Misconceptions : Juubito > Madara

[RikudoKami]

Nah 1 rinnegan Sage mode Madara can beat Juubito with Med-high diff.

 

[Wolfus]

Well at least you recognize that the tree obito left behind should have been powerless and couldnt empower madara.

While madara sure had more beast he clearly lacked in controlling sage power if near dead obito can steal chakra from him

That will obviously be explained. However, as I said, whatever power the tree had, it is irrelevant, as madara has what obito had, and even more.

Well, actually it was kyuubi jinchuriki obito. And as madara said, "you're weak, you were barely able to steal a piec of ichibi and hachibi"

Off topic: For those who didn't notice, this is the guy that believes, or believed that juubito>=madara.

 

[Tobi98]

Nah 1 rinnegan Sage mode Madara can beat Juubito with Med-high diff.

Okay that's just stupid

 

[Bronze]

A jinchuuriki isn't judged on his strength based on the level of power of the Bijuu. However, Madara is stronger than Juubito even before becoming jinchuuriki. So, Madara becoming jinchuuriki would make him even stronger.

 

[Wolfus]

A jinchuuriki isn't judged on his strength based on the level of power of the Bijuu. However, Madara is stronger than Juubito even before becoming jinchuuriki. So, Madara becoming jinchuuriki would make him even stronger.

I disagree. If we get 2 shinobis equal in strength, and give them 2 different bijuus. One bijuu is stronger, so the one who gets it, will be the stronger jinchuriki.
As for madara and obito, I'm not even considering their base form. But the fact that one has the hachibi and 50% kurama powering him up, and the other doesn'yt, should already give us a hint of who is stronger. Add the fact that base madara is stronger than base obito, the equation is done.

As for alive madara being stronger, I can't really. I don't think he was stronger than juuubito.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That will obviously be explained. However, as I said, whatever power the tree had, it is irrelevant, as madara has what obito had, and even more.

Well, actually it was kyuubi jinchuriki obito. And as madara said, "you're weak, you were barely able to steal a piec of ichibi and hachibi"

Off topic: For those who didn't notice, this is the guy that believes, or believed that juubito>=madara.

Hopefully it will.

No technically black zetsu was kyuubi jin, obito just gained control over him, it brought no enhancement whatsoever.

Madara stating shit is irrelevant, he also said he was above hashirama at VoTE how did it play out for him?

Its not even expected for any one in good condition to steal any chakra from juubi jin, it took whole SA empowered with kyuubi chakra to take it from Jin Obito while Obito stole some on his own on a verge of death.
It occurs to me that people go more with talk madara is giving rather then using whatever left of their brain cells.

So yes despite having less bijuus and juubi chakra i find Obito much better skilled as jin by this subtle feats thus probably stronger unless madara truly displays something.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Great thread and I completly agree

The Juubi didn't transform into God Tree before it was sealed in Obito. Also when Obito released the Juubi then it was not in form of God Tree from get go, but it was brought in form of monster we saw last time, then it turned into God Tree just moment later. Following this logic it is safe to say that Obito Have not been Jin of God Tree even once.

Also I completly agree and approve Madara having more amount of tailed beasts in opposite to Obito.

Madara absorbing The God Tree in himself actually put him above Obito , due to Obito having one form before God Tree in himself sealed then only after releasing it , then it turned into God tree so it still lacked some nature energy which it recovered to transfer

Great thread and explain everything , + rep for you

EDIT: Your title was confusing, next time please reffer to Madara as Ten tails host, Juubi Jin or Juubidara so we don't confuse him with in none jin state, Thank you

 

[Aya San]

AlphaScythian's post made me chuckle, thanks

 

[Wolfus]

Hopefully it will.

No technically black zetsu was kyuubi jin, obito just gained control over him, it brought no enhancement whatsoever.

Madara stating shit is irrelevant, he also said he was above hashirama at VoTE how did it play out for him?

Its not even expected for any one in good condition to steal any chakra from juubi jin, it took whole SA empowered with kyuubi chakra to take it from Jin Obito while Obito stole some on his own on a verge of death.
It occurs to me that people go more with talk madara is giving rather then using whatever left of their brain cells.

So yes despite having less bijuus and juubi chakra i find Obito much better skilled as jin by this subtle feats thus probably stronger unless madara truly displays something.

Although black zetsu was the jin, obito had control of him, and thus, acess to the kyuubi. Hence why he was able to seal it in naruto as he wished.

That was just madara wanking himself. My point is that, as madara said, obito was barely able to take off anything. Besides, that only happened because madara was surprised.
In his tug war with the SA, that was expected by obito. Besides, a part of the chakra was taken of naturally. That was needed to take of ALL the bijuu.
Obito only took a piece of it.

I don't think he is more skilled, but yeah, he was more impressive, so far.

 

[BK 201]

I'm kinda disappointed you even gave those people the time of day to make this. There are very few people who believe this compared to the majority and most likely, those few people will not be swayed by this thread despite it being done well or not (your thread does prove it btw). But this was just pointless as only the ignorant believe Juubi Jin Obito > Juubi Jin Maddy and you're wasting your time trying to convince the ignorant. You know better than that Wolfus :/

 

[ReverseZero12]

This has got to be a joke. People think jubito is stronger than juubidara? I did not know people like them even existed.

Anyway great thread.

 

[Wolfus]

I'm kinda disappointed you even gave those people the time of day to make this. There are very few people who believe this compared to the majority and most likely, those few people will not be swayed by this thread despite it being done well or not (your thread does prove it btw). But this was just pointless as only the ignorant believe Juubi Jin Obito > Juubi Jin Maddy and you're wasting your time trying to convince the ignorant. You know better than that Wolfus :/

Yes, I know it's barely useful. But since I wasn't doing anything, I gave it try.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Great thread and I completly agree

The Juubi didn't transform into God Tree before it was sealed in Obito. Also when Obito released the Juubi then it was not in form of God Tree from get go, but it was brought in form of monster we saw last time, then it turned into God Tree just moment later. Following this logic it is safe to say that Obito Have not been Jin of God Tree even once.

Juubi is the god tree, and obito was the one to summon it. So it kinda controversial there.
I may agree however that initiall juubi wasnt mature enough for its final tree form.

Although black zetsu was the jin, obito had control of him, and thus, acess to the kyuubi. Hence why he was able to seal it in naruto as he wished.

That was just madara wanking himself. My point is that, as madara said, obito was barely able to take off anything. Besides, that only happened because madara was surprised.
In his tug war with the SA, that was expected by obito. Besides, a part of the chakra was taken of naturally. That was needed to take of ALL the bijuu.
Obito only took a piece of it.

I don't think he is more skilled, but yeah, he was more impressive, so far.

Doesnt matter that obito was in control, he didnt use kyuubi's power, on the contrary it was a burden for him to resist BZ.
It just like naruto hosting it, no KCM no empowerment U_U

Maybe the punch was a surprise but then he was fully aware of obito's intention about bijuus.
Saying one is weak yet having your chakra stolen from you, makes madara look like joke.
Im sorry but that how it is, if obito would be in top condition and not hanging to life by a thread called black zetsu how much more would he steal? Now think what would it be if obito was a juubi jin? He would leave madara devoid of juubi power U_U

 

[Wolfus]

Juubi is the god tree, and obito was the one to summon it. So it kinda controversial there.
I may agree however that initiall juubi wasnt mature enough for its final tree form.



Doesnt matter that obito was in control, he didnt use kyuubi's power, on the contrary it was a burden for him to resist BZ.
It just like naruto hosting it, no KCM no empowerment U_U

Maybe the punch was a surprise but then he was fully aware of obito's intention about bijuus.
Saying one is weak yet having your chakra stolen from you, makes madara look like joke.
Im sorry but that how it is, if obito would be in top condition and not hanging to life by a thread called black zetsu how much more would he steal? Now think what would it be if obito was a juubi jin? He would leave madara devoid of juubi power U_U

Well, having a frendly bijju inside of you does have it's perks, naturally.
When madara got aware of his intentions, obito barely managed to take anything else. Madara was easily able to get rid of him after that.
Madara barely felt that remotion. And let's say we had two juubi jins, then, to take all of mdara's power, he would enter the tug war, and madara would remove him after that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well, having a frendly bijju inside of you does have it's perks, naturally.
When madara got aware of his intentions, obito barely managed to take anything else. Madara was easily able to get rid of him after that.
Madara barely felt that remotion. And let's say we had two juubi jins, then, to take all of mdara's power, he would enter the tug war, and madara would remove him after that.

And how exactly that friendly biju helped? I saw no action from it. You better drop kyuubi argument, its futile.

I dont care if madara felt that remotion this little tug of war he already lost.
Now Obito as a jin had 7 bijus madara had 8.5, 7/8.5 = 82% of madaras power.
Taking into account that near devoid of chakra and life force obito who just a moment b4 wasnt even expected to stand on his own feet, im more then convinced that obito would overcome remaining 18% in tug of war.

 

[Goetia]

Juubito>Juudara in terms of design. Strength-wise is as you said.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Feats Trump Hype. Here are some of Madara's feats

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Here are some of Obito's feats

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A picture says a thousand words, so consider that a 4112 word essay on why Madara is overrated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, only the Obitard wankers will say he's stronger than Jin Madara when the manga already said otherwise.

 

[Wolfus]

Feats Trump Hype. Here are some of Madara's feats

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A picture says a thousand words, so consider that a 4112 word essay on why Madara is overrated.

Madara simply didn't show it, doesn't mean he can't do it. Besides, it's not hype. It's logic. And logic that was proven by the manga with minato's statement.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Madara simply didn't show it, doesn't mean he can't do it. Besides, it's not hype. It's logic. And logic that was proven by the manga with minato's statement.

Minato's statement was the Hype. Unprooven hype is nothing.