MISCONCEPTION: Minato can't dodge Amaterasu

[Hafiz Dembos]

Kishi always contradicts himself, so no need for arguments . How is it even possible for minato to dodge raikage's speed, he does not have a sharingan or something that can see in slow motion.

 

[iSpeak]

why are we arguing then if that's the case. Let me check your posts and owarij.



what? barely able to dodge? Are you kidding me? Is this the sign of barely able to dodge?

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it is not about the distance covered because we are talking about the speed of amaterasu before it hits A. A dodges it the moment it touches him.

If you can dodge something that close then you are moving faster than the one coming at you. That's common sense.

Look back at my example. If amaterasu is moving at 500mph, then at 1m before it can hit A, it's speed will always be 500mph. So A dodging it, means that he was able to move faster than amaterasu at a certain point. This is his standpoint to where he landed.

As I always say, you can be faster to a certain point but not to whole distance.

By the way, you saying that you did not argue about reflex only means that your partner Owarij is done. He is out of the equation now because he believes that A uses his reflex to dodge than using speed. I woner how he will react to this and how will you react the moment we will find your post saying that A uses reflex alone to dodge amaterasu and not speed..good luck

I was obviously talking about the first time the Raikage came at Minato...

Yes it is about the distance covered!!! Do you realise that speed is distance over time?? I using the instance that Raikage started to dodge the Amaterasu... the Amaterasu was infront of him (but we cant tell how far infront because of the angle which we are looking at it from). Then in the next panel, it shows an after image of him and the Amaterasu is still infront of him (again, we cant tell the distance between him and the Amaterasu because of the angle which it is shown). Finally, on the next page we see that the Amaterasu was able to move from infront of the Raikage to hit the guy all the way at the back, wherease the Raikage had hardly moved from the last page. This means that Amaterasu wasn't that close to the Raikage before he started to dodge it... his enhance reaction time allowed him to start dodging before it came to close to him. Do you understand what I am saying? Since the Raikage kept traveling after he dodged the Amaterasu, and the Amaterasu kept traveling after it missed Raikage we can use this to see which was going faster.
You keep Amaterasu was "that close" but you don't have a clue how close it was whilst it was still infront of the Raikage so you cant use that to say Raikage is faster. The size of Amaterasu wasn't that big so the Raikage never had to move that much to dodge it. And since the Raikage never needed to move that much, this means the distance between Raikage and Amaterasu would have had to be very close for the "Raikage needs to be moving faster than Amaterasu" rule to take effect. Do you understand what I am saying?
I never saw Owarij say that reflex alone is all he used to dodge the Amaterasu... if there is no speed then how would he be able to dodge?
Bring me the quote of me saying that reflex is the only factor in dodging something then... I have been saying throughout that there are many factors to include when dodging something. You just havn't been reading my posts properly.

 

[ajpn920]

I was obviously talking about the first time the Raikage came at Minato...

Yes it is about the distance covered!!! Do you realise that speed is distance over time?? I using the instance that Raikage started to dodge the Amaterasu... the Amaterasu was infront of him (but we cant tell how far infront because of the angle which we are looking at it from). Then in the next panel, it shows an after image of him and the Amaterasu is still infront of him (again, we cant tell the distance between him and the Amaterasu because of the angle which it is shown). Finally, on the next page we see that the Amaterasu was able to move from infront of the Raikage to hit the guy all the way at the back, wherease the Raikage had hardly moved from the last page. This means that Amaterasu wasn't that close to the Raikage before he started to dodge it... his enhance reaction time allowed him to start dodging before it came to close to him. Do you understand what I am saying? Since the Raikage kept traveling after he dodged the Amaterasu, and the Amaterasu kept traveling after it missed Raikage we can use this to see which was going faster.
You keep Amaterasu was "that close" but you don't have a clue how close it was whilst it was still infront of the Raikage so you cant use that to say Raikage is faster. The size of Amaterasu wasn't that big so the Raikage never had to move that much to dodge it. And since the Raikage never needed to move that much, this means the distance between Raikage and Amaterasu would have had to be very close for the "Raikage needs to be moving faster than Amaterasu" rule to take effect. Do you understand what I am saying?
I never saw Owarij say that reflex alone is all he used to dodge the Amaterasu... if there is no speed then how would he be able to dodge?
Bring me the quote of me saying that reflex is the only factor in dodging something then... I have been saying throughout that there are many factors to include when dodging something. You just havn't been reading my posts properly.

here are some..not only reflex but reflex is a dominant factor and not speed..

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People keep saying Minato can dodge it because Raikage did... that is wrong.
In this situation, reflexes is the dominant factor in dodging the attack from that distance. Because of how small Amaterasu is, you don't need to move that far to dodge it so speed is really that dependent. Minato's reflexes are at V1 level so we can't be sure if he can dodge Amaterasu itself. But since you need to say "Amaterasu" before you use it, he can react to the words instead of Amaterasu itself. Either that, or can can luckily guess the exact moment the opponent uses Amaterasu. Would be hard though since it is shown you can stall Amaterasu from coming out after the eye bleeds.
If anything I said is wrong, someone please explain. Make sure it is someone who knows what they are talking about though.

Go and ask your parents if dodging a person means you have better reflexes.

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Like I said, speed plays a small roll in that situation. wether you are able to dodge in time or not is hugely determined by their reflexes.
You literally havn't explained how what I said was wrong... you just tried to label me a hater. I hate Minato because I think he cant dodge Amaterasu? ALL of my favourite characters can't dodge it either and ill admit that. Unlike 90% of people on here, I dont judge things on who I like more. Can't explain why I am wrong? For someone who has supposedly never lost a debate, you sure don't have a clue what you are talking about. I just wonder who in the world you have been debating against.

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Ofcourse Minato has fast reaction speed... noone can deny that. But are they fast enough to dodge a point blank Ama? Judging by the fact that Raikage went from V1 to V2 shows he more than likely cant in V1 (which is where Minato's reflexes are at).

No time to scan all...speed plays a small role? Do you realize that every movement speed comes along?

Reflex: the automatic response of a muscle to a stimulus

Even if you know that something is coming at you, when you don't have speed to avoid that then you'll get hit.

Take sasuke and lee's fight as an example: Sasuke has sharingan and was able to see lee but his body and speed can't react against lee's speed.

Whether it's V1 or V2, A's reflexes are the same. The difference is that the speed in V1 and speed in V2. One more thing, other scan have different translations.

As I said, if ama is moving at constant speed, then at 1m away from A, its speed will always be the same. A dodging it means he moves faster than ama at a certain point. It doesn't mean that he is faster if they were allowed to travel from earth to moon. FASTER AT A CERTAIN POINT! A's full speed is capable of dodging AMA so Minato reacting and dodging A's full speed means that he can dodge AMA.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Minato saw Raikage move, Raikage moves faster than Amaterasu, Minato will see Amaterasu move and teleport away.

 

[Avani]

Can you guys agree to disagree and leave it at that?