misunderstanding on Ashura

[Rikudou Tobi]

Got into a debate a while ago on what Indra and Ashura inherited from their father, one argued that Ashura inherited Hagormoo's chakra like Indra and the other person argued that he inherited only Six path yang chakra.
I'll tell you what's wrong with this.
1#Hagoromoo out right said that only one of his sons inherited his powerful chakra while the other one did not.
Ashura didn't have any chakra whatsoever at the time and Indra was the only sibling with the power.

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2#When chakra is split, they become energies
Hagormoo can't split his chakra yin and yang between his sons, it'll no longer be chakra anymore it become known as mental energy and physical energy. Only together it'll be known as chakra.

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So that means Ashura and Indra didn't awaken six path yin chakra and six path yang chakra, they awakened or inherited the mental energy and physical energy of the sage.

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Now with that I bet you're wondering..."Okay stupid, if Indra inherited all his father's strong genes chakra then what chakra did Ashura get and why didn't Indra awaken the rinnegan derp?"
This question is easy to read if you pay attention to what naruto and sasuke gain from the sage. This answer is the core of this thread, and the answer is simply senjutsu chakra.
Through hard work and suffering Ashura bloomed a certain chakra that rivaled his brother. That keyword "BLOOMED"

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Sagemode chakra can only be attained by hard-work and the results for attaining is the body chakra of the sage bodily chakra.

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So to break it down simply

>Indra=Mental energy/spiritual energy+Hagoromoo chakra=Indra's chakra
>Ashura=Physical energy/Life-energy+Hagoromoo senjutsu chakra= Ashura's chakra.

And in case you're all wondering the energy flowing around Ashura's body, that's just life energy like kcm naruto.

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Hope this helped you develop a better understanding of how hagormoo is split up. As for the rinnegan part I mentioned earlier, well you don't always get the same doujutsus. Hagormoo got a different eyes from his mom but still has the same kekkai mora chakra as his mother.

 

[NINE SAILS]

Mind blown

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Mind blown

I think i deserve a cookie

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

Best Logical thread. Long time to see a well theoretical thread on NB. Hats off to you.

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I wish sasuke fans could become that logical one day. But the day they become logical would be last day for them to be a fan of sasuke.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Best Logical thread. Long time to see a well theoretical thread. Hats off to you.

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I wish sasuke fans could become that logical one day. But the day they become logical would be last day for them to be a fan of sasuke.

Why thank you. I did some reading and was able to solve kishis code. I like Tobious and Sasuke and I think they have the best swag on the Uchiha squad (my opinion) but I won't allow that to cloud my judgment on what role each character is suppose to have.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Night was black, was no use holding back, cuz I just had to see.. was someone watching me!? In the mist dark figures moving twist, was all this for real or just some.. kind of hell!?? SIX!!!... SIX, SIX!! The number of the beast!! Hell.. and fire was spawned to be released!!

6 gods

 

[SenseiSama]

Six Path Senjutsu IS Hagoromo's chakra, Ashura inherited the genes but he required NE for it to bloom while Indra was naturally born with it

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[Guy Fawkes]

why didn't Indra awaken the rinnegan derp?"

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[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

nice theory.

 

[SenseiSama]

He claimed after training the chakra bloomed within Ashura it gave him the same power as Indra. Therefore, Ashura also inherited his father's chakra since birth because he didn't rely on hand outs

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Six Path Senjutsu IS Hagoromo's chakra, Ashura inherited the genes but he required NE for it to bloom while Indra was naturally born with it

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Chakra is very generic but you don't use hagoromoo chakra to get hagormoo's senjutsu. They are two separate types of chakras. Hagormoo specifically said that Ashura did not have his chakra. If he ever had his chakra, then Ashura would mop the floor with him no competition. Asuhra can't have hagormoo's chakra and senjutsu while Indra only has hagormoo chakra. That doesn't make sense.

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That's a rinnegan?

 

[wanderingcactus]

wait this was a misconception?

I thought it was explained already? Like how do you not get it?

but thanks for the post. While the majority with a brain learned nothing new, at least it helped clarify things to that dumbass you had debated with.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

wait this was a misconception?

I thought it was explained already? Like how do you not get it?

but thanks for the post. While the majority with a brain learned nothing new, at least it helped clarify things to that dumbass you had debated with.

Haha damn dude, but yeah there are some people arguing and confusing rikudou chakra over rikudou senjutsu chakra.
Don't know why really. Hagoromoo said only one of his children inherited his chakra while the other one blossomed bodily chakra. It's pretty obvious that bodily chakra is senjutsu chakra, right?

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

Why thank you. I did some reading and was able to solve kishis code. I like Tobious and Sasuke and I think they have the best swag on the Uchiha squad (my opinion) but I won't allow that to cloud my judgment on what role each character is suppose to have.

Well said. I want to have a friendship with you. It is usually rare to see someone like you.

 

[wanderingcactus]

Haha damn dude, but yeah there are some people arguing and confusing rikudou chakra over rikudou senjutsu chakra.
Don't know why really. Hagoromoo said only one of his children inherited his chakra while the other one blossomed bodily chakra. It's pretty obvious that bodily chakra is senjutsu chakra, right?

yeah..

like I dont get why people think that ONLY Indra inherited his chakra too. Anyone that isn't illiterate can read the line and say that it isn't so.

They both have chakra genes. Ashura isn't the stronger one. Plus they explained what senjutsu is.

So why do they mistake it as RS chakra?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well said. I want to have a friendship with you. It is usually rare to see someone like you.

Thanks man, I send you a friend request.

yeah..

like I dont get why people think that ONLY Indra inherited his chakra too. Anyone that isn't illiterate can read the line and say that it isn't so.

They both have chakra genes. Ashura isn't the stronger one. Plus they explained what senjutsu is.

So why do they mistake it as RS chakra?

I have no idea, I guess people have their own way of interpreting things.

 

[SenseiSama]

Chakra is very generic but you don't use hagoromoo chakra to get hagormoo's senjutsu. They are two separate types of chakras. Hagormoo specifically said that Ashura did not have his chakra. If he ever had his chakra, then Ashura would mop the floor with him no competition. Asuhra can't have hagormoo's chakra and senjutsu while Indra only has hagormoo chakra. That doesn't make sense.

Chakra is composed of physical and spiritual energy, despite lacking Ashura's Yang energy Indra still had Sage chakra, therefore it would mean that Ashura would as well despite not having Indra's spiritual energy. Naruto didn't awaken RSM until he was given Hagoromo's chakra so it should be an indication that Ashura was born with it.

The Sage's children both inherited his chakra but with opposite Yin/Yang ratios, one had the full Yang of Hagoromo but not enough Yin while the other was born with the full Yin but not enough Yang.

The difference in spiritual/physical energy resulted in them being born with different halves of the Sage's power but it does not mean only one of them had Sage chakra while the other didn't, that just doesn't make sense because Six Path Senjutsu is Hagoromo's chakra to begin with.

Ashura didn't have the spiritual energy but the body to absorb NE and produce the same chakra as the Sage, while Indra didn't have the physical energy to produce Six Path Senjutsu but was born with the chakra of equivalent potency thanks to his genes, hence why he didn't require NE or Sage Mode.

Ashura's SPS is Sage chakra without the full potency Hagoromo's genes would grant while Indra's Rikudou chakra is basically Six Path Senjutsu without the NE and it has the same potency as Ashura's SPS because of the genes he inherited from his father.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Asura doesn't have SIX PATHS SENJUTSU and Indra doesn't have rinnegan. They both essentially have diluted versions of Hagoromo's power. One can taje that the sharingan gene is dominant and the rinnegan gene proved recessive. Hagoromo most likely had the gene for the rinnegan but he awakened the rinnegan but he would pass down the sharingan. SPSM is exclusive to those with Hagoromo's undiluted chakra combining Indra and Asura's chakra brings forth the rinnegan due to the nature of their chakra individually. Even Kaguya told the difference between hagoromo and hamura from Sasuke and Naruto, on the surface but in the end their chakra network still describes them as Indra and Asura. Nothing is changing those genes. I am interested to know the exact visual process of Asura awakening his chakra and what happened to the tailed beast if they played a role

 

[wanderingcactus]

^ what stated above.

To even simplify it:

Indra or Ashura = 1/2 Hagoromo

one is spiritual, one is physical.

I think the misconception really start with being "born with it" and "worked hard for it"

they both inherited the chakra. They both were born with it, they both worked hard for it.

Being "born with it"

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The reason why that is the case is that Indra had reached his full potential at a very young age, hence "being born with it"
therefore he sought no help from others and was a "loner" by society's standards.

His max potential was solely due to his inherited spirit energy/Yin. Since it is SPIRITual energy, it would make sense that it is already completed from the very start.

Hard-work and growth

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Well Ashura had physical energy/Yang. He was dubbed useless because he had to keep up with his genius brother. He is the son of RS and is already greater than most, presumably. He was already born with it but he wasn't able to fully utilize it as he needs to grow for it.

So he had to cooperate with others in the meantime before reaching his max potential. Cooperation, itself, didn't give him power. It helped him get through life living in the shadows of his brother before maturing his chakra.

In conclusion, both are born with it.

One reached max talent, one had to wait for it.

Senjutsu is out of the question as it is of a different matter.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I don't even know.