[Discussion] Mistake in manga by Kishimoto!

[6PathsofKami]

The question should be what would be the point of being able to switch from EMS to MS theres no reason for it to happen.

 

[Floydical]

To the original post, you make all the right points here. He has EMS, so why bother switching to MS? Even more so, he no longer has his original eyes, he has Itachi's, so the old MS pattern we know should not exist in his new eyes.

Everyone defending the switching idea is simply defending Kishi and not thinking this through. Not only is there no reason to go back to MS, but its a serious inconsistency with what we know. EMS is supposed to be permanent, why would anyone switch back to the eye that lets you go blind? If the combination of, or exchange of, eyes forms a combined pattern, how would one ever go back to that original pattern afterward?

I honestly think there is something wrong here. Its not a mistake, it was done intentionally. I think it has something to do with Izanami, considering the first time we saw this mistake was right after Itachi used it and was released from Edo. The bottom line is that we have no indication from the manga that switching is possible and no point to Sasuke showing MS vs. EMS against the Kages. None of it makes sense.

Well it happened twice so i don't think it's a mistake.
Sasuke is holding back his power and not revealing everything to the Kages.
After all he hasn't decided what he wants to do,so it would be stupid to reveal his full potentials to the Hokages.

Actually it happened 3 times, the first time being just after Itachi was released from Edo tensei. But the whole 'holding back his power' argument is totally naive and lacks good backing. Hashirama and Tobirama both know the requirements to getting MS, which means they know Sasuke has killed someone close to him and has already descended into darkness. The only difference between the requirements between MS and EMS is that he has to kill his brother on top of someone close, in Sasuke's case its both.

So there is no reason to believe they would be any more lenient with him even if he showed EMS. And there is no significant power increase between MS and EMS either, just the fact that EMS is permanent and thus allows the user more time to master his techniques. If MS didn't make you go blind, you would still be able to achieve the same powers as you can with the EMS.

whats the point from switching from EMS to MS ......there is no point

MS makes you lose light and you still have the same techs as you do in EMS but EMS doesn't lose light so there's no point from switching from EMS back to MS so i think it was a mistake or just bad shadowing on his part.

Exactly. All these people trying to defend this point are not thinking about it accurately. There is actually no point in using MS when you have EMS. In fact, it would be a serious risk if it was possible because you are risking your own sight again.

i think he can switch from MS to EMS, just like Madara switched from basic sharingan to EMS, then to Rinnegan.

This is a false statement. He never showed MS, he went straight from 3-tomoe to EMS to Rinnegan. Edit: So you edited your post after you realized Madara never actually showed his MS?

 

[captainEO]

To the original post, you make all the right points here. He has EMS, so why bother switching to MS? Even more so, he no longer has his original eyes, he has Itachi's, so the old MS pattern we know should not exist in his new eyes.

Everyone defending the switching idea is simply defending Kishi and not thinking this through. Not only is there no reason to go back to MS, but its a serious inconsistency with what we know. EMS is supposed to be permanent, why would anyone switch back to the eye that lets you go blind? If the combination of, or exchange of, eyes forms a combined pattern, how would one ever go back to that original pattern afterward?

I honestly think there is something wrong here. Its not a mistake, it was done intentionally. I think it has something to do with Izanami, considering the first time we saw this mistake was right after Itachi used it and was released from Edo. The bottom line is that we have no indication from the manga that switching is possible and no point to Sasuke showing MS vs. EMS against the Kages. None of it makes sense.



Actually it happened 3 times, the first time being just after Itachi was released from Edo tensei. But the whole 'holding back his power' argument is totally naive and lacks good backing. Hashirama and Tobirama both know the requirements to getting MS, which means they know Sasuke has killed someone close to him and has already descended into darkness. The only difference between the requirements between MS and EMS is that he has to kill his brother on top of someone close, in Sasuke's case its both.

So there is no reason to believe they would be any more lenient with him even if he showed EMS. And there is no significant power increase between MS and EMS either, just the fact that EMS is permanent and thus allows the user more time to master his techniques. If MS didn't make you go blind, you would still be able to achieve the same powers as you can with the EMS.



Exactly. All these people trying to defend this point are not thinking about it accurately. There is actually no point in using MS when you have EMS. In fact, it would be a serious risk if it was possible because you are risking your own sight again.



This is a false statement. He never showed MS, he went straight from 3-tomoe to EMS to Rinnegan. Edit: So you edited your post after you realized Madara never actually showed his MS?

Exactly. These are points that I make. I think Kishi is just being sloppy quite annoyingly so. He's actually (excuse my French) sh!tting on a character.

What boggles me is that Sasuke using MS makes NO sense whatsoever yet he continually draws Sasuke's MS pattern. Like wtf, can imagine that coming from the mangaka?

 

[Floydical]

Exactly. These are points that I make. I think Kishi is just being sloppy quite annoyingly so. He's actually (excuse my French) sh!tting on a character.

What boggles me is that Sasuke using MS makes NO sense whatsoever yet he continually draws Sasuke's MS pattern. Like wtf, can imagine that coming from the mangaka?

Agreed, its a serious slap in the face to the character he created. Other than doing it on purpose for some reason, the only other explanation I can think of if that Kishi is tired of drawing the complicated EMS pattern he created. I mean the EMS pattern itself is pretty messed up and is clearly hard to draw. We also know how much Kishi liked the original MS pattern since he made it so complicated in the first place to set Sasuke apart. Maybe he just made up this excuse to draw his old favorite pattern again.

 

[Aertes]

Actually it happened 3 times, the first time being just after Itachi was released from Edo tensei. But the whole 'holding back his power' argument is totally naive and lacks good backing. Hashirama and Tobirama both know the requirements to getting MS, which means they know Sasuke has killed someone close to him and has already descended into darkness. The only difference between the requirements between MS and EMS is that he has to kill his brother on top of someone close, in Sasuke's case its both.

So there is no reason to believe they would be any more lenient with him even if he showed EMS.And there is no significant power increase between MS and EMS either, just the fact that EMS is permanent and thus allows the user more time to master his techniques. If MS didn't make you go blind, you would still be able to achieve the same powers as you can with the EMS.

I believe you skipped some of the last chapters.Tobirama explained that someone has to go through pain and despair to awaken MS.Killing someone close to you is not a requirement.Sasuke didn't kill anybody,neither did Obito.They both awakened MS though.Killing is not requirement for MS.
We saw Sasuke in battles after obtaining EMS having better stamina and be able to spam MS techniques.I believe there is a big difference to be able to spam MS jutsu and not having to worry about going blind.EMS takes all the drawbacks away,it's a significant increase of power.And I don't know why you conclude that from just switching to MS you have serious risks.
Sasuke didn't use any techniques for the blindness effect to kick in.
I just think that Sasuke wants to keep some aces in his sleeve,like everybody else would if he had to go against such powerful enemies.

 

[Floydical]

I believe you skipped some of the last chapters.Tobirama explained that someone has to go through pain and despair to awaken MS.Killing someone close to you is not a requirement.Sasuke didn't kill anybody,neither did Obito.They both awakened MS though.Killing is not requirement for MS.
We saw Sasuke in battles after obtaining EMS having better stamina and be able to spam MS techniques.I believe there is a big difference to be able to spam MS jutsu and not having to worry about going blind.EMS takes all the drawbacks away,it's a significant increase of power.And I don't know why you conclude that from just switching to MS you have serious risks.
Sasuke didn't use any techniques for the blindness effect to kick in.
I just think that Sasuke wants to keep some aces in his sleeve,like everybody else would if he had to go against such powerful enemies.

It doesn't change the fact that Tobirama said that an uchiha who has unlocked MS has descended into darkness. The fact that he showed them MS is reason enough for them to think ill of him, as Tobirama already has. I know you don't have to kill someone to unlock MS, but Sasuke did that directly before unlocking MS (Itachi remember?), so it applies to him.

As for EMS, we know it prevents blindness and negates the effects of overuse, but that doesn't necessarily mean it increases his stamina a lot. Yes he can spam things a lot more now without fatigue, but that can be mostly explained by it negating the negative effects of blindness and recoil, not necessarily an increase in stamina. And yes there would be great risks to switching back to MS, namely the blindness he had already accumulated. If going back to MS is possible (which makes no sense imo) then its possible his blurred vision would come with it. Now since he does have new eyes, perhaps its possible they are not blurred yet, but if we accept the idea that his new eyes can recreate a lost pattern that only existed in his old eyes, than perhaps his MS blurred vision comes with it.

Aces up his sleeve? Not really. MS can do anything EMS can do, just with greater risks. Sasuke has developed his Susanoo through multiple stages, both when he only had MS and now with his EMS. If he never unlocked EMS, he would have still been able to get Susanoo to this point if blindness wasn't a factor. If he can kill someone quickly with EMS, he can do it with MS.

I think you simply overestimate the power increase from MS to EMS and fail to see how ridiculous the idea of going back to MS from EMS really sounds.

 

[Kakaisan]

To all those saying "oh, he can switch between them. Duh!", all of you have yet to answer my simple question as to why he would want that, which I asked in all the other threads as well.

So, why would Sasuke prefer to use the MS over the EMS, while there's nothing to gain from doing so, atleast for as far as we know. Hell, it actually has major setbacks:
First of all, even though we have yet to see real conformation, it seems as that the EMS does grant the user a boost in power.
Second, and most importantly, would Sasuke risk losing the light in Itachi's eyes? The MS has the risky factor of losing your vision just by using it, which the EMS doesn't have.

 

[captainEO]

Agreed, its a serious slap in the face to the character he created. Other than doing it on purpose for some reason, the only other explanation I can think of if that Kishi is tired of drawing the complicated EMS pattern he created. I mean the EMS pattern itself is pretty messed up and is clearly hard to draw. We also know how much Kishi liked the original MS pattern since he made it so complicated in the first place to set Sasuke apart. Maybe he just made up this excuse to draw his old favorite pattern again.

Yeah, I think that's the case. He just finds it difficult to draw. But wow is that a cop out, wow. I can't believe Kishi does that. Considering he's the one who made it so elaborate going so far as to invert the black pattern in the other eye.

But I still can't believe he omits it. It's such an important part of Sasuke's power, I mean manga is art, it's a visual thing. What scares me is knowing that if he can do this, what else is he excluding? What's he willing to exclude? Wow

 

[kunlebade]

Well if you have the EMS, it only makes sense if you can switch over across sharigan-mangekyou sharigan - eternal mangekyou shrarigan. So twas no mistake.

Okay, a few weeks ago i noticed something in one of the manga chapters that i thought of as a little weird.I did a little research and it came to me that it was a huge mistake on kishimoto's part.In manga chapter 620,page 1

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Sasuke is seen activating his 'eyes'. But hasn't sasuke acquired the enternal mangekyou sharingan?Which looks like this in manga chapter 553,page 15.

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Sasuke's EMS looks like his previous Mangekyou sharingan,in manga chapter 620,which he first awakened after hearing the truth about itachi form Tobi,but that was in the past when he had HIS eyes.After he implanted Itachi's eyes he acquired the EMS.And chapter 620 took place when he had the EMS not the MS,then why did his eyes had the MS and not the EMS in chapter 620?U_U
Seems legit?

 

[Arugon]

Well don't you think it would be a little suspicious to the Kages if Sasuke's main reason to seek revenge is for his brother and clan, but he has Itachi's eyes... That would seem a little contradicting and hard to explain.

 

[cmilius]

Ms and ems are the same buddy. ms give you the technics but when you are using them on a regular basis, you can will go blind. ems is also the ms except no blindness and a little increase on raw power and also helps the user to fixate the ps and a new technic that is all.
This is the answer you are looking for. look at madara case, he doesn't have his own ms eyes again but he did used it against the alliance when he was fighting naruto's clone and he can switches eyes from sharingan, ms, ems then rinnegan. so can sasuke.

 

[Floydical]

Ms and ems are the same buddy. ms give you the technics but when you are using them on a regular basis, you can will go blind. ems is also the ms except no blindness and a little increase on raw power and also helps the user to fixate the ps and a new technic that is all.
This is the answer you are looking for. look at madara case, he doesn't have his own ms eyes again but he did used it against the alliance when he was fighting naruto's clone and he can switches eyes from sharingan, ms, ems then rinnegan. so can sasuke.

Someone posted this before and corrected himself because this statement is false. Madara did not switch from 3-tomoe to MS, EMS and then Rinnegan, he only switched from 3-tomoe to EMS then Rinnegan. Please check the manga before making false statements.

 

[Itachi Sarutobi]

For f*ck's sake, where was it stated that people can't switch between MS and EMS freely.

Where was it stated they can? Seriously being able to switch between MS and EMS is pointless. EMS is better in every aspect

 

[Kronnic]

The question should be what would be the point of being able to switch from EMS to MS theres no reason for it to happen.

I can think of one right now.... You simply don't show everyone your abilities unless it's a death match.

 

[Joki]

Do you really think Kishi legitimately forgot about Sasuke having EMS, the new powerup with a completely new design he's been consistently writing and getting correct for quite some time now? It's not something like Kishi forgetting Kakashi's scar in one panel or accidentally putting a leaf headband on Pain, plus he has editors and it's something so stupidly obvious it'd be ridiculous if not intentional.

If it was a "mistake" all of his editors would be fired for missing such an obvious thing, and IIRC Kishi has written his MS as MS activated and not EMS more than once in the hokage meeting in 2 separate chapters now.

Madara shouldn't be able to activate EMS then and then later activate rinnegan, or any sharingan user shouldn't be able to use 3 tomoe after unlocking MS, I don't see the difference at all here.

He can switch between them.
People are trying to catch Kishi sleeping but it always turns out to be a fail.

Yeah, exactly man I literally couldn't have put it better.

 

[Draxus]

To all those saying "oh, he can switch between them. Duh!", all of you have yet to answer my simple question as to why he would want that, which I asked in all the other threads as well.

So, why would Sasuke prefer to use the MS over the EMS, while there's nothing to gain from doing so, atleast for as far as we know. Hell, it actually has major setbacks:
First of all, even though we have yet to see real conformation, it seems as that the EMS does grant the user a boost in power.
Second, and most importantly, would Sasuke risk losing the light in Itachi's eyes? The MS has the risky factor of losing your vision just by using it, which the EMS doesn't have.

He never actually USED MS, so you question doesn't make sense to me. He was just showing that he has advanced beyond a normal sharingon, he wasn't using any abilities. Strategically a good move no to show how far he has progressed.

 

[SagemodejubihostSasuke]

I think he did it out of respect for itachi sense it is itachi and eyes and does not want to talk about destroying the leaf with those eyes sense itachi wanted the leaf to grow and prosper. That why he switch to mgs.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Why would you be able to switch between ms and ems.. ems is just ms that doesn't make you blind.. the ms is from you're own eyes the ems from the transplanted eyes of your relative..

I think it's a mistake from kishi..

 

[Imm0rtal bAstard]

It seems he can switch between them. Maybe the EMS needs more chakra than MS.