Misconception Jiraiya vs Kisame

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I saw this last Night but was too tried to read itxd,so i woke up this morning to see this 1

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..I was about to leave when i saw that it was Blaze Release that created it,so i had to see it,i mean u hardy see his threads these days:shrug:...Even when i still disagree with the conclusions the points were too good & cunning,that i had to give a +rep...
So he said that No 1 has given any points to why jiraya wins than the statement of itachi & kisame & NagatoU_U,
So here is 1,in relation to his 1st thread.[Misconception; Jiraiya > Kisame and Jiraiya=/> Itachi]....The 2nd 1 would be later,i am kinda of busy[Ending the Kisame vs Jiraiya debate]U_U

The Next post below has these pointsU_U
Now before u read this have in mind the following..

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1.U can't call jiraya without taking about Naruto or MinatoU_U,neither can u call Minato without talking about sarutobi or can u call Naruto without mentioning Sasuke & u can't call sasuke without talking about ItachiU_U
Now Sarutobi,jiraya,minato are incomplete characters who have been hyped by kishi himself through other strong charactersU_U

So why am i saying this before i talk about jiraya,i want U all to have in mind that Itachi & kisame were still kids,at the prime of jiraya
1st Time we saw kisame & itachi & when they faced kakashi & jiraya their age were

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kisame=29
itachi=18
kakashi=27
Jiraya =51
If u know your math then u would know that Jiraya was an old man & we haven't even seen anything close to his Prime,while kisame & itachi were in their prime & very Young

During the attack on konoha itachi was 6

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At age 7, he graduated from the Ninja Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age eight, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, and became an ANBU Captain at age 13.

while kakashi was already 15

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who graduated from the Ninja Academy in a single year at the top of his class at the age of 5, and then becoming a chūnin a year later.

So why u all are reading know that all u have seen is an old man who is past his prime,fighting & still giving hell to ninjas who are in their Prime or are still Young...If u doubt this then u seriously don't understand that In age

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Jiraya>>Minato>>kisame>>kakashi>>>Itachi.

.So even when ppl are comparing Itachi to Kakashi they fail to see that itachi is more younger than kakashi & since they both have stamina problems Itachi has the upper hand because of the abilities he hadU_U,i mean it was sharingan Vs MS who would u expect to win in the Part 1..
U might say it doesn't matter but it does because no matter how strong u are,u will have the disadvantage when u are old,how u may ask? Many people think that if u give jiraya sasunoo or amatesori that he would win against Pain,No he won't because his body will not be able to take the strain & pressure of the effect of those Abilities But if it was given to him when he was at this youth then that would have helpedU_U
Now why i say this is to remove any thought of the jiraya u have seen now being compared to jiraya in his prime

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Another truth is that no one on NB can give an accurate picture of a Ninja's Prime,who has been given praise by kishi through other characters for his Prime or for when he was alive without it being shown by Kishi himselfU_U..

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Blaze ReleaseU_U

 

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Now this is a responds to Blaze Release

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thread so i will refer to it regularly..I advice that u go & read it before reading this one

Now jiraya was 51 when he came in contact with kisame who was 29 & itachi 18 at that time..

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They is no explanation & other than it is the truth,as to why a Ninja like kisame should say something that he doesn't believe to himself..Jiraya was not watching them & kisame was more loyal to itachi than even Nagato who was their leader at that time.so it can't be that kisame was testing itachi.U_U

Think about it,if u were a ninja who knew,even if it was an 80 % chance that u could beat jiraya & still live would,u down grade yourselfU_UThe answer is NO

Kisame was not saying that he could not fight or hold off jiraya ..what he meant was that If he was to fight jiraya he would battle with him & still give him a good share of damage but he would still die & jiraya would still be alive he then told itachi that he was sure that if itachi was to face jiraya that he,itachi could kill jiraya & still be alive..Only itachi understood what he meant that was why he told him that if they battled they will both die.

Now while Blaze Release gave a very good explanation of how people take a praise to be an inferiority,which i agree & just explained above,he gave a cunning explanation as to why itachi turn his back on jiraya,used his Tsukuyomi & left kisame to jiraya
Here is my reason as to why jiraya would allow itachi to do that to sasuke,take a look at the manga below

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Now removing the fact that jiraya might have know the truth about itachi..It is very clear that he knew that no matter what itachi did to sasuke he knew that itachi would not kill sasuke,why & how u may ask??:shrug:
because itachi did not kill him before,so a ninjas like jiraya even without the information of the truth of itachi knows that they is a reason why he would not kill sasuke & People might not have seen that jiraya was respecting a code during that period...remember that Naruto wanted to join the fight but sasuke told him that his was his fight & he should not interfere,this held jiraya back a little from doing anything

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Note the space between Itachi & Sasuke

Plus most importantly he knew that it was not sasuke that itachi or kisame was after but it was naruto that was why when Naruto went emotional & ran towards itachi that jiraya did that justu..

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Naruto was not a distaraction for jiraya to perform the justu Naruto was the reason he performed it.

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As u can see Naruto had already passed kisame & was going towards itachi,If jiraya wanted a distraction then he would have summoned a toad like this one

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Jiraya had more quick & powerful attack that he could have landed on kisame but he didn't he instead performed a justu that would hold anything inside it thereby killing 2 birds at once,how u may ask?
Not only did he stop Naruto from running towards itachi but he also took sasuke so that itachi would not take him & also holding the enemy in-fact he killed 4 birds at once..

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If Naruto was a distraction that means that kisame is dumb why u may ask :shrug:? because itachi can handle Naruto no doubt,if thats the case then why would kisame be distracted by Naruto who was running to his own death...I mean won't kisame leave the rat to run into the bag while he focused on the big fish jiraya...
The truth is that jiraya acted when he wanted,no one was holding him,he had no doubt,he knew kisame & itachi,
while some people were cunning to say that both kisame & itachi were drinking beer backing jiraya was briliantxd but can't fool me,kisame kept an eye on jiraya while itachi was facing sasuke,He turned his back doesn't mean he turned his attentionU_U

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If u think that kisame was just backing jiraya without watching out for his life then u are wrong,no ninja Not even Itachi or Nagato would back & remove their attention from any Ninja at the level of jirayaU_U

Kisame asked itachi and i quote ' why is a retreat necessary". Is this the words of somebody who was scared of the situation. He questioned itachi's motive. Kisame himself when the time came wasnt fazed by jiraiya at all. Anyway itachi gave him an excuse to which he believed;

Of-cause kisame was not fazed by jiraya.. every ninja has that same character of not showing his weak side,i mean do u expect kisame to say what he said before in front of jiraya :shrug:NO,He won'tU_U
I find this funny when It was the same kisame who was caring & paying attention to itachi's eyes,

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Now i find it contradicting that the same kisame that warn itachi about using his eyes would ask a stupid question as to why itachi was running:shrug:,& not to mention the fact that their plan was to remove Jiraya out of the equation,It was never their Plan to fight Jiraya & yet kisame is asking such a stupid question:shrug:

Now The question is if kisame was so sure of himself & was just playing around with his head when he said he couldn't take jiraya,then why did he not face jiraya while itachi stand & watch,which would divide jiraya's attention,itachi will have a chance to put Naruto under genjustu while jiraya is held by kisame,i mean if he was not be sarcastic about being a little bit tied about the 4tails,[which by the way is in the part 2 and not part 1]

I see no reason why he should run away with itachi,i mean itachi has a reason he was low on chakara but kisame did not do anything so why did he run:shrug:,he ran because their plan had fail,& since the person stronger than him & knew more of jiraya than him was running the guy had no choice but to follow..
Ask yourself this if u were kisame & u knew that u could go toe to toe & survive then why won't u

Now i didn't get what He was trying to say about the sannin,yes Hanzo gave them the Name Konoha's Sannin because they alone survived

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Now i don't know why some people say that hanzo defeated them because he did not,only him,himself decided to quit..orochimaro tsunada & jiraya did not ask for mercy,But people make it sound like they were begging which is a lie..Hanzo gave them the Name " Konoha's Sannin "but it was them that took it & turned it into something different.Note that neither of them had a summon but were still fighting,i mean doesn't that tell u something,Even without the summons they had the advantage of 3 against 1,Hanzo knew this that was why he stopped fighting,He knew that the 3 had a chance of beating him...Take note that all of them were not even as strong as they were in their 50's..So who every is saying that the saninins are were because of how the name came about is just lying to himself.
Plus i don't see how it relates to jiraya because in the 3 saninis ,i respect JIRAYA more why u may ask ? because jiraya Never accepted the Name or the decision by Hanzo.look below

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Jiraya Has his own title Toad Sage because of his signature toad summonings and his status as a Sage.Which is much better than Sannin.

In-fact I can't remember any of the sannin use the name.
So I laugh when people try to relate The sannin Name to Jiraya,who is in a different level than the rest because kisame or itachi did not think twice before down grading or attracting Orochimaro either did Nagato even see tsunada as a threat when he attacked konoha...But these same Ninjas have given praise to jiraya U_U

Hmm Took a while to finsh xd

 

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You already made this.

 

[F1N1X]

I will reply tomorrow,am off to bed xd

 

[F1N1X]

You already made this.

yep i did xd but my special guest was not onlinexd
plus it was not in the vs thread xd