[Misconception]Kurama's chakra isn't powering-up Sasuke's techniques by 3x

[adeshina365]

There's a common misconception on this board (and others) that Kurama's chakra is powering up Sasuke's techniques by 3x based on this scan:

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Shikaku asks Kakashi about the difference between using the Kyuubi's chakra for his Kamui versus his own. Kakashi then responds that the difference amounts to at least 3x in favor of the Kyuubi's chakra. This is where the misconception is rooted, the 3 fold difference that Kakashi mentions is only with respect to his own chakra. Shikaku specifically says "...opposed to your own".

It's nonsensical to compare the power of Kakashi's chakra versus Sasuke's, especially since we know that the Uchiha's inherited the SO6P's powerful chakras:

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This applies even more so to Sasuke since he has the EMS, the pinnacle of Uchiha visual prowess.

Conclusion: The 3x improvement of the Kyuubi's chakra is specifically the power advantage of the Kyuubi's chakra with respect to Kakashi's chakra. This improvement will vary from individual to individual depending on how powerful there chakras are. As an Uchiha, Sasuke has been blessed with powerful chakras passed on from the S06P. As such, the Kyuubi's chakra will improve his techniques to a lesser degree than someone like Kakashi.​

Clarification:​

I'm not saying that Sasuke has more powerful chakra than the Kyuubi....

I'm stating that as an Uchiha (especially one with an EMS), his chakras are going to be far more powerful than the likes of Kakashi, and as such, the power delta between the Kyuubi's chakra and his own are smaller. Therefore, the relative improvement he'll obtain from the Kyuubi's chakra will be smaller.

This doesn't mean that Sasuke didn't get a boost from the Kyuubi's chakra, he did. No where in my post do I state otherwise.​

 

[Bogard]

You're right it doesn't power it up by 3folds only, but much more considering the fact Choji noticed the current chakra cloak is actually far important than the previous one [

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[Solo]

We all know Sasuke could make a Susano'o with legs without Kurama Chakra. Only the Sasuke haters or Naruto fanboys try to use that as an excuse.

 

[adeshina365]

You're right it doesn't power it up by 3folds only, but much more considering the fact Choji noticed the current chakra cloak is actually far important than the previous one [

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], which is also far bigger and stronger than the one that boosted Kakashi's chakra by 3folds [

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Once again,this is all relative to people like Choji and Kakashi.

Sasuke's chakra is far more powerful than theirs. The improvement would be far smaller.

Edit: I'm aware that the recent boost everyone got would make Kakashi something like ~5x stronger, but this simply doesn't apply to an Uchiha like Sasuke who has far more powerful chakra than the likes of Kakashi. How much the Kyuubi's chakra improved Sasuke is anybody's guess, but it certainly won't be as much as Kakashi or Choji.​

 

[silmarill]

We all know Sasuke could make a Susano'o with legs without Kurama Chakra. Only the Sasuke haters or Naruto fanboys try to use that as an excuse.

You are most likely right. But for now we can enjoy the uncertainty of u emo fappers.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Inb4 ballerjordan

 

[Kurama2012]

i dont believe sasuke needs the fox chakra for a susanoo with legs but the fox chakra will make the susanoo stronger than it would normally be

 

[adeshina365]

i dont believe sasuke needs the fox chakra for a susanoo with legs but the fox chakra will make the susanoo stronger than it would normally be

Agreed, but the Kyuubi's chakra aren't going to make as big of an impact on Sasuke compared to someone like Kakashi.

 

[Saikyokami]

Show me where someone said this p.p I'll slap dem around a few times.

 

[Cursed Prince]

The Kyuuvi chakra will power Sasuke up... however it wont help him stabilize. You could argue it could make his susanoo bigger, but it wouldnt make him be able to stabilize it and give him legs.

 

[H a n]

If Sasuke ran out of chakra faster then Itachi in their fight, it don't look like he got much to me. I say Kurama chakra helped him and if that didn't help with the growing of the legs, it was Naruto flashback hyping the emotion to do so. Just like when Sasuke gained his sharingan in the Haku fight.

 

[adeshina365]

The Kyuuvi chakra will power Sasuke up... however it wont help him stabilize. You could argue it could make his susanoo bigger, but it wouldnt make him be able to stabilize it and give him legs.

I haven't said otherwise...

I'm just clarifying the fact that it won't help Sasuke nearly as much as it would help the likes of Kakashi.

 

[Kurama2012]

Agreed, but the Kyuubi's chakra aren't going to make as big of an impact on Sasuke compared to someone like Kakashi.

yes it will this is the fox's chakra not some fodders chakra being passed around. the fox's chakra will give sasukes jutsu a lot more destructive power if you deny this then you clearly underestimate the power of kuramas chakra

 

[adeshina365]

If Sasuke ran out of chakra faster then Itachi in their fight, it don't look like he got much to me. I say Kurama chakra helped him and if that didn't help with the growing of the legs, it was Naruto flashback hyping the emotion to do so. Just like when Sasuke gained his sharingan in the Haku fight.

EMS Sasuke has far more chakra than Hebi Sasuke. He was able to match the chakra output of a Chou Futon: Rasenshuriken and still have plenty in the tank. (note: Viz translation says the same thing)

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[Avinash012]

Once again,this is all relative to people like Choji and Kakashi.

Sasuke's chakra is far more powerful than theirs. The improvement would be far smaller.

Edit: I'm aware that the recent boost everyone got would make Kakashi something like ~5x stronger, but this simply doesn't apply to an Uchiha like Sasuke who has far more powerful chakra than the likes of Kakashi. How much the Kyuubi's chakra improved Sasuke is anybody's guess, but it certainly won't be as much as Kakashi or Choji.​

U r completly Wrong ..Sasuke's chakra is not stronger than Kyubi's ..His Evil feelings are grater than Kyubi that y Kyubi mentioned that Sasuke's chakra is more sinister than Kyubi's. ..
Naruto's chakra is also strong Enough to Suppress Kyubi's chakra that dosen't mean that Naruto can't get a boost from Kyubi...
Kyubi's chakra > Sasuke's chakra unless u provide a scan where Sasuke's chakra can boost the power of a weak shinobi and and tank a TBB from Juubi...

OT: Sasuke Obviously got a Boost from Naruto's chakra but I dnt think Sasuke pulled Susanoo with legs Bcoz of that chakra ...Sasuke can use than Sasanoo even without Naruto's chakra

 

[adeshina365]

yes it will this is the fox's chakra not some fodders chakra being passed around. the fox's chakra will give sasukes jutsu a lot more destructive power if you deny this then you clearly underestimate the power of kuramas chakra

What are you even saying?

I've not said that the Kyuubi's chakra won't help Sasuke, just that they won't help Sasuke as much as other ninja (ala Kakashi) because as an Uchiha (especially one with an EMS) his chakras are already far more powerful than your average shinobi.
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U r completly Wrong ..Sasuke's chakra is not stronger than Kyubi's ..His Evil feelings are grater than Kyubi that y Kyubi mentioned that Sasuke's chakra is more sinister than Kyubi's. ..
Naruto's chakra is also strong Enough to Suppress Kyubi's chakra that dosen't mean that Naruto can't get a boost from Kyubi...
Kyubi's chakra > Sasuke's chakra unless u provide a scan where Sasuke's chakra can boost the power of a weak shinobi and and tank a TBB from Juubi...

OT: Sasuke Obviously got a Boost from Naruto's chakra but I dnt think Sasuke pulled Susanoo with legs Bcoz of that chakra ...Sasuke can use than Sasanoo even without Naruto's chakra

I'm not saying that Sasuke has more powerful chakra than the Kyuubi....

I'm stating that as an Uchiha (especially one with an EMS), his chakras are going to be far more powerful than the likes of Kakashi, and as such, the power delta between the Kyuubi's chakra and his own are smaller. Therefore, the relative improvement he'll obtain from the Kyuubi's chakra will be smaller.

This doesn't mean that Sasuke didn't get a boost from the Kyuubi's chakra, he did. No where in my post do I state otherwise.​

 

[warpathixclan]

why are fanboys so stupid and blind? what happened to all the fanboys saying if sasuke had kurama chakra he would rape the jubi.. he gets it, and his susano becomes as big as narutos bm yin kurama and everyone tries to downplay it? hahaha idiots, if you look at sasuke riding his snake summon, compare narutos kurama manifested to the snake summon that is without kyubi chakra...now look at sasukes susano, it is incredibly huge and totaly caught naruto by suprise... its obvious because susano is much larger now.... common guys its kyubi chakra its op

 

[Chīkara]

We all know sasuke solos the NV mid diff.

 

[Crossroads]

We all know sasuke solos the NV mid diff.

If the NV consists solely of Sakura and Zetsu clones, sure.

I bet you're going to take that seriously.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It's debatable that it's not as significant a buff as others, but only fanboys would claim that it didn't enhance the susanoo's power. Also, Kakashi talked about the 3X increase referring to the time Kurama's chakra was transferred to him without a cloak. When he got a cloak, he said it got much stronger. Then they got 1-tail cloaks which is what Sasuke has. So in reality, it probably still is a comparable to X3 increase even if you're right.

You should also know that the 9 tails chakra 100X Kakashi's, so actual chakra amounts that the Uchiha have might not be a significant enough to reduce not be increased by a similar amount.