-Enhanced, Susno'o-clad Kurama avatar. (The blade was the last resort.) If Kaguya wished to destroy this thing, then she would have to resort to Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack, which is a chakra based attack. The attack works by collecting chakra in her fists and launching it at her target. If she used this around Momoshiki, then the chakra and attack would be absorbed and returned to her with a greater power than before. So this is an attack that can be absorbed as Momoshiki absorbs chakra.

Momoshiki was a movie villain, every movie villain is beaten with a Rasengan regardless of power. Momoshiki was weaker in raw power, but he was and is the perfect counter to Kaguya. Because of that, he would prove an difficult foe for Kaguya. Furthermore, Momoshiki primarily wanted all chakra to achieve immortality and supernatural power (in that order). The only attack that Kaguya has that would remotely work on Momoshiki would be All-Killing Ash Bones, which Momoshiki can block or defend against in numerous ways.

 

[Clover]

If it was as simple as draining her charka, Sasuke could have done it alone. If anything, Sasuke would be better than Momoshiki at doing that, since Momoshiki has no feats of directly absorbing a persons chakra. He could turn her attacks on her (Yes, even Ash Bones) but not drain her empty.

Momoshiki showed the ability to forcefully take the chakra of other and make it into his own permanent chakra. Also if you didn't notice then Kaguya only every used chakra based attacks on Sasuke when he was either inside of his Susano'o. Aside from that she used portals, teleportation and bones.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Good thread and the correct translation is a threat that "frighten" kaguya.

 

[KCMNaruto]

After reading some of your comments about Momoshiki I doesn't completly agree with you...

I mean You are making absorption of chakra as deciding factor in such ability at this is true but this is not as easy as you says, because else.

Hagoromo would easily use such weakness of Kaguya using Preta Path, especially once he became JJ.

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^^ Kaguya's taijutsu was surely not top notch however she was still able to defend herself against three RSM Naruto's clones which is not that weak feat.

Also she couldn't engage them in Taijutsu taking risk of getting sealed due to seals Naruto and Sasuke had and just touch would be enough.

In case of fighting Momoshiki she would need to worry about it so her fighting would be more refined most likely.
I keep my opinion that while Momoshiki may be threat to her as the most among all other chakra thieves then still Kaguya was cautious that more threats like momoshiki would attack her and that why she was scared and built zetsu army to counter them.

She was just afraid of being ganged up by more then one and then she would loose and get her chakra absorbed.

 

[Clover]

After reading some of your comments about Momoshiki I doesn't completly agree with you...

I mean You are making absorption of chakra as deciding factor in such ability at this is true but this is not as easy as you says, because else.

Hagoromo would easily use such weakness of Kaguya using Preta Path, especially once he became JJ.


^^ Kaguya's taijutsu was surely not top notch however she was still able to defend herself against three RSM Naruto's clones which is not that weak feat.

Also she couldn't engage them in Taijutsu taking risk of getting sealed due to seals Naruto and Sasuke had and just touch would be enough.

In case of fighting Momoshiki she would need to worry about it so her fighting would be more refined most likely.
I keep my opinion that while Momoshiki may be threat to her as the most among all other chakra thieves then still Kaguya was cautious that more threats like momoshiki would attack her and that why she was scared and built zetsu army to counter them.

She was just afraid of being ganged up by more then one and then she would loose and get her chakra absorbed.

Kaguya retreated when she was fighting against nothing else but clones, where there were no risks of being sealed because she wasn't capable of taking on more than three at a time. Momoshiki also possesses the Byakugan and more combat experience, on top of that he possesses stronger physical abilities. In other words, by nature the two are equal, but Momoshiki's physical abilities and experience places him above in the terms of close combat. Momoshiki was fighting both Naruto and Sasuke, no clones, at an adult age where they were stronger than the versions Kaguya fought.

While doing so, Momoshiki showed that he was capable of fighting the two head on and with relative ease. Hagoromo never fought Kaguya, and never will. Also he couldn't have fought her if he was the JJ of the Juubi as the Juubi is Kaguya. (That logic of yours made no sense.)

 

[Clover]

Good thread and the correct translation is a threat that "frighten" kaguya.

Frighten her enough to completely demolish her own rule and prepare for war. Note, she didn't even consider Naruto and Sasuke a threat, hence why she weren't going serious on them until she finally did consider them a minor threat.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Kaguya retreated when she was fighting against nothing else but clones, where there were no risks of being sealed because she wasn't capable of taking on more than three at a time. Momoshiki also possesses the Byakugan and more combat experience, on top of that he possesses stronger physical abilities. In other words, by nature the two are equal, but Momoshiki's physical abilities and experience places him above in the terms of close combat. Momoshiki was fighting both Naruto and Sasuke, no clones, at an adult age where they were stronger than the versions Kaguya fought.

While doing so, Momoshiki showed that he was capable of fighting the two head on and with relative ease. Hagoromo never fought Kaguya, and never will. Also he couldn't have fought her if he was the JJ of the Juubi as the Juubi is Kaguya. (That logic of yours made no sense.)

Honestly Naruto has gone really rusty after the Last and he doesn't have TSB which he can no longer have the extent of using RSM. His sensory gotten him dull when shin with his eye ability was able to control the katana which strucked him in the stomach and he got knocked cold hard when dealing with Momo and Kinishiki. Naruto was much stronger before when he had to deal with Kaguya than Momoshiki.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Frighten her enough to completely demolish her own rule and prepare for war. Note, she didn't even consider Naruto and Sasuke a threat, hence why she weren't going serious on them until she finally did consider them a minor threat.

Thats because of her Chakra Obsession. She wanted to steal Naruto and Sasuke's chakra, she didn't want Momoshiki and Kinshiki to steal her Chakra.

 

[Clover]

Honestly Naruto has gone really rusty after the Last and he doesn't have TSB which he can no longer have the extent of using RSM. His sensory gotten him dull when shin with his eye ability was able to control the katana which strucked him in the stomach and he got knocked cold hard when dealing with Momo and Kinishiki. Naruto was much stronger before when he had to deal with Kaguya than Momoshiki.

His sensory abilities were still great, as proven by the fact that he could easily use them to pinpoint Shin's exact position within Kaguya's dimension. Aside from that, then there is no evidence that Naruto was even remotely rusty. It was only ever stated that Naruto hadn't fought in a long time, not since becoming Hokage most likely, however it was never stated that he never practiced and we even know that he did practice with his son, Boruto. Aside from that, Naruto was also able to quickly sense and pinpoint Sarada and Shin. He also showed that he was capable of blocking an attack from his blind spot.

That proves that Naruto still has his sensing abilities, his reaction time and speed, even as an adult. We barely know anything about Shin's Mangekyou Sharingan other than the fact that it seems to have several abilities. One that is Kamui and one that is the ability to manipulate objects. How this manipulation takes place is unknown, and it may very well be that it isn't possible to sense before hand. Naruto, by all means is no weaker as an adult.

Naruto also showed chakra control against Momoshiki that was on pair and even surpassed his teen self on many degrees, his speed and strength haven't decreased either. So that statement, is simply for Naruto fans who cannot face the truth that Naruto managed to get hit once by a Katana.

Thats because of her Chakra Obsession. She wanted to steal Naruto and Sasuke's chakra, she didn't want Momoshiki and Kinshiki to steal her Chakra.

No, she didn't consider them a threat and neither did Black Zetsu regardless of the chance of being sealed. Black Zetsu frequently insulted Naruto and Sasuke and stated that they would lose no matter what. It wasn't until they managed to enter the prime dimension and show that they could travel across them that they took the two seriously and tried to kill them.