Misconception: People think Nagato was the best user of rinnegan

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As the title says, many people think that Nagato was the best user of the rinnegan. Now I can see why someone would think that and it actually makes sense. After all, Nagato trained with the rinnegan his whole life and was shown to use it way more often than Madara, Sasuke or Obito. However, I propose to you that using it more often or using a greater quantity of techniques does not necessarily make Nagato superior to the other rinnegan users.

In fact, I propose to you that by feats Nagato was probably one of the least effective rinnegan users. Here is why:

Let's look at some feats:

Madara: With the power of only one of his rinnegan eyes, Madara easily soloed all 9 bijuus along with BSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, BM Bee, and Tobirama. As an edo with both eyes he beat edo Hashirama, the 5 kages and he devastated the 4th division of the allied shinobi forces using the power of two enormously devastating meteors. Later as Rikudou Madara, he rained chibaku tensei meteors on the alliance.

Now let's move on to Sasuke

Sasuke: With Sasuke's rinnegan eye, he controlled and sealed away all 9 bijuus in mere seconds (even faster than Madara). He was also able to give Rikudou Madara a hard time for awhile and he fought on par with RSM Naruto. He was even able to survive the battle with Kaguya Otsutsuki and fight on par with Kinshiki.


Now while you should take all of those things into consideration, there are 2 specific similarities between Madara's and Sasuke's list of rinnegan feats that I would like to point out. Those similarities are:

1. Their treatment of the bijuus
2. Chibaku tensei


Why do those two things specifically matter you ask? Well, let's look at Nagato's performance with regards to these two things:

During Naruto's battle with Pain, Pain could barely deal with a 6 tailed form of Naruto. His signature shinra tensei was ineffective and his chibaku tensei couldn't even fully contain 8 tailed Naruto (and Nagato put all of his might into that one to the point that he actually bled from the nose). Note that these were 6 and 8 tailed partial transformations that Nagato was largely ineffective against.

Meanwhile, Madara and Sasuke were able to easily deal with all 9 full bijuus (technically 8.5 bijuus due to Kurama being split, but close enough) within seconds (minutes in Madara's case).

You may argue that healthy edo Nagato was better representative of Nagato's power with the rinnegan, but even then Nagato's chibaku tensei still showcased the weakness of being able to be destroyed if an opponent attacks the core with powerful long range techniques. This is a weakness that Madara's and Sasuke's chibaku tenseis didn't have. Furthermore, nothing insinuated that edo Nagato's chibaku tensei could deal with an 8 tailed Naruto any better than it did in the battle between Naruto and Pain.

Madara's chibaku tensei brought devastation to the battle field and his limbo soloed the two shinobi who beat a 10 tails jinchuuriki with ease. Sasuke's chibaku tensei captured all 9 bijuus like they were pokemon and Sasuke was Ash Ketchum.

The prowess and efficency that Madara and Sasuke showed with the rinnegan (being able to dominate within minutes or seconds with only one or two moves) is effectiveness and power that Nagato failed to show. It is clear that Madara and Sasuke are more effective rinnegan users than Nagato despite Nagato using it more.

It could be argued that even Obito was somewhat more effective with it. Let's look at the following jutsu:

Six Paths of Pain

Nagato used corpses that presumably had no special abilities in life for his six paths of pain, and the corpses weren't very durable. In general it only took one good rasengan from SM Naruto to destroy his pains.

Meanwhile, Obito did something smart and effective by using jinchuuriki and resealing their bijuus into them and by actually letting them use powers that they had in life. These pains gave KCM Naruto and Bee such a hard time. Obito also actually used the mazou in battle (something that Nagato could have done but chose not to besides once long ago). Obito was clearly more effective in a sense.

Momoshiki is more obvious. He actually successfully kidnapped and almost killed RSM hokage Naruto. He burned rinnegan Sasuke's face and was deemed a threat greater than Kaguya.

In summary, it is true that Nagato used the rinnegan more than everyone else. However, the actions showcased by the likes of Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Momoshiki greatly outclass those of Nagato. The opponents that the afforementioned people have soloed along with the ease with which they soloed these people show far more effective usage of the rinnegan than Nagato's struggling against everyone.

Thank you for reading. This is not a bash thread, so please no rudeness.
 

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Nagato was smart with the rinnegan but wasn't as skilled as Madara and Sasuke and lacked the spiritual energy(Yin) to utilize it as they did.
 

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Actually I would still argue that Nagato is the best rennin an user. The true power of the rennigan is when you have both eyes and the original user has them as they are capstone. Nagato with a weakened body was able to control 6 different bodies at once and fight in coordination. Also use most of the rennigan abilities. The edit ensue version is technically slightly weaker than what he would be if alive and he still wasn't completely mobile. If he fought madara while healthy and completely mobile, he would have smashed. Also, edo madara lost to edo hashirama, reread that chapter.
 

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As i understand it, indra and ashura inherited the 2 great powers of the sage of six paths. Indra gained his doujustu and ashura got his senjustu.
These powers seem to pass down genetically to the uchiha and senju\ hyuga and uzumaki respectively.

Madara explained that nagato gained the eyes because he was an uzumaki so he had the ability to control the rinnegan. It is most likely do to the genetics of the uzumaki\senju however not haveing the doujustu ability of the uchiha he was unable to use the rinnegan to it full potential.
 

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As i understand it, indra and ashura inherited the 2 great powers of the sage of six paths. Indra gained his doujustu and ashura got his senjustu.
These powers seem to pass down genetically to the uchiha and senju\ hyuga and uzumaki respectively.

Madara explained that nagato gained the eyes because he was an uzumaki so he had the ability to control the rinnegan. It is most likely do to the genetics of the uzumaki\senju however not haveing the doujustu ability of the uchiha he was unable to use the rinnegan to it full potential.
Like where you were going with this; some minor tweaks, though:
~Hyuga abilities are inherited from the sage of six paths brother Hamura
~Nagato was given the eyes by Madara but because of his Uzumaki lineage, he was able to use them as well as he did.
Just minor things to help keep the NB sharks off your back ^^
 

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Nagato is definitely the weakest Rinnegan user of them all, hands down.

However, a lot of what you cited as evidence as Nagato being an inferior user has more to do with individual
prowess and ability than their skill in using the rinnegan.

A lot of what Madara and Sasuke did may not necessarily be due to a superiority in skill so much as a superiority
in power and being the original users. Madara and Sasuke had not demonstrated themselves to be as versatile
with the Rinnegan (demonstrating complete power and dominance but not as much flow from one path to the other).
This could be because they are not as skilled or because they simply didn't need to use the other paths like
Nagato did.

The point is, there is no clear way to really prove that Madara and Sasuke were better at using the rinnegan.
Their superior use of some of the abilities may have been a result of simply having greater chakra instead
of being better at using the skill. I suggest this because, for example, Sasuke couldn't use a jutsu and absorb
chakra at the same time, but Nagato could absorb Naruto's soul and absorb chakra at the same time, which
demonstrates greater proficiency.

The comparison of showing how Sasuke or Madara create better and stronger CT's is like comparing the world's
strongest and fastest man, on steroids, could beat a weak 5 year old in a sword fight.

The five year old may actually be more skilled with the sword, know how to twirl it better, deflect, parry, and
strike, but the man whoops the boy easily 10/10 and in other encounters, the man always fares better.
It looks like the man is more skilled, but if you gave the boy the man's body, then the boy would win.

This may not be the case with Nagato, but it is possible and a viable explanation for why even if he is more
skilled and proficient with the rinnegan, would not be able to remotely come close to accomplishing what
super powerful demigods with rikudo chakra could do.
 

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Like where you were going with this; some minor tweaks, though:
~Hyuga abilities are inherited from the sage of six paths brother Hamura
~Nagato was given the eyes by Madara but because of his Uzumaki lineage, he was able to use them as well as he did.
Just minor things to help keep the NB sharks off your back ^^

The Hyuga are the off-springs of Hagoromo this has been established in the Databook.
 

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Not the best, just showed the most use (as in using all of the paths) including multi-path'ing.
 

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Agreed, to all the doubters just think of the Sharingan, Itachi was the best user because he didn't always have to rely on Susano'o or spam his Mangekyo to defeat the majority of his opponents despite having some of the strongest techniques.

The best dojutsu users are the most effective dojutsu users, they only need one or two jutsu to defeat their opponents. Sasuke relies on his S/t while Madara relies on Limbo, anything else would make the fight way too easy for them.
 
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As the title says, many people think that Nagato was the best user of the rinnegan. Now I can see why someone would think that and it actually makes sense. After all, Nagato trained with the rinnegan his whole life and was shown to use it way more often than Madara, Sasuke or Obito. However, I propose to you that using it more often or using a greater quantity of techniques does not necessarily make Nagato superior to the other rinnegan users.

In fact, I propose to you that by feats Nagato was probably one of the least effective rinnegan users. Here is why:

Let's look at some feats:

Madara: With the power of only one of his rinnegan eyes, Madara easily soloed all 9 bijuus along with BSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, BM Bee, and Tobirama. As an edo with both eyes he beat edo Hashirama, the 5 kages and he devastated the 4th division of the allied shinobi forces using the power of two enormously devastating meteors. Later as Rikudou Madara, he rained chibaku tensei meteors on the alliance.

Now let's move on to Sasuke

Sasuke: With Sasuke's rinnegan eye, he controlled and sealed away all 9 bijuus in mere seconds (even faster than Madara). He was also able to give Rikudou Madara a hard time for awhile and he fought on par with RSM Naruto. He was even able to survive the battle with Kaguya Otsutsuki and fight on par with Kinshiki.


Now while you should take all of those things into consideration, there are 2 specific similarities between Madara's and Sasuke's list of rinnegan feats that I would like to point out. Those similarities are:

1. Their treatment of the bijuus
2. Chibaku tensei


Why do those two things specifically matter you ask? Well, let's look at Nagato's performance with regards to these two things:

During Naruto's battle with Pain, Pain could barely deal with a 6 tailed form of Naruto. His signature shinra tensei was ineffective and his chibaku tensei couldn't even fully contain 8 tailed Naruto (and Nagato put all of his might into that one to the point that he actually bled from the nose). Note that these were 6 and 8 tailed partial transformations that Nagato was largely ineffective against.

Meanwhile, Madara and Sasuke were able to easily deal with all 9 full bijuus (technically 8.5 bijuus due to Kurama being split, but close enough) within seconds (minutes in Madara's case).

You may argue that healthy edo Nagato was better representative of Nagato's power with the rinnegan, but even then Nagato's chibaku tensei still showcased the weakness of being able to be destroyed if an opponent attacks the core with powerful long range techniques. This is a weakness that Madara's and Sasuke's chibaku tenseis didn't have. Furthermore, nothing insinuated that edo Nagato's chibaku tensei could deal with an 8 tailed Naruto any better than it did in the battle between Naruto and Pain.

Madara's chibaku tensei brought devastation to the battle field and his limbo soloed the two shinobi who beat a 10 tails jinchuuriki with ease. Sasuke's chibaku tensei captured all 9 bijuus like they were pokemon and Sasuke was Ash Ketchum.

The prowess and efficency that Madara and Sasuke showed with the rinnegan (being able to dominate within minutes or seconds with only one or two moves) is effectiveness and power that Nagato failed to show. It is clear that Madara and Sasuke are more effective rinnegan users than Nagato despite Nagato using it more.

It could be argued that even Obito was somewhat more effective with it. Let's look at the following jutsu:

Six Paths of Pain

Nagato used corpses that presumably had no special abilities in life for his six paths of pain, and the corpses weren't very durable. In general it only took one good rasengan from SM Naruto to destroy his pains.

Meanwhile, Obito did something smart and effective by using jinchuuriki and resealing their bijuus into them and by actually letting them use powers that they had in life. These pains gave KCM Naruto and Bee such a hard time. Obito also actually used the mazou in battle (something that Nagato could have done but chose not to besides once long ago). Obito was clearly more effective in a sense.

Momoshiki is more obvious. He actually successfully kidnapped and almost killed RSM hokage Naruto. He burned rinnegan Sasuke's face and was deemed a threat greater than Kaguya.

In summary, it is true that Nagato used the rinnegan more than everyone else. However, the actions showcased by the likes of Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Momoshiki greatly outclass those of Nagato. The opponents that the afforementioned people have soloed along with the ease with which they soloed these people show far more effective usage of the rinnegan than Nagato's struggling against everyone.

Thank you for reading. This is not a bash thread, so please no rudeness.

Ive made a thread or 2 about this, some just dont see it but I agree.
 

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Actually I would still argue that Nagato is the best rennin an user. The true power of the rennigan is when you have both eyes and the original user has them as they are capstone. Nagato with a weakened body was able to control 6 different bodies at once and fight in coordination. Also use most of the rennigan abilities. The edit ensue version is technically slightly weaker than what he would be if alive and he still wasn't completely mobile. If he fought madara while healthy and completely mobile, he would have smashed. Also, edo madara lost to edo hashirama, reread that chapter.
No he wouldn't.
 

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so madara and sasuke were better users of the rinnegan than nagato because they were more powerful than him,ok.
 

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The Hyuga are the off-springs of Hagoromo this has been established in the Databook.
I assume you didn't watch the last? (I don't blame you)
Hamura told hinata that only those with his bloodline can destroy the tenseigan core, she awakens his chakra or whatever and destroys the tenseigan core (with naruto's help ofc)

OT. Probably.
 
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I assume you didn't watch the last? (I don't blame you)
Hamura told hinata that only those with his bloodline can destroy the tenseigan core, she awakens his chakra or whatever and destroys the tenseigan core (with naruto's help ofc)

OT. Probably.

Oh really? :Sparks:
Thanks for the info m8 :bdpf:

And yes, I didn't watch The Last. I hate Naruro Movies XD
 
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Nagato was definitely shown to be the best/most versatile with it. He showed what? Twice as many uses of rinnegan than anyone else? I'd even go as far to say 3 times tbh. The fact Edo Madz and Sasuke were more powerful and Hago enhanced means more credit for Nagato tbh.

OP forgot to mention that Pain had fought an entire village and destroyed it prior to fighting the 8 tails.

What did Nagato have going for him? Years xp and being an Uzumaki?

Meanwhile Madz had Hashi beans for years. Was Edo so he got plenty of practice. Original owner of the eyes. Indra transmigrant + Ashura chakra. EMS on top of that. Full-blooded Uchiha.

Sasuke was more or less the same with a Hago boost and a Hashi gift. OP, you're confusing skill with hand outs and chakra pools.
 
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Nagato was smart with the rinnegan but wasn't as skilled as Madara and Sasuke and lacked the spiritual energy(Yin) to utilize it as they did.


This ^
 

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Edo Madara didn't win vs Edo Hashi.. it was a stalemate..

OT: Nagato was the best user.. because:

1. Wasn't the original owner..
2. Wasn't from a dojutsu based clan..
3. Was immobilized..
 

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Its more accurate to say Nagato utilized Rinnegan the best, at its full potential. But in that sense he's 2nd to Hagoromo.

Now as for who used it at its strongest power, its between Madara and Sasuke. With the exception of Hagoromo obviously.

But it is kinda obvious, Nagato was the only shinobi who had Rinnegan since he was a child. So its fair to say he was the one with the most experience with it. Had he resurrected the Juubi and seal it within himself who would've been the strongest shinobi wielding Rinnegan.
 
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