Misconception: Kakashi has more jutsus than Hiruzen

[Rainbow Dash]

Hiruzen doesn't even have the advantage to have Sharingan which has a memory capacity. Sharingan automatically remember the characteristic of every ninjutsu, taijutsu or genjutsu once they are seen

Hiruzen trained for 50+ years before he retired. That's long enough to learn 1000 jutsu.

and no, there still isn't real proof that Sharingan memorizes every jutsu he copies. I can vouch for simple ones like Kirigakure no Jutsu, which only takes 1 hand sign. But I highly doubt he memorized Water Dragon in an instant.

 

[Naoya Minato]

No way Kakashi knows more jutsu then Hiruzen , Hiruzen on one scale was known to have over 1000 genjutsu of bat that isn't including Ninjutus or Taijutsu

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

There is one trustworthy manga site I always trust. And their translation of the page is:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Then again, I don't have any evidence that this is the correct translation.

 

[iSpeak]

Strange in another version, it's as if, Ebisu was only talking about the requirement you need to be a Hokage, so not Hiruzen especially and he wasn't talking about illusions but skills:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

But meh, if it's true, then my bad then

Yeh im pretty sure they were incorrect translations, this is the Viz one

 

[Bogard]

Hiruzen trained for 50+ years before he retired. That's long enough to learn 1000 jutsu.

and no, there still isn't real proof that Sharingan memorizes every jutsu he copies. I can vouch for simple ones like Kirigakure no Jutsu, which only takes 1 hand sign. But I highly doubt he memorized Water Dragon in an instant.

How do you know he trained 50years before he retired? We don't know. Kakashi is 30yo himself and has the Sharingan since 17 years. Like i've said in OP, the time it takes for Hiruzen to learn a jutsu(if it takes 3years for example), Kakashi can learn it in an instant. So his capacitiy in learning a jutsu is greater than Hiruzen's even if he is younger. The time Hiruzen learns a second jutsu, it will take 6years, the time he learns a third jutsu, it could take 9years, etc when Kakashi would have already learnt the 3of them in 2seconds

Concerning the Sharingan memory capacity there are plenty of examples. Sasuke remembered the moment Kakashi used Fuja Hoin on him just like that, Kakashi has shown to be able to use Hiruzen's doryouheki against Pain(and it's a copied jutsu), like he did it again against Obito. He has shown to be able to use Doton hiding mole in plenty of occasions(another copied jutsu), he has shown the suiton suijinheki in another occasion and it also takes a fair amount of handseals. Uchiha police said that for a Sharingan user it's easy to replicate someone's hand-writing once they are seen, etc

 

[Owarij]

The viz scan says he has 1000 jutsu alone.. much less tai and gen..
Did you see blaze's threads? of the amount of scrolls in his office? if he did learn all those jutsu , he easily exceeds 1000..
The senju clan were even known as the clan of 1000 skills..

 

[Horus]

I somewhat agree, but kakashi copied the jutsu's, but it doesnt mean he could master it
but then again in the manga, copy=know how to use

 

[Aertes]

Hiruzen trained for 50+ years before he retired. That's long enough to learn 1000 jutsu.

and no, there still isn't real proof that Sharingan memorizes every jutsu he copies. I can vouch for simple ones like Kirigakure no Jutsu, which only takes 1 hand sign. But I highly doubt he memorized Water Dragon in an instant.

About the sharingan

Spoiler

The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them.

About the water dragon jutsu

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

seems instant to me.

 

[Sexy Steel]

You must be registered for see images

idk about zabuza but kakashi himself says he copied a thousand jutsu not over a thousand jutsu's.


but either way i believe hiruzen has more jutsu's he had the scroll, and i am sure there is way more than 1 thousand jutus's in konoha