misunderstanding on Ashura

[Claymantan]

That's a rinnegan?

You probably know this, but just to clarify for everyone, that's a mangekyo.

 

[Holy God]

Won't say anything about the claim that Ashura inherited absolutely no chakra, as that is just ludicrous, but saying that you can't split chakra is simple denial. To say yin and yang has to come together to create chakra simply because chakra is made from spiritual and physical energy is assuming that yin and yang are respectively the same as physical and spiritual energy, which is not true and was not stated. We've already seen Kurama split into separate chakra bodies of clashing natures and it is completely contradictory to your statement.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Chakra is composed of physical and spiritual energy, despite lacking Ashura's Yang energy Indra still had Sage chakra, therefore it would mean that Ashura would as well despite not having Indra's spiritual energy. Naruto didn't awaken RSM until he was given Hagoromo's chakra so it should be an indication that Ashura was born with it.

Indra doesn't need Ashura's yang energy to get Hagormoo's direct chakra. What Indra himself had was Yin mental/spiritual energy plus Hagormoo's chakra.
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Powerful chakra AND spiritual energy.
And you keep confusing basic chakra with senjutsu chakra. Ashura was born with senjutsu chakra, he needed to train to make it blossom. Ashura however was not born with Hagoromoo's strong chakra. It's that simple.

The Sage's children both inherited his chakra but with opposite Yin/Yang ratios, one had the full Yang of Hagoromo but not enough Yin while the other was born with the full Yin but not enough Yang.

No.
Ashura is senjutsu chakra and Indra is chakra. There is no fanfic ratio of one being born without less yin or more yang. When you split chakra in half they become known as energies. You can't evem make a simple jutsu without the balance of both yin and yang. You're denying the manga i just posted.

The difference in spiritual/physical energy resulted in them being born with different halves of the Sage's power but it does not mean only one of them had Sage chakra while the other didn't, that just doesn't make sense because Six Path Senjutsu is Hagoromo's chakra to begin with.

Being born with half doesn't make any sense. Tobi literally went over the properties of how rikudou chakra works.

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It's spiritual energy that forms the basis of Yin power not chakra. And you need to know that Six path chakra and Six paths senjutsu chakra are two completely different types of chakra. Because you arguing that they are the same is like you saying rinnegan madara is the same as Juubi jinchuuriki Madara or how regular naruto's chakra is the same as sm naruto.

Ashura didn't have the spiritual energy but the body to absorb NE and produce the same chakra as the Sage, while Indra didn't have the physical energy to produce Six Path Senjutsu but was born with the chakra of equivalent potency thanks to his genes, hence why he didn't require NE or Sage Mode.

Ashura had physical life energy and his body blossomed RSM that's it. You're giving Ashura hagoromoo chakra and hagormoo senjutsu while giving Indra only hagormoo chakra. That makes no sense whatsoever and Ashura would of outright stomped Indra if that was remotely true.

Ashura's SPS is Sage chakra without the full potency Hagoromo's genes would grant while Indra's Rikudou chakra is basically Six Path Senjutsu without the NE and it has the same potency as Ashura's SPS because of the genes he inherited from his father.

No it is clearly not.

Ashura-> yang energy+Sixpath senjutsu

Indra-> yin energy+Sixpath chakra

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You probably know this, but just to clarify for everyone, that's a mangekyo.

Oh okay, that's what I initially thought too.

Won't say anything about the claim that Ashura inherited absolutely no chakra, as that is just ludicrous, but saying that you can't split chakra is simple denial. To say yin and yang has to come together to create chakra simply because chakra is made from spiritual and physical energy is assuming that yin and yang are respectively the same as physical and spiritual energy, which is not true and was not stated. We've already seen Kurama split into separate chakra bodies of clashing natures and it is completely contradictory to your statement.

This is straight up fallacy with no basis of the manga to back up your fiction. Splitting chakra in half results in spiritual energy and Physical energy, and if you were too slow to read sakura's little lesson in the manga, then their is no helping you.
And using kurama is just desperate considering that RSM naruto has Yin kurama in his body while Yang kurama was in Madara. That alone juts throws everything you said out the window

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I don't understand, how did the Sage give Naruto Yang chakra and Sasuke Yin, then?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't understand, how did the Sage give Naruto Yang chakra and Sasuke Yin, then?

Super Gramps gave Sasuke Sage chakra and gave Naruto Sage senjutsu chakra. That's the balance of the two.
The six path yin power and the six path yang power comes from the seals in their hand as Kaguya and Sasuke noted.
If Naruto recieved Sage chakra and Sage senjutsu chakra, then Sasuke would've outright get his ass whooped and Naruto wouldn't of run out of chakra at VOTE

 

[NarutoX28]

Ashura was never able to awaken Rikudou Senjutsu.

That doesn't even make sense considering Ashura's Chakra bloomed to reach the same level as his brother's yet Indra couldn't awaken a Six Paths Power yet Ashura could? Makes no sense.

 

[NarutoX28]

I don't understand, how did the Sage give Naruto Yang chakra and Sasuke Yin, then?

He didn't.

He gave both the same amount of his Complete Chakra (Both Yin and Yang), but Sasuke received the chakra linked to his Rinnegan whereas Naruto received Rikudou's Chakra which gave him access to the Mastery over Senjutsu. It makes no sense if Naruto received Yang and Sasuke received Yin when Hagoromo's Powers consists of both Yin and Yang.

 

[SenseiSama]

Indra doesn't need Ashura's yang energy to get Hagormoo's direct chakra. What Indra himself had was Yin mental/spiritual energy plus Hagormoo's chakra.
It says it right here read it.

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Powerful chakra AND spiritual energy.
And you keep confusing basic chakra with senjutsu chakra. Ashura was born with senjutsu chakra, he needed to train to make it blossom. Ashura however was not born with Hagoromoo's strong chakra. It's that simple.

By powerful chakra he meant potency, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu but not with the same potency as Hagoromo because Indra was the one that inherited the genes for potent chakra which is why he didn't need Sage Mode to match the power of Ashura's Six Path Senjutsu.

You're the one that keeps confusing chakra, Six Path Senjutsu is Hagoromo's chakra, him and Hamura were both born with it because it was inherited from Kaguya, claiming Ashura didn't have Hagoromo's chakra is denying the fact Hagoromo's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu and nothing else.

No.
Ashura is senjutsu chakra and Indra is chakra. There is no fanfic ratio of one being born without less yin or more yang. When you split chakra in half they become known as energies. You can't evem make a simple jutsu without the balance of both yin and yang. You're denying the manga i just posted.

It's not fanfic, Indra and Ashura both had the Sage's chakra which would mean they both had Hagoromo's physical and spiritual energy, but Indra not awakening the Rinnegan shows he lacked the amount of physical energy to awaken Hagoromo's dojutsu which makes sense because he didn't have the Sage's body.

Look at it like the Yin/Yang symbol, there's a little Yin in the Yang half and a little Yang in the Yin half

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Being born with half doesn't make any sense. Tobi literally went over the properties of how rikudou chakra works.

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It's spiritual energy that forms the basis of Yin power not chakra. And you need to know that Six path chakra and Six paths senjutsu chakra are two completely different types of chakra. Because you arguing that they are the same is like you saying rinnegan madara is the same as Juubi jinchuuriki Madara or how regular naruto's chakra is the same as sm naruto.

Most of what Tobi said was assumption and the tablet was edited by BZ, he's the same guy that said Indra was born with the Sage's eyes when that was clearly not the case.

I know SPS and Rikudou chakra are two kinds of chakra but they still both come from Hagoromo. The manga already explained that chakra is formed by mixing spiritual energy with physical energy.

Since Indra had Hagoromo's chakra genes it would mean that he had some of the Sage's physical energy but not to the extent required to produce Rinnegan chakra because he wasn't born with Ashura's body.

Ashura had physical life energy and his body blossomed RSM that's it. You're giving Ashura hagoromoo chakra and hagormoo senjutsu while giving Indra only hagormoo chakra. That makes no sense whatsoever and Ashura would of outright stomped Indra if that was remotely true.

No it is clearly not.

Ashura-> yang energy+Sixpath senjutsu

Indra-> yin energy+Sixpath chakra

You're the one claiming Ashura didn't have Hagoromo's chakra when it's outright been shown that Hagoromo's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu, he's had it since before becoming a JuubiJin, both him and Hamura were born with it, Rikudou chakra is just diluted SPS but because of Indra's chakra genes it had the same potency as Ashura's SPS.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ashura was never able to awaken Rikudou Senjutsu.

That doesn't even make sense considering Ashura's Chakra bloomed to reach the same level as his brother's yet Indra couldn't awaken a Six Paths Power yet Ashura could? Makes no sense.

You just denied Ashura for having six path senjustu? I honestly don't know what you think Ashura has because you're not making sense here. You denying ashura senjutsu is like you denying naruto senjutsu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

By powerful chakra he meant potency, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu but not with the same potency as Hagoromo because Indra was the one that inherited the genes for potent chakra which is why he didn't need Sage Mode to match the power of Ashura's Six Path Senjutsu.

No it doesn't. I want you to post where you found this in the manga. Because I'm reading speculations here.

You're the one that keeps confusing chakra, Six Path Senjutsu is Hagoromo's chakra, him and Hamura were both born with it because it was inherited from Kaguya, claiming Ashura didn't have Hagoromo's chakra is denying the fact Hagoromo's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu and nothing else.

This doesn't even make any sense. I just said that Hagormoo's chakra is inherited by Ashura. And Hamura and Hagormoo inherited their power from Kaguya.

It's not fanfic, Indra and Ashura both had the Sage's chakra which would mean they both had Hagoromo's physical and spiritual energy, but Indra not awakening the Rinnegan shows he lacked the amount of physical energy to awaken Hagoromo's dojutsu which makes sense because he didn't have the Sage's body.

What the hell, did I not just cover this? Spiritual energy is not chakra. In fact read what the manga says.
What does it say here, don't twist up the words.

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^^What does it say Indra has here, word for word because you are making up stuff up right now.

Look at it like the Yin/Yang symbol, there's a little Yin in the Yang half and a little Yang in the Yin half

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Speculation

Most of what Tobi said was assumption and the tablet was edited by BZ, he's the same guy that said Indra was born with the Sage's eyes when that was clearly not the case.

Speculations

I know SPS and Rikudou chakra are two kinds of chakra but they still both come from Hagoromo. The manga already explained that chakra is formed by mixing spiritual energy with physical energy.

Ashura got SPS from his father, what did you not understand here?

Since Indra had Hagoromo's chakra genes it would mean that he had some of the Sage's physical energy but not to the extent required to produce Rinnegan chakra because he wasn't born with Ashura's body.

This doesn't make any sense. You can't have chakra without Physical energy included. And I can name at least two people with hagormoo chakra with no rinnegan.

You're the one claiming Ashura didn't have Hagoromo's chakra when it's outright been shown that Hagoromo's chakra is Six Path Senjutsu, he's had it since before becoming a JuubiJin, both him and Hamura were born with it, Rikudou chakra is just diluted SPS but because of Indra's chakra genes it had the same potency as Ashura's SPS.

I think you have a hard time understanding what I'm saing
The bold part is a fanfic that was mentioned nowhere in the manga.

 

[NarutoX28]

You just denied Ashura for having six path senjustu? I honestly don't know what you think Ashura has because you're not making sense here. You denying ashura senjutsu is like you denying naruto senjutsu.

I personally think that Ashura received Rikudou Senjutsu from Hagoromo which makes sense considering Rikudou entrusted everything to him and admitted that he gave more power to Ashura, hence why he divided his power equally with Naruto and Sasuke to prevent another conflict.

 

[lndra]

I thought most of this was known tho

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I personally think that Ashura received Rikudou Senjutsu from Hagoromo which makes sense considering Rikudou entrusted everything to him and admitted that he gave more power to Ashura, hence why he divided his power equally with Naruto and Sasuke to prevent another conflict.

Then what are you saying then? Ashura recieved rikudou senjutsu and Indra recieved rikudou chakra, the only thing he entrusted him was the power of those seals.
This is what I'm saying.
Ashura=Rikudo senjutsu+physical energy (2)
Indra=Rikudou chakra+spiritual energy. (2)

What you and SenseiSama are saying is this
Ashura=Rikudou senjutsu+Rikudou chakra+Physical energy (3)
Indra=Rikudou chakra+Spiritual energy (2)

That doesn't make sense whatsoever and Ashura would destroy Indra if it were like that.

I thought most of this was known tho

Apparently not.