Modern Villains.

Are villain back stories good?

  • I think it makes a better story.

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  • I think it makes things too complicated.

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CurseSealofEarth

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I have a question for you boys and girls: Do you have trouble (when watching tv or movie or reading a book) figuring out who is the actual villain? If you're anything like me, which you're not because I'm a daedric prince, you will notice that villains in the media all have this backstory that makes you almost want to be sympathetic toward them. They have suffered the pain of losing someone close or have been betrayed by a close friend or confident. Is this the right way to make a villain?

Why it isn't:

Well for one, it causes a rift between fans. This may seem like a pretty weak argument, but we have people on this base who would defend Obito or Sasuke's reasons behind their hate of the world and village respectively. To go beyond Naruto, we have people like Lord Lucien from Fable 2 who became psycho and tried to become a God by destroying the old world and building a new one, or William Bell from the show Fringe who had a similar goal. Now in most of those instances, they lost someone very close to them and decided that they weren't deserving of such a fate, and decided to build a new world by destroying the old one. You start to see people looking at it from their perspective and they are no longer the villain, they are the poor man who thought he might do something better.

Then to bring that up, what happens when someone thinks that the world that they are in (after the villain makes their new world) is also unjust and becomes the new villain, are they right?

Why it is:

As it has been proven, it makes for a great fanbase. How many people actually talk about Naruto's ideals or defends him? Barely anyone, because his are good reasons and ideals. How many people will go back and forth on how evil or corrupt Obito, Itachi or Madara were? That's every third thread by my count. People love a good villain, even more than a great hero. So this brings a great amount of attention to them and in turn, your manga/tv show/movie.

So what do you guys have to say? Would you prefer the old villains who want to blow up the moon because "f*ck the moon"? Or do you prefer these tragic villains who have expirienced some adversity and think they need to undo some evils done to them? Comment below, let me know!
 
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It depends on the backstory. I'm really tired of the broken heart so I hate the world emo story. (Obito)
Its also nice every once in a while to have someone that's completely mysterious like Joker in Dark Knight.
When was the last time we saw someone that was just raised to be a psychotic villain? Gaara? And then they went and wussified him with the power of friendship. I liked him better when he was crazy.
 

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It depends on the backstory. I'm really tired of the broken heart so I hate the world emo story. (Obito)
Its also nice every once in a while to have someone that's completely mysterious like Joker in Dark Knight.
When was the last time we saw someone that was just raised to be a psychotic villain? Gaara? And then they went and wussified him with the power of friendship. I liked him better when he was crazy.
Maybe that's what I'm tired of, broken hearts.

There was Vaas in Far Cry 3, so I'm told. I love the insanity sometimes. No reason to be evil, just likes to see things burn.
 

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I said this before but I guess, it doesn't hurt to paste this and some further points. To me, a good villain...

  • He should have a solid background story. The writer should give him a solid reason as to why he is bad. It may be revenge, general hate, ambition or any of the characteristics you've mentioned. The point is that it should be compelling enough.
  • A good villain should have some really evil motives !!!
  • The guy should be creepy with his antics and thinking. A villain just cannot be mushy and sympathetic.
  • The writer should go deep into his psychology to show viewers/readers how sick and evil he is with his thoughts. A good villain's mindset should be more terrifying than his actions.
  • A villain should always have something up his sleeves. A good villain cannot be outgunned or outsmarted easily.
  • That villain should be a contrast to someone (the hero)
  • That villain shouldn't be strayed out of its path. Whatever the arguments and obstacles, he should keep going with his thoughts despite how despicable those thoughts are.
  • Apart from some of the above characteristics that I've listed, he could be an even badder villain if he abode some of these characteristics - egoistical, merciless, over-confident, unforgiving, corrupted, psychopathic, destructive, lust-ful or blood-seeking. All these embodies evilness and villainous forms.
So, to your question, yes, I do prefer that villains aren't just here to show-off their power with lazy motives. Still, if they abode characteristics that really creeps me, then it doesn't matter.

My 10 Favorite Villains are:

1. Pazuzu from The Exorcist
2. Iago from Othello, by William Shakespeare
3. Satan from Paradise Lost, by John Milton
4. Hannibal Lecter from The Silence of the Lambs
5. The Joker from Batman
6. Aaron from Titus Andronicus, by William Shakespeare.
7. Orochimaru from Naruto, by Masashi Kishimoto
8. Voldemort from Harry Potter, by JK Rowling
9. Sharks from JAWS
10. Claudius from Hamlet, by William Shakespeare​

The evolution of villainy matters less, in my eyes. Both the modern-type and old-school type of villains can make great villain. It just depends on the writing and creation.
 

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Sometimes I like having a villain that's evil for the sake of being evil. Like Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty. Why was she that evil? Because she just was.
 
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