Misconception: Shisui had two different MS techniques

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Alright it's often contested on the base whether or not Shisui had KA in both eyes or if he had a different genjustu in the eye that he gave to Danzo. I want to establish that Shisui did in fact have KA in both of his eyes and that Danzo did in fact use KA on Mifune

First, I want to note that Danzo did have MS. It's shown here that Shisui had MS in both eyes before he died:
Second, both Itachi and Ao referred to the genjustu Danzo used the and the genjutsu the crow used as "one of the most powerful eye techniques" and "the ultimate genjustu":

Ao-
Itachi-
Also note that they're both referring to a singular technique of Shisui's. So they were referring to KA

Third, both of these techniques basically control their opponents at the users whim. In Danzo's case Ao noted that Mifune couldn't even notice it. In Itachi's case, it was noted that KA overrode the ultimate control of Edo Tensei (I'm pretty sure that this one is common knowledge)

Fourth, both techniques required Hashirama's DNA to avoid the 10 year time limit on using these tech. So Danzo had Hashirama's DNA in his arm to counter the time limit:
And Itachi directly stated that KA could be used repeatedly if the user had Hashirama's DNA:

So with all that being said, I think it's pretty obvious that Shisui had KA in both of his eyes, and that Danzo had KA. But of course people have very common counter arguments that I want to address:

-Ao would have said that Danzo had KA. My problem with this is that Ao would not have known what genjustu Shisui was using on him when they first fought. He would have just seen the effects and learned about how powerful it was from seeing it with his byakugan

-Danzo kept sending multiple commands to Mifune while Itachi only received the one command "protect Konoha". My problem with this argument is that Danzo was trying to be discreet about controlling Mifune because of the delicate situation he was in; all the crow had to do was order "protect Konoha" and Itachi/Sasuke would have joined Naruto's side immediately. If Danzo had simply ordered Mifune to "choose Danzo as the leader of the alliance," Mifune then would have stopped being controlled and may have not been able to justify his previous action. Danzo didn't know that Mifune was going to select him, so to be sure he chose himself and gave a good excuse as why the other Kage's shouldn't be the leaders of the alliance. That's why he had to send multiple commands instead of just saying "choose Danzo"

-MS users need to have a unique technique in each eye so that they can unlock Susanno. This is pure speculation, we don't know if you're supposed to have two different MS tech's in each eye. I know that Sasuke and Itachi do, but we hardly know anything else about the four other Mangekyo Sharingan users and what techs they have, had, or might have had if they were alive

So Shisui had KA in both of his eyes, and Danzo had KA. I honestly think that Kishi messed up and realized that he wanted Danzo and Itachi to have KA after Shisui's death so he gave Shisui the same tech in both eyes. But the point is that Danzo did have KA, it wasn't just unique to Shisui's left eye

Do you guys agree?
 
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people still argue that? xD wow i thought it was obvious at this point lol, but well said, except that i think kishi has a plan for it in the end, after all i believe somewhere it was said that susanoo was rare even among MS users
 

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Wow....you've done your research. I thought Danzo didn't have the MS and that he got a 3t sharingan. People are still gonna argue though but i do like learning new things so thanks.
 

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I thought it was obvious that Shisui could use Kotoamatsukami in both eyes! Danzo used one eye and Itachi used the other, it shouldn't be a misconception.

Also in order to use Susanoo all you have to do is unlock the MS and be an Uchiha.
Tsukyomi and Amaterasu come automatically as the result of awakening MS therefore Susanoo is as well.
 

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people still argue that? xD wow i thought it was obvious at this point lol, but well said, except that i think kishi has a plan for it in the end, after all i believe somewhere it was said that susanoo was rare even among MS users
I thought it was obvious that Shisui could use Kotoamatsukami in both eyes! Danzo used one eye and Itachi used the other, it shouldn't be a misconception.

Also in order to use Susanoo all you have to do is unlock the MS and be an Uchiha.
Tsukyomi and Amaterasu come automatically as the result of awakening MS therefore Susanoo is as well.
Yah some people still contest it because of the minor differences that I highlighted. I think it's obvious that both eyes had KA, but I made this thread to prove it
 

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To be honest, when Itachi gave Sasuke the power to awaken Amaterasu, he used his left eye to cast it and his right eye to manipulate it (maybe it was vice versa) but then he unlocked Tsukiyomi and he could then use that with his left eye only (have I got the wrong eyes here? haha) basically, the point is, 1 MS tech you can use both eyes for it. 2 MS techniques, so far, have been eye specific. Susanoo, which apparently isn't common in Uchihas can only be unlocked when the 2 MS techs have been, so I doubt Shisui could have it because I think he only had the 1 tech. Also I think even if he did have the second tech, he still couldn't use it :p

haha, I am definitely not a Uchiha fanboy and probably not the best person to talk about them. But I think my post is somewhat accurate xD
 

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Show me the page. I remember him saying it was rare, not what you said.
yup you're right, but isn't that basically the same thing? tobi saying that eyes that can awaken susanoo are rare practically means that it can't be awakened by everyone. Itachi said that there had been countless sacrifices of best friends and clansmen to gain ms and ems, yet Tobi said that, imo there were only ever the 4 brothers who could use susanoo; madara/izuna and itachi/sasuke. the others had different ms techniques.
 

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Wow....you've done your research. I thought Danzo didn't have the MS and that he got a 3t sharingan. People are still gonna argue though but i do like learning new things so thanks.
 

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yup you're right, but isn't that basically the same thing? tobi saying that eyes that can awaken susanoo are rare practically means that it can't be awakened by everyone. Itachi said that there had been countless sacrifices of best friends and clansmen to gain ms and ems, yet Tobi said that, imo there were only ever the 4 brothers who could use susanoo; madara/izuna and itachi/sasuke. the others had different ms techniques.
He is right. If you have MS, it doesnt mean you are able to awake Susanoo. Tobi said that. And Itachi explained it: With Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi i am able to awake 3rd jutsu; Susano'o. Sasuke has both of them too but his tsukuyomi is not good as Itachi's Tsukuyomi but i belive Sasuke's amaterasu/ amaterasu control is better than itachi. Anyway sasuke has both of them too. We are just knowing them for now. " Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi = Susano'o " So it is possible for Shisui has same jutsu in both eyes. There is no rule for it like you must have 1 jutsu for per eye.
 
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